Refuting Ali Sina's assertions on Obama

[Locke840]

I never thought I would have to write something like this. For years, I have always supported Ali Sina and his criticism on Islam. In fact, it was probably because of him that I was able to see Islam for what it was, and avoid becoming a Muslim myself (which at the time was certainly possible). As a result I do feel that I owe him much more than I can offer, so in one way this post here is inappropriate. On the other hand, I do feel that if Sina does continue his rhetoric against Obama, he would find himself losing more and more support, until finally, when Obama leaves office and turns out to be nothing more than another president, he would have lost his remaining credibility. This would be devastating to many anti-Islamists, while Islamists would see this as a victory. So, Ali Sina, don't see this as an attack. On the contrary, I consider myself doing you a favor.

I am going to analyze Ali Sina's article "Obama:The Mark of Human Stupidity", which I feel has gone too far. It can be found here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/obama ... -stupidity

Wiser people know that you cannot make deals with a bully through appeasement. This imbecile man has even closed the Persian broadcast of the Voice of America, allegedly to save $3,000,000 annually while spending $150,000,000 for his “coronation” and hundreds of thousands of dollars each week launching sumptuous feasts in the White House.

Not true. On the contrary, the Persian broadcast of VOA was alive and well during the first phases of the fraudulent elections in Iran:

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a- ... 26507.html

and its still active now:

http://www1.voanews.com/persian/news/

Frankly, I am of the opinion that Obama may have had a hand in the death of his Hawaiian grandmother. I got this gut feeling the moment he announced he is going to Hawaii to visit her because she was sick. The thought flashed in my mind that he is going to kill her because he feared she may not keep her mouth shut about the fact that he was not born in Hawaii. That was the time Michelle Obama said his grandmother is doing fine and recovering from her hip injury.

He could have poisoned her with mercury. But of course, there is no way to prove that now. Her body is cremated and the ashes are dispersed. One only can wonder why, when she had a grave lot in the cemetery reserved next to her husband. I cannot say he did it. All evidence is now burned. But I can say I would not dismiss this thought as impossible.

Hypotheticals are useless in trying to prove a matter. She could have been poisoned with mercury, and she also could have been killed by a random gamma ray burst from a star some light years away.

You must know that Obama visited his grandmother on the 21st of October in 2008:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008 ... andmaoct21

Keep in mind that she wasn't "recovering". The 85-year-old was in fact "gravely ill"with cancer, and was described to be in "serious condition". He didn't visit her to poison her. He visited her because it would probably be the last time he would see her. She died on November 3rd:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008 ... lyn-dunham

The delay it took the "poison" to succumb her (mercury can kill a human in a matter of hours or days) as well as the fact that there has been silence in relation to this issue proves that there was no poison at all. You, Ali Sina, made that up.

Then there is the mysterious death of Donald Young, who according to Larry Sinclair was an Obama gay lover. Is Sinclair telling the truth? How can we know? This requires investigation but who is going to do that?

They often say that at the most critical occasions, the nuts come out of the woodwork. This is no different. Obviously Larry Sinclair, like Anita Hill, is merely an attention seeker. This can be proven by the fact that he failed a polygraph test in this regard:

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/larry- ... amas-lover

He did, however, passed the drug accusations portion. But this isn't significant. Obama has already admitted this before.

So, why should we believe Sinclair about Donald Young.

To those who don’t know narcissism all this is so outlandish that it sounds like a conspiracy theory of the worst kind. In fact it would be if you accuse any other Amerian president of the things I accuse Obama. But once you know narcissism and come to accept that Obama is one, you’ll not discard anything. A narcissist is capable of all sorts of crimes. How many times have you heard a serial killer caught while his friends and neighbors express shock and say he looked so normal? Obama looks normal, but he is a mentally sick man. If he is a narcissist, and so far everything points to that assumption, this man is capable of any crime. Today you may insult me for telling these things about your beloved cult leader but tomorrow you will wonder how I knew all these things before most others. The truth is that anyone can see the truth about Obama if he learns about narcissism. This man is an open book.

You said yourself that inside each of us there is a narcissist. But you are right, Obama is a far greater narcissist than any of us. It's true, and the same goes for most politicians on Capitol Hill. The sheer ego that is necessary to deal with the stress, pressure, and responsibility in the federal government requires such an high view of oneself. JFK even once commented that "to be president, one has to look into the mirror, and tell himself that there is no one more suited for the job than himself, and believe it"

That three miser million dollars that Obama cut from Persian VoA was for Iranians their lifeline. It kept them informed about how their revolution was proceeding, which encouraged them to keep fighting to overthrow their ruthless dictators. All Iranians including me were glued to that television during the June demonstrations. People called from all over Iran to report the news and send imagers and videos. Obama cut the funding soon after Neda was killed.

Like I said before, Obama did not cut funding. If anything, the only reason he did not say anything (until the crackdown by the Iranian government, which he condemned) is because he felt doing so would allow the regime to pin the protests on the West, which would delegitimize the protests.

Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhnh8TyC ... re=related

Soon the Islamic regime will have the atomic bomb because Obama is too stupid and too inept to stop them. They will pass several of them to their terrorist allies, who will, through the porous borders of Mexico that Obama refuses to secure, transport them to USA. A nuclear bomb can be hidden in a suitcase. Once a hundred of them are in place in different major cities across America, one of them will be detonated and several millions of Americans will die. If you are lucky you will be among them. The survivors will have a much worse destiny.

This sounds like fearmongering to me. I don't think I need to say much, other than that this scenario is unlikely to happen. If the US doesn't respond, most likely Israel will, but keep in mind that there likelihood of this scenario is incredibily low.

Cultists don’t know they are cultists. But what are the signs? Anytime your love and devotion for someone grows to such an extent that you take offence if that person is criticized and are willing to attack and insult another person to defend your beloved hero you are a cultist. Your very first email to me gave me the clue that I am dealing with one. I receive plenty of angry emails like that from Muslims. I am dealing with cultists and cultic mentality all the time. I can spot a cultist when I see one. So go ahead and malign me all over the Internet. I do not expect anything different from a cultist.

What it seems you are trying to do here is that you know better because you used to belong to a cult and no longer, and that we don't understand any better, despite common sense to the contrary. Its not likely that every person who disagrees with you is a cultist. Personally, I disagree with Obama on a number of issues, and agree with him on other issues. Does that make me a cultist? For seeing the shades of gray?

I have said many times that we owe the present Islamic revivalism to Carter. Carter is also a stupid man, but unlike Obama he is not a narcissist. Carter has a conscience. He does not have a brain. Obama is an ignoramus with no conscience and no brain. He is a lot more dangerous.

This whole mess started with Carter. There is nothing more dangerous than having an idiot acting as the president of America. Obama is the biggest idiot that has ever set foot in the White House. The danger that this buffoon poses to the world is incalculable. We may reap the results in a decade from now, when the Iranian regime is gone and when Obama is gone, but the disaster that is set in motion cannot be averted.

Carter was naive rather than stupid. But this whole mess did not start with Carter. It started with Eisenhower. It started with Operation Ajax. It started when the US overthrew a democratically elected government and replaced it with a dictatorial Shahist government.

But we had suffered worse presidents. Martin Van Buren ignored the extermination of the Mormons ocurring in Missouri, just so that he might get its electoral vote. Andrew Jackson completely ignored a Supreme Court ruling, violated constitutional law, and sent thousands of Cherokees to their deaths. John Adams passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, which stifled free speech. Wilson passed a similar bill. Buchanan and Filmore, with their unprecedented incompetence, are easily ranked as some of the worst presidents in American history.
Then of course there are the criminals, such as Richard Nixon, whose crimes are probably so well known that there is no need to list them


Go ahead. Tell me I am a cultist. Tell me I am delusional. Tell me all the facts I cited are wrong. Tell me that my common sense has left me. The truth is, common sense has left you.

Come back to reality, Ali Sina.

As they say, "The Truth Shall Set You Free"

[charleslemartel]

Hello Locke,

Welcome. Were you active at answering-ffi?

Anyway, Ali Sina is no prophet and can prove to be wrong as anyone else. In fact, on this issue I do hope that he is proved wrong by time.

[Idesigner]

Dear Locke,


How are you going to refute Ali's argument?

If Obama is exposed , impeached and tried for treason sure we have to agree with Ali. If he survives the assault that is also proof positive that he is a crook and smart narcissist operative.

If Obama becomes one term failed president, then also Ali can take credit like' I told you so.' People found out who he is and rejected him.

If Obama becomes popular and rules for two terms that is also the proof that Narcissits Obama has fooled Americans but history will expose him after he leaves office.

Ali is not telling us why Obam is following many Bush policies . He has not reduced troop level in Iraq.He has not closed down Gitmo and he is for surge in nAfghanistan. May be that is also proof positive of opprtunism of narcissist guy. They are good at camofledging, double dealing.

See I can explain everything fro Ali's point of view.

Id.

[Locke840]

Yes, it is me, charlesmartel. Personally I wish we can go back to those good ol' days, when we were beating up on those guys like "rimon" and "Interested" left and right. Oh well. Im guessing the forum isn't up and running anymore

[charleslemartel]

Yes, it is me, charlesmartel. Personally I wish we can go back to those good ol' days, when we were beating up on those guys like "rimon" and "Interested" left and right. Oh well. Im guessing the forum isn't up and running anymore

Yes. I miss those days: so many Muslims to argue with

How are you doing these days? Were you active on some other forum?

[Locke840]

Meh, nothing much. I have been focusing much more on schoolwork, and put Islam on the back-burner. How have you been?

[Bob]

Hello Locke840

You write:

But we had suffered worse presidents. Martin Van Buren ignored the extermination of the Mormons ocurring in Missouri, just so that he might get its electoral vote. Andrew Jackson completely ignored a Supreme Court ruling, violated constitutional law, and sent thousands of Cherokees to their deaths. John Adams passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, which stifled free speech. Wilson passed a similar bill. Buchanan and Filmore, with their unprecedented incompetence, are easily ranked as some of the worst presidents in American history.
Then of course there are the criminals, such as Richard Nixon, whose crimes are probably so well known that there is no need to list them

You cannot have a rational argument based on historical references with Ali Sina. He is simply not intellectually equipped for the task. I doubt whether AS has ever heard of Buchanan or Filmore.

What I do find interesting is that AS sees Obama as a narcissistic cult leader like Adolph Hitler but AS never refers to the institutional checks and balances that act as a counterweight to abusive executive power in the USA. For AS there is the evil devious charismatic leader who hoodwinks the masses. That's all.

Ali Sina is a philistine when it comes to the history of the US Constitution, of political institutions and indeed of the history of political thought in the West. All he is capable of is rants against 'liberals'.

So I suggest that you don't waste your time my friend.

[The Cat]

Personally, I disagree with Obama on a number of issues, and agree with him on other issues. Does that make me a cultist? For seeing the shades of gray?

Anyone seeing things in 'shades of gray' is a worshiping cultist, or worst a liberal, according to Mr. Sina and Ann Coulter.

[Idesigner]

Ali blames Carter and democrats for causing shah's downfall and rise of Khomini and Mullahcracy in Iran.

Then it was small step in implicating Obama, being extension of everything evil gaining control of american establishment to destroy america and the whole world. As simple as that.

All Iranians blame Brits & America for all their ills since the days of coup which deposed Mossdegh.

Its Irano centric view.

[Skenderbeg]

I forgot to go and drink some Obama kool aid

[charleslemartel]

I don't see the point of this thread.

Locke is an old friend from the times before I appeared at FFI. His angst about something on which he differs with Ali Sina is fully understandable; Ali Sina has been an inspiration for many of us wrt Islam, and many of us have been inspired by him. As far as I know he has not claimed any prophethood or any infallibility for himself. He claims to be an ex-Muslim and I haven't seen him losing any debate on Islam against anyone.

Recently he has started talking about Obama. So what? Is he not free to hold his own opinion about the man? Many of you disagree with him about the great Obama, big deal!! May be he would prove to be wrong in his assessment of Obama, so what? Is he a prophet who is not supposed to be proven wrong? Is it really his fault that after we initially got impressed by him wrt Islam, we think that he must not fail?

"Ali Sina" is not his real name, but it is a symbol for fight against Islam. I don't see how his argument about aliens or Obama, even if wrong, discredit his arguments against Islam. I can see and understand where Locke is coming from. But I can't see where the old timers are coming from. Is it some sort of personal issue?

[mrcommonsensenow]

Go ahead. Tell me I am a cultist. Tell me I am delusional. Tell me all the facts I cited are wrong. Tell me that my common sense has left me. The truth is, common sense has left you.

Come back to reality, Ali Sina.

I’ve read many of Ali’s comments over the years and I think it’s extremely likely he suffers from PPD (Paranoid Personality Disorder).

PPD is characterized by at least 3 of the following:
1.excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2.tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
3.suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4.a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
5.recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6.tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7.preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.


However, this alone does not explain Ali’s obsessive disdain of Obama.

One possible explanation could come from the many studies that have linked homophobia with homosexual arousal in an effort to confirm the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. The conclusions of these studies are strongly validated by the seemingly endless list of prominent homophobes that have been caught engaging in homosexual acts.

Ali’s homophobia is well known to veteran FFI members so it’s very possible that his feelings towards Obama are being intensified by an internal struggle to repress homosexual desires.

They say love/lust is a form of temporary insanity. Well, Ali thinks; Obama is very stupid man (Juris Doctor (J.D.), magna cum laude-Harvard Law School), a granny serial killer, a homosexual (wishful thinking perhaps?), assassination would be too good for him (miaow!), and that he should be pilloried instead (Marquis de Sade would be proud).

Ali’s record of bizarre statements about Obama is very long but I think I’ve made my point.

Because his credibility is so important to FFI, he should be kept in a padded cybercell and only allowed to speak about Islam.

[Skenderbeg]

Ali Sina has committed the ultimate "unforgivable" sin, He criticized the Messiah Obama himself
How dear you Ali ? He is our Holy Prophet, We worship him and kiss the ground he walks on.
And you have the "nerve" to speak against him ? off with your head...

All Joking aside some of these idiot leftist are about as stupid as the most radical
Muslims who cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion from themselves.

Hail Obama we worship thee oh great one

The Kool-Aid is wearing off fast across the country though, OH. NO. Hurry more kool-Aid, fast

[Marie]

Ali Sina has committed the ultimate "unforgivable" sin, He criticized the Messiah Obama himself
How dear you Ali ? He is our Holy Prophet, We worship him and kiss the ground he walks on.
And you have the "nerve" to speak against him ? off with your head...

All Joking aside some of these idiot leftist are about as stupid as the most radical
Muslims who cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion from themselves.

Hail Obama we worship thee oh great one

The Kool-Aid is wearing off fast across the country though, OH. NO. Hurry more kool-Aid, fast

LOL.

[Ram]

Ali blames Carter and democrats for causing shah's downfall and rise of Khomini and Mullahcracy in Iran.

Shah was victim of his own making. The Shah was autocratic ruler installed by the US government. If he had tolerated the dissent and listened to the people, the Pahlevis would be still sitting on the Peacock throne. Americans are equally to be blamed for the takeover of Iran by Khomeini's hordes. It is Americans who could not accept democratically elected government of Mossadegh. What they got is far worse.

Then it was small step in implicating Obama, being extension of everything evil gaining control of american establishment to destroy america and the whole world. As simple as that.

Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

All Iranians blame Brits & America for all their ills since the days of coup which deposed Mossdegh. Its Irano centric view.

Iranians are right. It is Americans who destroyed democracy in Iran. USA is paying a very high price for that.

[Idesigner]

Ram:Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

Thats not how Ali views US elections.

To him it was no ordinary election and no ordinary politician. People dont realise that this blunder of electing Obma can engulf whole world, perhapes as bad as planet earth sucked up by blcak hole. Ofcourse black hole analogy is mine. Meaning US and world wil never recover from giving power to maglo, narcissist, diabolic, hitlerian , Mohmmedian dictator. Damage done by him dwarfs in compariosion to any other UD president.

[Skenderbeg]

Ram wrote.

Obama has been elected in a fair democratic election. He will be out of office in 2012 if people think that he is not good for the USA. If he is re-elected, he will out of office in 2016 permanently. There is no need to belly ache about him. He is not a dictator. It is evil for Ali Sina to accuse Obama of killing his grandmother.

I think we all know the Holy one was elected fairly in a free election. so what. We like to belly ache, it makes us feel good, you know the left belly ached against Bush none stop, and I don't remember people being all worked up over it, its part of living in a democracy, you know ? people do that.

when we have a king we will all bow down and worship him, until then a little bellying aching about our leaders
is not all that bad, or something to worry about.

now go drink your kool aid, and relax

[Skenderbeg]

Ali Sina has committed the ultimate "unforgivable" sin, He criticized the Messiah Obama himself
How dear you Ali ? He is our Holy Prophet, We worship him and kiss the ground he walks on.
And you have the "nerve" to speak against him ? off with your head...

All Joking aside some of these idiot leftist are about as stupid as the most radical
Muslims who cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion from themselves.

Hail Obama we worship thee oh great one

The Kool-Aid is wearing off fast across the country though, OH. NO. Hurry more kool-Aid, fast

LOL.

LOL

[Idesigner]

Ali Sina has committed the ultimate "unforgivable" sin, He criticized the Messiah Obama himself
How dear you Ali ? He is our Holy Prophet, We worship him and kiss the ground he walks on.
And you have the "nerve" to speak against him ? off with your head...

All Joking aside some of these idiot leftist are about as stupid as the most radical
Muslims who cannot tolerate anyone having a different opinion from themselves.

Hail Obama we worship thee oh great one

The Kool-Aid is wearing off fast across the country though, OH. NO. Hurry more kool-Aid, fast

LOL.

LOL

I say both sides need coolaid whether they are chrsto conspiracy beliver or leftist loonies who all get bent out of shape because of change in US leadership.

Better that coolid is from Jim Jones.

[Bob]

Ali Sina has committed the ultimate "unforgivable" sin, He criticized the Messiah Obama himself
How dear you Ali ? He is our Holy Prophet, We worship him and kiss the ground he walks on.
And you have the "nerve" to speak against him ? off with your head...

No Skenderbeg, Ali Sina hasn't criticized Obama. He has demonized him. He has writen here

Obama is Satan himself

There is a difference between rational criticism (see for example Planck's, Humanist's or even my own criticisms of Obama) and Ali Sina's attitude which is a form of pathological FASCINATION. Ali Sina is possessed by Obama.


Why does this matter? Because Ali Sina is the man who brands FFI. FFI loses its credibility (or, in marketing terms, suffers from brand dilution) because of Ali Sina's obsessive fascination with Obama which sidetracks viewers from Islam.

But I suppose there is a more comical side to all this. Listening to Britney Spears' views on Hegel's philosophy of history would be as amusing as reading Ali Sina's statements on the American political system.