Will my brother kill me?

[coco]

I became an apostate around a year ago, maybe more. I came out to my parents around late spring early summer last year. At first it was a big shock etc. but it wasn't because I was going against Islam that was the problem, but the fact that I had become different from them. My mum believes in life after death and she said she wants to be with me after we die, even if it's in hell. Thus by me leaving Islam she thinks we won't be together in the hereafter. Both my parents are these so called 'apologetics' the precise rules of Islam aren't a big deal to them. So this made me really lucky compared to other apostates.

However as of late my younger brother is learning more about Islam, and has recently been enlightened to that oh-so-amazing hadith that claims death upon apostates. He made some threatening remarks while telling me about it but I just took it as a joke.

But now I'm beginning to wonder if it is really just a joke? I could never in my life imagine my brother killing me!!! But then I shouldn't underestimate the power of this religion. I'm scared that my brother will slowly turn into a fanatic and one day reason with himself that I need to die.

I want to know what anyone's opinion is of this actually happening...or am I just being paranoid in my state as an apostate of Islam?

[Wootah]

Western country or Islamic country?

Age of brother?

Yes, your life is at stake. Yes, you should be paranoid. Welcome to humanity.

[expozIslam]

Welcome to FFI coco.
I am not sure how old your brother is and how seriously he takes islam but i guess you need to lead him to analyse the Quran. Just sit with him and read Quran with him and ask questions. Create doubts in his mind and he will join you.

[coco]

Western country or Islamic country?

Age of brother?

Yes, your life is at stake. Yes, you should be paranoid. Welcome to humanity.

I'm not in an Islamic country because that would mean you can still connect to the internet in your grave, I think that's Richard Branson's next agenda though.

He's 15

Welcome to FFI coco.
I am not sure how old your brother is and how seriously he takes islam but i guess you need to lead him to analyse the Quran. Just sit with him and read Quran with him and ask questions. Create doubts in his mind and he will join you.

Thank You
Trust me I bring up all sorts of things and he won't budge, he even admitted that paedophilia is okay! The thing is I know he doesn't really think is okay, but since Mohammed did it he has to accept it. Lately he's been having lessons weekly with another muslim and I really don't know what he could be telling him. He's really smart but Islam made him into a coward, he won't let himself question anything because he fears he'll go to hell.

[Ram]

I became an apostate around a year ago, maybe more. I came out to my parents around late spring early summer last year. At first it was a big shock etc. but it wasn't because I was going against Islam that was the problem, but the fact that I had become different from them. My mum believes in life after death and she said she wants to be with me after we die, even if it's in hell. Thus by me leaving Islam she thinks we won't be together in the hereafter. Both my parents are these so called 'apologetics' the precise rules of Islam aren't a big deal to them. So this made me really lucky compared to other apostates.

However as of late my younger brother is learning more about Islam, and has recently been enlightened to that oh-so-amazing hadith that claims death upon apostates. He made some threatening remarks while telling me about it but I just took it as a joke.

But now I'm beginning to wonder if it is really just a joke? I could never in my life imagine my brother killing me!!! But then I shouldn't underestimate the power of this religion. I'm scared that my brother will slowly turn into a fanatic and one day reason with himself that I need to die.

I want to know what anyone's opinion is of this actually happening...or am I just being paranoid in my state as an apostate of Islam?

I read your next post and understand that you are living the West, I am glad about that. You are lucky if your parents are indeed understanding.

You are NOT paranoid. Please take your brother seriously. If he is studying Islam in a mosque, it is very likely that he is being influenced by Wahabis. Wahabis are the most intolerant Muslims. They sincerely believe that if they kill an apostate, they will go to heaven and enjoy ultimate and heavenly sex with 72 virgin houris. The houris are eternally virgins even if they have sex continuously. Also they will enjoy the sex with silky smooth skinned pearly boys. They will drink the most exquisite wine. It is amazing, the wine is not prohibited in heaven, only on the Earth.

I urge you to keep an eye on his behaviour and listen carefully to what he says. Monitor what kind of friends he has.

[Ram]

Coco - For Your Information

Muslim kills his sister for family honour.

OTTAWA - A man who killed his sister and her fiance because they brought dishonour on his family was sentenced to life in prison yesterday with no chance of parole for 25 years. Hasibullah Sadiqi, 23, said nothing after a jury of seven men and five women found him guilty of two counts of first-degree murder in the Sept. 19, 2006 gun slayings of his sister, Khatera Sadiqi, 20, and her fiance, Feroz Mangal, 23. The couple were shot to death while they sat in Khatera's car in the Elmvale Mall parking lot just before 1 a.m.

"Your crimes have shocked and bewildered the people of almost every community in the nation's capital," said Ontario Superior Court Justice Douglas Rutherford, who sentenced Sadiqi immediately following the verdict. "The forfeiture of your liberty for the rest of your life only seems just."
Members of Mangal's family, including three of his brothers, wept in the courtroom when the verdict was confirmed by Rutherford. Hameed Mangal told the court his family's lives have not been the same since the killings....

Over the course of the month-long trial, the jury heard from witnesses that Hasibullah Sadiqi was angered by the fact his sister had decided to get engaged to Mangal without seeking the permission of her father, from who she was estranged. Khatera had also begun living with Mangal and his family, another decision which witnesses said upset Hasibullah.

On the evening of Sept. 18, 2006, the couple went for dinner and to a movie with a group of friends that included Hasibullah. Khatera and Mangal drove Hasibullah to where his car was parked near the mall at the end of the evening. Before they could drive away, Hasibullah walked to his car, pulled a loaded Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum handgun from underneath the seat, walked back to Khatera's car and shot the couple at close range. Khatera died at the scene; Mangal was taken to hospital but died 10 days later when he was removed from life support.

In a victim impact statement read to the court by assistant Crown attorney Mark Moors, Khatera's mother, Nasima Fayaz wrote about how there remain unanswered questions despite the conclusion of the trial.

"The most compelling question, though, and always the most elusive, is why?" Fayaz wrote. "In this instance, why were two clean-living, law-abiding young people so shockingly removed from this world? Can anyone convincingly answer this question?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/05/musli ... anada.html

[Wootah]

I agree Ram. I hate instilling fear in people but you have to be fearful when you leave Islam.

[coco]

I don't know what to do. He won't listen to me at all, it's like he has some barrier that comes up when I talk about the Qur'an, he doesn't agree with most of it, but he will never question it.
I put a translated copy of the quran down hard on the table once and he grabbed my hand really hard and said some things. I said that he was acting crazy all because of a book! Then he said what would I do if he did that to one of the books in my room I like reading. I just started to laugh because I wouldn't care if someone put a book down on a table and it made a noise.

The thing that scares me most is that I used to be like this, frantically rushing over to kiss the quran if it fell on the floor! Believing that paedophilia is okay because girls in that time matured quicker, wearing the scarf trying to persuade my non-muslim friends to become muslims, the whole shabang. It was hard for me to leave, really hard and I was completely alone. I guess he's still young, when I was his age I couldn't dream of leaving.

[yeezevee]

I don't know what to do. He won't listen to me at all,

what happened dear coco ., How old is your younger brother? how old are you and what does he weigh?? Take some karate classes., Slap him and beat the hell of that kid until he gets good grades in school and stops talking nonsense about religions. Did he finish high school?

with best wishes
yeezevee

[Ram]

I don't know what to do. He won't listen to me at all, it's like he has some barrier that comes up when I talk about the Qur'an, he doesn't agree with most of it, but he will never question it. I put a translated copy of the quran down hard on the table once and he grabbed my hand really hard and said some things. I said that he was acting crazy all because of a book! Then he said what would I do if he did that to one of the books in my room I like reading. I just started to laugh because I wouldn't care if someone put a book down on a table and it made a noise.

coco, it is no use arguing with him and getting excited and criticize him and calling him crazy etc. If he is being "educated" in a mosque by some Wahabi, he will never agree with you. Besides, slamming the Quarn on the table will not achieve anything. Bear in mind that he is very young and very susceptible.

But there is something you can do. Ask him questions. Ask him to explain what he has learned about the Quran. One question will lead to another. If he cannot answer, "request" him to ask his imam or whoever. Ask him why does he believe that he will go to hell if he does not believe in the Quran. Does he have a proof? What proof? Ask him why does he believe into something because it is said in the Quran. If you put your mind to it, you'll come up hundreds of questions. But it will take a long time, but believe me it will work much better than getting angry with him.

[Turbopower]

Coco - For Your Information

Muslim kills his sister for family honour.

OTTAWA - A man who killed his sister and her fiance because they brought dishonour on his family was sentenced to life in prison yesterday with no chance of parole for 25 years. Hasibullah Sadiqi, 23, said nothing after a jury of seven men and five women found him guilty of two counts of first-degree murder in the Sept. 19, 2006 gun slayings of his sister, Khatera Sadiqi, 20, and her fiance, Feroz Mangal, 23. The couple were shot to death while they sat in Khatera's car in the Elmvale Mall parking lot just before 1 a.m.

"Your crimes have shocked and bewildered the people of almost every community in the nation's capital," said Ontario Superior Court Justice Douglas Rutherford, who sentenced Sadiqi immediately following the verdict. "The forfeiture of your liberty for the rest of your life only seems just."
Members of Mangal's family, including three of his brothers, wept in the courtroom when the verdict was confirmed by Rutherford. Hameed Mangal told the court his family's lives have not been the same since the killings....

Over the course of the month-long trial, the jury heard from witnesses that Hasibullah Sadiqi was angered by the fact his sister had decided to get engaged to Mangal without seeking the permission of her father, from who she was estranged. Khatera had also begun living with Mangal and his family, another decision which witnesses said upset Hasibullah.

On the evening of Sept. 18, 2006, the couple went for dinner and to a movie with a group of friends that included Hasibullah. Khatera and Mangal drove Hasibullah to where his car was parked near the mall at the end of the evening. Before they could drive away, Hasibullah walked to his car, pulled a loaded Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum handgun from underneath the seat, walked back to Khatera's car and shot the couple at close range. Khatera died at the scene; Mangal was taken to hospital but died 10 days later when he was removed from life support.

In a victim impact statement read to the court by assistant Crown attorney Mark Moors, Khatera's mother, Nasima Fayaz wrote about how there remain unanswered questions despite the conclusion of the trial.

"The most compelling question, though, and always the most elusive, is why?" Fayaz wrote. "In this instance, why were two clean-living, law-abiding young people so shockingly removed from this world? Can anyone convincingly answer this question?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/05/musli ... anada.html

Man kills his 5 childen and his wife

Watching his family's new, two-story home being built in 2001, Ervin Antonio Lupoe appeared to be riding a wave of hope and excitement. He dropped by each week to check the progress, one construction worker recalled.

But in what authorities believe was a gruesome burst of anger after he and his wife lost their jobs, the burly 40-year-old X-ray technician turned that same Wilmington home into a family tomb, officials said Tuesday.
Armed with a handgun, Lupoe evidently roamed room to room starting as early as Monday evening, fatally shooting his wife and five young children -- including two sets of twins.


Early Tuesday, Lupoe faxed a bitter, rambling two-page letter to a local television station blaming his employer for his actions. Though his wife and children were already dead, he also called the station threatening to kill his family, investigators believe. He followed this up with an incongruous call to police saying that he had returned home and that "my whole family has been shot."

Before police and firefighters arrived, he turned the weapon on himself, authorities believe.

Amid record job losses and economic distress for millions of families, the killings struck a chord.

"This was a financial- and job-related issue that led to the slayings," said Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Kenneth Garner. "It's a grisly scene."

But evidence was emerging Tuesday evening that the couple had been fired after an investigation into misconduct and had not been laid off as part of cost-cutting.

Kaiser Permanente confirmed in a statement that Lupoe and his wife, Ana, were recently terminated from employment at the health network's West Los Angeles Medical Center. Hospital officials declined to provide details, saying only that they were cooperating with investigators and "deeply saddened' by the deaths.

The letter received at KABC-TV shortly after 8 a.m. said Lupoe and his wife had made a suicide pact. It referred to an investigation into employment misrepresentation in connection with a child care issue. (The probe involved allegations of fraud, according to sources familiar with the inquiry, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the inquiry was ongoing.)

"So after a horrendous ordeal," the letter said, "my wife felt it better to end our lives, and why leave our children in someone's else's hands. . . ."

[Turbopower]

Oops that not a muslim
My bad!

[yeezevee]

Oops that not a muslim
My bad!

Well there lots of nut cases around the world., but you don't mean All Muslims are Nut cases, are you deaTurbopower ? Oops ., I didn't mean that..

[coco]

what happened dear coco ., How old is your younger brother? how old are you and what does he weigh?? Take some karate classes., Slap him and beat the hell of that kid until he gets good grades in school and stops talking nonsense about religions. Did he finish high school?

He's 15, I'm 19 but he's the same height as me and stronger. He gets really good grades.

But there is something you can do. Ask him questions.

I will try to do this, but when I do he say things like 'I don't talk to kafirs' etc.

There's an iron curtain around him, I think mostly he fears what happens after, when he finally accepts that Islam is not what he thinks it is. Right now Islam is the only way, like how it was with me.

[Ram]

Turbopower, what are you trying to prove? What kind of Islamic logic are you using? Please educate us. In one case, a Muslim man kills his sister because in his eyes she had dishonoured the family by choosing a man to marry without his and his father's consent - he did not care that the man was a Muslim also. In the other case, it is purely an emotional disconnect and a dire financial situation.

A Muslim is very sane and exactly knew why he had to kill his sister and her fiance. He killed for Islam, he killed because he was a Muslim. The other guy killed because he was insane. A very big difference.

[Wootah]

Coco, why did you become an apostate? Do you have a story to tell? Understanding your reasons might be the key to helping your brother.

[Ram]

But there is something you can do. Ask him questions.

I will try to do this, but when I do he say things like 'I don't talk to kafirs' etc. There's an iron curtain around him, I think mostly he fears what happens after, when he finally accepts that Islam is not what he thinks it is. Right now Islam is the only way, like how it was with me.

I know exactly what you mean. He is angry with you. Also, it is very likely that he is under tremendous pressure from his friends. It could be that he is afraid of what his friends want him to do? It is very difficult to engage in rational conversation with Muslims about religion. This has been my experience. Keep the lines of communication open. I am sure it will not be easy for you. I believe that you are on the right path.

[coco]

Coco, why did you become an apostate? Do you have a story to tell? Understanding your reasons might be the key to helping your brother.

That's what I thought, if I told him my reasons for leaving Islam he might find some connections. But he just thinks that I'm crazy and I let people influence me. I started a new college around the time I became an apostate and my brother thinks that the teachers are Jews who want to brainwash Muslim kids.

Thanks a lot for your help guys. I'll keep trying with him, but it's just 1 of me and 5 of them so it won't be easy.

[Turbopower]

Turbopower, what are you trying to prove? What kind of Islamic logic are you using? Please educate us. In one case, a Muslim man kills his sister because in his eyes she had dishonoured the family by choosing a man to marry without his and his father's consent - he did not care that the man was a Muslim also. In the other case, it is purely an emotional disconnect and a dire financial situation.

A Muslim is very sane and exactly knew why he had to kill his sister and her fiance. He killed for Islam, he killed because he was a Muslim. The other guy killed because he was insane. A very big difference.

In Islaam? Care to show us anything from the Quran that says killing your family members is justified?

[islamtillthedayidie]

In islam you are not alowed to kill. So if your brother decides to kill you he isnt exacly following islam. so stop making islam sound like a religion full of hate. After being on this website im seeing people showing islam as a religion of hate. when it is not and im really getting emotional over it.