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From the root s-m-d which has the following classical Arabic connotations:
--to endeavor, to reach or attain something
--to turn to, to need
--to direct oneself toward or aim toward something
--to set up, to erect something
--to remain unaffected, unchanged
--to be sublime, everlasting
See also: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/samad.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;What is believed to be equivalent to a third of the Quran is far from being a clear text. Sura 112, intended to delineate the heart of Islamic monotheism, has been a major source of mass confusion and embarrassment for Muslims. After all, if Allah is so concerned with wanting people to have an accurate and precise understanding of his nature then why didn’t he make this Sura clear? If the Quran is supposed to be clear Arabic, the standard of Arabic eloquence, then why does this particular Sura use words which left even Muslim scholars perplexed to the extent that they couldn’t even decipher the exact meaning in order to insure that their theology was sound?
In other words, even Muhammad’s companions and also the early commentators simply did not know what "Samad" means..... From Arabic sources, we learn that an idol of 'Ad was allegedly called samud, which brings us rather close to the environment of Muhammad... In view of this material, the suggestion may be made that as-samad in the Qur'an is a survival of an ancient Northwest Semitic religious term, which may no longer have been understood by Muhammad himself, nor by the old poets (if the sawahid should be genuine).
Muhammad Asad, a Muslim scholar wrote about As-Samad: ''It comprises the concepts of Primary Cause and eternal, independent Being,
combined with the idea that everything existing or conceivable goes back to Him as its source and is therefore, dependent on Him for
its beginning as well as for its continued existence."
Come on Muslims Don't hide and Answer Cat, seems clear according to the Quran Mohammed is ruled out as a prophet.The Cat wrote:A few days ago 'Q' came with his usual spamming, in order to avoid this question concerning the inheritance of prophethood,
which according to 29.27 belonged rightfully to the seed of Lot, Isaac and Jacob, without even slightly mentioning Ishmael.
Skenderbeg wrote:Come on Muslims Don't hide and Answer Cat, seems clear according to the Quran Mohammed is ruled out as a prophet.The Cat wrote:A few days ago 'Q' came with his usual spamming, in order to avoid this question concerning the inheritance of prophethood,
which according to 29.27 belonged rightfully to the seed of Lot, Isaac and Jacob, without even slightly mentioning Ishmael.
don't be silly, both these guys were generations apart so Muhammad can not be Abraham's grand son dear GrupoCupda. What all you can say is that they are genetically connected .. well we are all connected one way or other way down to the Monkeys...His seed meaning Abraham seed and prophet Mohamed was Abraham grand son
His seed meaning Abraham seed and prophet Mohamed was Abraham grand son
Hey moron if Muhammed was Abraham's grandson, then I guess you and I are brother and sister.GrupoCupda wrote:Skenderbeg wrote:Come on Muslims Don't hide and Answer Cat, seems clear according to the Quran Mohammed is ruled out as a prophet.The Cat wrote:A few days ago 'Q' came with his usual spamming, in order to avoid this question concerning the inheritance of prophethood,
which according to 29.27 belonged rightfully to the seed of Lot, Isaac and Jacob, without even slightly mentioning Ishmael.
You need to take classes in reading
29.27 (85th): And We bestowed on him (Lot) Isaac and Jacob, and We established the prophethood and the Scripture among his seed...
His seed meaning Abraham seed and prophet Mohamed was Abraham grand son
As a matter of fact only Yusuf Ali, as far as I know, included 'Abraham' and in brackets. We usually read 'him' instead. Romanized Arabic:It is most significant to find the Qur'an once again taking no issue with the Bible and we read (surah 29.27): And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and we granted him his reward in this life: and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous. Yusuf Ali's translation is not strictly correct. The text says that God placed the Nubuwwah and the Kitaab, the Prophethood and the Scripture, into Isaac's line, and in another place the Qur'an says that al-Nubuwwah, the Prophethood, was expressly given to the Children of Israel (Surah 45.16).
Sam Shamoun reports a testimony from Ibn al-Athir: ''The nature of the Islamic traditions regarding the Sacrifice suggests that those* Isaac was the only promised child of Abraham, a fact which the Quran agrees with (cf. Genesis 17:15-21; Surah 11:69-73, 37:112-113, 51:24-30). Ishmael was never a promised child.
* Isaac was conceived miraculously to a barren mother and a very aged father, with the Quran likewise agreeing (cf. Genesis 17:15-17, 18:9-15, 21:1-7; Galatians 4:28-29; Surah 11:69-73, 51:24-30). Ishmael was conceived normally without the need of any miraculous intervention.
The Cat wrote:The heart of the matter from 29.27 is that Allah is NOT bestowing prophethood to Ishmael at all. He's unnamed but Isaac and Jacob.
I didn't investigated the matter so far but it seems that Ishmael is hardly mentioned in the Koran,
Blah blah
if you think that way then Jews are not connected to Abraham eitheryeezevee wrote:GrupoCupdadon't be silly, both these guys were generations apart so Muhammad can not be Abraham's grand son dear GrupoCupda. What all you can say is that they are genetically connected .. well we are all connected one way or other way down to the Monkeys...His seed meaning Abraham seed and prophet Mohamed was Abraham grand son
manfred wrote:His seed meaning Abraham seed and prophet Mohamed was Abraham grand son![]()
Abraham was born around 2000 to 2100 BEFORE CHRIST and Mohammed was born around 570 AFTER CHRIST.
it was Mohammed who claimed that Ishmael was his forefather, but in fact the claim that Ishmael was the founding father of the Arabs comes from a Jewish text called the book of Jubilees,not part of the bible.
The real Ishmaelites assimilated with a number of other people and simply disappeared, died out as a tribe or nation. Their diluted blood line in found in many people of the Middle East today.
The term "Arab" here is a translation of the Hebrew Arvim referring to the Nabateans. The Nabateans were known as rather nasty pirates and bandits hanging round the Red sea area around Aqaba, and into the Arabian peninsula. They did not make an appearance untill about 580BC, so they cannot have a connection to Abraham at all. They do, however, seemt o have taken over at some point the city of Petra in Jordan.
It was Mohammed who, upon hearing the story of Ishmael, and possibly also the historically false apocryphal reference to Ishmaelites being Arabs, recognised the immense usefulness of this idea for his own purpose. Thus Ishmael was promoted from immigrant into Arab land into the father of all Arabs. This was Mohammed's way to write himself into the line of prophets. Jews and Christians laughed at him for being so silly, and he never foregave mockery,not even from his own family.
In short, the quranic Ishmael is a lie, from start to finish, and apart from the fact that he MAY have lived in land that later became Arab, Ishmael has no connection with Mohammed at all.
When ever someone gets personal and calling people names, it means they know that they cannot answer.I know that Abraham was not the father of prophet mohamed do not be silly I am not ignorant like you . You have no proof of what you said about Ishmeal . You are just lying
Manfred - even for my benefit I appreciate if you re-argue the case. New eyes are always watching often anonymously.manfred wrote:Stawman arguments now? Jews and Christians never worshiped any god called Allah. It's just that "God" in the bible was translated into Arabic into "Allah", by some, due to pressure from their Muslim "overlords".You actually saying that Jews and Arab christians did worship god by the name of Allah.
Look, this topic has been debated many times here, so I am getting tired to repeat things over and over. Carry on showing you behind to hubal five times a day, but leave the Jewish and Christian God out of it, He has nothing to do with Allah.
By the way, you do know that hubal also was knowns as the two horned Ba'al? Do you want to tell us about this two-horned prophet or yours?
Also,, tell us the origins of the rites of the hajj...
Ishmael is mentioned as a messenger because the Arab people were still to be taught of the Scriptures. Jews were already so given.AhmedBahgat wrote:Read this, you ignorant and confused bum:
And remember in the book Ismail; indeed, he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was a messenger, a prophet.
[Al Quran ; 19:54]
-> See you stupid, Ismael is mentioned as being A MESSENGER AND A NABI: وَكَانَ رَسُولًا نَبِيًّا, i.e. and he was a messenger, a prophet.
UNLIKE Ishaq and Yaqoub, they were only mentioned as NABI, and not messengers:
So when he withdrew from them and from what they worship other than Allah, We gave him Ishaq and Yaqoub, and each of them We made a prophet.
[Al Quran ; 19:49]
-> See dumby, what the verse says about both Ishaq and Yaqoub: وَكُلًّا جَعَلْنَا نَبِيًّا, i.e. and each of them We made a prophet.
I.e. from the perspective of Allah, Ismael has more of a mission as messenger and a prophet of Allah than both Ishaq and Yaqoub who were not messengers but were only prophets.
There were no Jews and no Judaism during time of Issac and Jacob . Jews are going to exist as race after Jacob and Judaism during Moses time . You do not even know basic thingcat said : Ishmael is mentioned as a messenger because the Arab people were still to be taught of the Scriptures. Jews were already so given.