Laughing at what exactly, your stupidity?
skynightblaze wrote:Since when did Ibn kathir become acceptable source for you?
See a kid like you don’t understand the very common logic, which is simply:
You use against the people the books they believe in, for example:
For me, you use the Quran against me because I only believe in the Quran
For the Jews, you use Al-Torah and Talmud against them
For the Christians, you use Al-Torah and 4 Gospels against them.
For Al-Mushrikoon from among the Muslims, you use the Quran and man made crap hadith against them because they believe in both
For the dump pum Kafirs like you who also believe in such man made rubbish books of hadith, you use the hadith against them.
Therefore dumby, I can use these rubbish books of sirah and hadith against you but you cannot use it against me because I reject all of them.
skynightblaze wrote:Are you sure you trust Ibn Kathir?
Absoutely not, but it seems you trust him. Got it dumby?
skynightblaze wrote: If yes then allow me please to bring in Ibn Kathir to demolish your religion.
Absolutely not and will be dismissed of course. I reject all ma made books of sirah, hadith, fiqh and sunnah.
skynightblaze wrote:You cant selectively pick from the sources that suit your agenda.
Of course I can, again, you believe in haidth, then it will be used against you, however I don’t believe in these man made rubbish, then you canot use it against me. Hahahahahaah, I got you, kid.
skynightblaze wrote:Its time to dismiss your first argument.
Let’s see how are you going to do it.
skynightblaze wrote:Now lets come to the main argument here…
b]Musim Bin Al-Hjaj said that a few people said that Bashar Bin Saeed said:
Fear Allah and memorise the hadith, as by Allah we sat with Abu Hurairah and he was transmitting hadith about the Messenger of Allah and Kaab Al-Ahbar. Then he goes and talks about it but I hear him making the haidth of the Messenger of Allah as to be from Kaab Al-Ahbar and the hadith of Kaab Al-Ahbar as to be from the Messenger of Allah.
In another story, the same was said about Abu Hurairah.
And Yazeed Bin Harun said:
I heard Shubbah saying, Abu Hurairah used to fabricate by saying what he heard from Kaab and the Messenger of Allah while not differentiating between them.
Ibn Asaakir also mentioned the same story
And Shubbah used to point to that in his hadith
skynightblaze wrote:Firstly as Centaur
You mean Cunteur?
I do not know who is that punk name Centaur.
skynightblaze wrote:pointed out establishing the fact that one of its narrator was corrupt doesn’t me an all the hadiths are corrupt. Secondly you are abundantly dumb enough to give me a break through. This one is easy to refute. Let me start now..
In the court system however, your court system that is, the western court system, hearsay is dismissed. And that is what I apply.
skynightblaze wrote:You refer to the book of Ibn Kathir to make your point.
Make a point against one who believes in such man made rubbish of books.
If you want to make a point against me, YOU MUST USE THE QURAN ONLY. Again, because I only believe in the Quran and nothing else’
skynightblaze wrote:If you trust Ibn Kathir
Not I don’t trust any punk of them. You however should trust him, unless you are the one who is not trusting him in this occasion.
skynightblaze wrote: on this then please give me the liberty to attack your man made book quran using Ibn Kathir.
Of course you cannot, this is because the man made books of Ibn Kathir means nothing to me, but it seems it means a lot to you and others, therefore only me who should have such liberty of throwing arguments at yous, and you need to refute it.
skynightblaze wrote: Also which hadith is this? is it sahih?
Don’t you even use such crap sahiih argument with me, we are talking about all man made books of hadith, sirah fiqh and sunnah, kid
skynightblaze wrote:Secondly a bum like you didn’t read the hadith properly. Read that you filthy arse…
The hadith starts with….
Me or you, kid?
skynightblaze wrote: Fear Allah and memorise the hadith
That is right kid, MEMORISE not WRITE
Hahahaha, dismiss your arse
skynightblaze wrote: If you trust the narrator on reliability of facts about Abu Huraira then you should also trust in what he said about the hadiths…
That should be you, not me, idiot.
skynightblaze wrote:If the hadiths arent required at all why did this fellow ask people to memorize hadiths?
I don’t know, his opinion I guess, but possibly to comply with the prophet command not to write anything he says but the Quran.
You have no argument kid, it is me who is cornering a hadith worshiper like you and you will have no way out unless you totally throw such rubbish in the rubbish bin and only concentrate on using Quran.
skynightblaze wrote:Doesn’t it mean that hadiths have an importance in the religion of islam?
Oral one that was inherited verbally and practised over the years like like how to pray or practical anything that explain an important issue in Quran, like what is the Middle Salat, then yes that is what is important, all other rubbish, like marrying aysha when she was 6 or likewiase such crap have to be dismissed because it is not orally and is not related to explaining Quran.
skynightblaze wrote:Let me summarize here again…
No, no, it is going to be a dismissal, parrot. Certainly you have no argument other than trying to convince me that I should accept hadith arguments because I am using them against a hadith worshipper like you
Again you confused idiot, YOU CANNOT USE HADITH OR ANY OF THOSE WRITTEN MATERIALS AGAINST ME BECAUSE I RJECT THEM ALL, you are only free to use the Quran against me.
skynightblaze wrote:IF we are accept these hadiths then you need to accept all the things that Ibn Kathir says and not just what suits your need and also you need to accept the fact that hadiths are an important part of islam because the same narrator while attacking Abu Huraira also specifies the importance of hadith as he asks people to memorize them…Its obvious if future people are to know the hadiths they have to be written down so there you go down the drain.
Note that I havent even bothered to go into deep to find out who this Shuba was and how much reliable he was.I just know abu bakhr never trusted this fellow.Without going into the details of the reliability of this source I have refuted your first argument. Whenever you make a valid point I will accept it but this is going to lead us nowhere because the sources that you and Cat bring up can hardly be classified as authentic so its really a cat and mouse game leading us no where.
Btw I am not here to defend Abu huraira. You may shove him up your arse. I specifically asked you why the hadiths showing muhammad in bad light are false. Please start refuting those hadiths instead of attacking Abu huraira. I repeat I am open to the thought that Abu Huraira could have narrated some of the hadiths incorrectly but I aint open to the thought that all the hadiths are a lie and especially the ones which show muhammad is negative light.