Ali Sinas Challenge

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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asfar wrote:ALi SINA the hypocrite

Are you sure that your forefathers are not pedophile, because pedophilia was quite common at medieval times, so what you say about your ancestors.
Your pedophile prophet came to change the age of ignorance. didn't he? Then what the **** was he thinking when he decided to **** a 9 year old girl of his friend? So who is the hypocrite here? It is loud and clear you. If he were to do this today, he would be locked up in prison and made to sign a sexual offenders list.
asfar wrote: also let me know when GOD told you that prophet should not marry a young girl.
So, if an old man of 55 comes and asks for a girl of 6-9 from your family, you will have no objection in letting that man have that girl?
asfar wrote: and don't say we are human we feel it is bad to have sex with young girls,
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I didn't but now honestly answer my question above.
asfar wrote: then why people in favorite western counties doing sex in teenage,
Two teens trying experiment with their sexualality is one thing and A old man of 55 most excellent a 9 year old is pedophilia. Can' t you see the difference?
asfar wrote: and what your intellectual gov doing to stop teenage sex, rather than ignoring and encouraging.
Which goverment is encouragins teenage sex. You have a warped mind. Proving sex education is not the same thing as encouraging teenage sex you moron. Besides, when young muslimahs and muslims read the sexual excapades of Mohammad with not only his wives but also concubines, aren't you letting them read the islamic porn at a very young age.
“The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.”

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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you write lots of thing but didn't say when and where God said to Ali Sina about essential precondition for prophets.
also why not you consider your forefathers as pedophile,
How can you say that prophet Muhammad is evil if he was doing what are people do at that time. You can only say that he was not a people like us, no you can even say that he was not prophet, if you say you should have contact with GOD, because prophet hood is related with God,

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asfar wrote:you write lots of thing but didn't say when and where God said to Ali Sina about essential precondition for prophets.
When did God come and tell you the pre-conditions for prophets. On what basis do you believe in a book written by people in middle ages? The area that you are trying to get into will leave your islamic ego bruised and crushed.
asfar wrote: also why not you consider your forefathers as pedophile,
No one in my family or culture allowed old men to marry girls as young as 6. So, no, none of them were pedophiles. NOw go bonkers. There is no record of them ever being pedophiles but there are records of mohammad being a pedophile, a rapist, a war criminal and a leader of a mafia.
asfar wrote: How can you say that prophet Muhammad is evil if he was doing what are people do at that time.
He was a prophet and he did not marry Aisha because that was the custom. He married and f.cked Aisha because Allah told him(did you forget that). The divine came to him and told him to **** Aisha when the divine ought to have known than 1400 years later, Mohammad would be indicted as a pedophile and there is nothing that muslims can do to silence the vioce of millions ona technology that left the Mohammad's and his followers' sword useless. Shouldn't your allah doll have known better? but then Allah wasn't divine but an alter ego for mohammad who rushed to meet his boss's fantasies.
What was the point of Mohammad calling the pre-islamic era age of ifnorance if he was going to continue the same practices. Have you ever thought about that?
asfar wrote: Was
You can only say that he was not a people like us, no you can even say that he was not prophet,
Of course he was not like us. If he were, he would not have killed his own people, he would not have murdered 900 people in one day and he would not have had sex with the women of those he killed on the same day. he was a monster who would have been sent to electric chair.
asfar wrote: if you say you should have contact with GOD, because prophet hood is related with God,
Too many assumptions here. How do you konw God even exists? and what makes you think that God will try to send his sh!t to humans through a langauge this is as good as dead. Have you ever thought about why God has been an utter failure in having his religion reach just 20% of population in 1400 years. Mobile phones and internet have reached and been adopted by far more people in less than 5% of that time.
Can you try and understand why your Allah did not reveal the holy sh!t in a language that one day would become the international language for communication? Can you try and think why your Allah could not create a printer and then just print out the whole sh!t and made billions of copies to distribute among the masses so that there is no confusion and no question about his existence.
“The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.”

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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i am not supposed to talk to mental retarded person,
and your language show that you even f.cked your mom, probably you are from India, and we know that even just before 200 hundred years, Hindus were marrying young girls, and burring widows, killing and torturing low caste Hindus.

What Prophet Muhammad had done is absolutely perfect, but he was very liberal and soft towards kafirs, like you. I think that he would have killed all KAFIRS, so that liars like you didn't born.

If you kafirs stop hating Islam, our religion will become false. Do you If there are no historical prove about your forefathers then it didn't mean that they are very modern in outlook.

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asfar wrote:i am not supposed to talk to mental retarded person,
mentally retarded persons are way better than brain dead islamic zombies.
asfar wrote: and your language show that you even f.cked your mom,
I am not a muslim. Only muslims can fall to such low levels. The fact that you got this obnoxious idea means that you might have already done that or are planning to. keep up your muslimness.
asfar wrote: probably you are from India, and we know that even just before 200 hundred years, Hindus were marrying young girls, and burring widows, killing and torturing low caste Hindus.
Where i am from is immaterial and what hindus did 200 years back is meaningless. if your neighbour commits a murder, does that mean you can also commit one? So this fallacious arugment does not hold any merit. Hindus today are seen as progressive while as muslims the world over are seen as regressive and it is none but morons like you who are responsible for this.
Muslims killed 80-100 millions hindus and raped so many of women. probably you are from one of the families whose men were killed and whose women raped by muslim invaders. Go and check who your ancestors were.
asfar wrote: What Prophet Muhammad had done is absolutely perfect,
yes from a criminal perspective he did everything right and no wonder muslims are the worst of the human beings. Look at any prison stat in the world and muslims will be in there in far greater proportion to their population.
asfar wrote: but he was very liberal and soft towards kafirs, like you.
Wrong. You are a liar. Mohammad was a terrorist who had no mercy for anyone who criticized him and you are no different.
asfar wrote: I think that he would have killed all KAFIRS, so that liars like you didn't born.
Again, this shows how much damage islam has done to your brain. You fail to debate with facts and resort to insults but then again, you are a muslim. What better can be expected of you?
asfar wrote: If you kafirs stop hating Islam, our religion will become false.
Isam is not a religion. It is a death cult. Read this
asfar wrote: Do you If there are no historical prove about your forefathers then it didn't mean that they are very modern in outlook.
There is no proof to show they weren't. The fact that I am not a stupid religous bigot like you is proof enough of their progressive outlook. There is enough historical evidence and incidentally recorded by your own muslims to indict Mohammad for crimes ranging from cold blooded killings to assasination to war crimes to crimes against women and humanity. Deal with it.

and your muslim ways of trying to create ill will among forum members by(emailing them) instigating them against each other will not succeed. So you may as well stop doing it.
See how the death cult works in the words of wife of terrorist and a former terrorist
“The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false.”

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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ultimatetruth wrote:

expozIslam wrote:
What? you don't want us to consider books written in 9th and 10th century by devout muslims but you want us to consider a book written in 7th or 8th century? Your logic is awesome
Here goes your Quran to trash bin with this mathematical error.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/si" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... itance.htm



I think you should first try to learn maths before trying to find faults on others.

No fool admits that he is a fool instead think others are fools
Hey Ultimatetruth, Why dont you expain to us what your Koran says about the scenarios mentioned in the ffi article quoted by expozislam.

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Ali Sina’s Misconceptions Corrected

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ultimatetruth wrote:A Reply from Ali Sina

Hello ....,
Truth cannot be found. Albert Einstein, yes that Jew whom Muhammad called monkey and pig said: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." There is a world of wisdom in these words. You can never find the truth. All you can do is expose the lies and get closer to the truth. In my writings I am not teaching the ultimate truth. I am exposing the lies of Muhammad and Islam.

Ali
Hi Ali Sina

I think your above reply is not correct. On the one hand you say that "Truth cannot be found", and on the other hand you are in search of the truth to get closer to the truth. This means, in my opinion, a sort of admission on your part nevertheless that the truth is certainly there, that is why you make a lot of effort to repudiate untruth, so that you may get at the truth. I think you agree with me.

You are exposing, as you say, the untruth of Muhammad and Islam by your posts/writings. How you are sure that what you are writing is fully truth, yourself? May be the concepts you have derived from the sources of Quran/Islam/Muhammad is itself wrong. Will you like if I expose the untruth in your writings/posts here?

So, the absolute truth is there all the time and always.

Truth can be found out, in my opinion, certainly through the Messengers Prophets, who are selected for receiving it through Word of Revelation from the Creator - God Allah YHWH for revealing the Truth to the mankind.

Like in our times the Creator- God Allah YHWH has appointed the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 as a Successor/Caliph of Muhammad from amongst the followers of Muhammad to expound the truth of Quran/Islam/Muhammad. I will therefore expose the untruth in your postings/writing and your wrong concepts from the Quran and from the writings of the Promised Messiah with rational reasonable and logical arguments.

I neither challenge you nor accept your challenge. I will just expose your wrongs; without win or defeat basis; only to get at the truth.

Unlike as you have stated; truth is achievable and Muhammad did achieve it :

[10:94] And We assigned to the children of Israel an excellent abode, and We provided them with good things, and they differed not until there came to them the knowledge. Surely, thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that in which they differed.
[10:95] And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to thee, ask those who have been reading the Book before thee. Indeed the truth has come to thee from thy Lord; be not, therefore, of those who doubt.
[10:96] And be not thou of those who reject the Signs of Allah, or thou shalt be of the losers.
[10:97] Surely, those against whom the word of thy Lord has taken effect will not believe,
[10:98] Even if there come to them every Sign, till they see the grievous punishment.
[10:99] Why was there no other people, save the people of Jonah, who should have believed so that their belief would have profited them? When they believed, We removed from them the punishment of disgrace in the present life, and We gave them provision for a while.
[10:100] And if thy Lord had enforced His will, surely, all who are on the earth would have believed together. Wilt thou, then, force men to become believers?
[10:101] And no soul can believe except by the permission of Allah. And He makes His wrath descend on those who will not use their reason.
[10:102] Say, ‘Consider what is happening in the heavens and the earth.’ But Signs and Warners avail not a people who will not believe.
[10:103] What then do they expect save the like of the days of punishment suffered by those who passed away before them? Say, ‘Wait then, and I am with you among those who wait.’
[10:104] Then shall We save Our Messengers and those who believe. Thus does it always happen; it is incumbent on Us to save believers.

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Ali Sina’s quoting Albert Einstein is inappropriate

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A Reply from Ali Sina

Hello ....,
Truth cannot be found. Albert Einstein, yes that Jew whom Muhammad called monkey and pig said: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." There is a world of wisdom in these words. You can never find the truth. All you can do is expose the lies and get closer to the truth. In my writings I am not teaching the ultimate truth. I am exposing the lies of Muhammad and Islam.

Ali
Hi Ali Sina

It is not appropriate to quote a Scientist out of the faculty of Science in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms. Albert Einstein was a great Scientist and we acknowledge and respect him very much in Science. Yet, we would say that in the realm of Ethics, Morals, and Spirituality his words were and would be only an opinion and sometimes even a lay man’s opinion. Albert Einstein never claimed to be an expert in these realms as these are out of the Scientific Method where only things material are discussed.

Ali Sina should not have quoted Albert Einstein, in my opinion, as this does not make a relevant argument altogether.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

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Ali Sina quotes Quran out of context

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A Reply from Ali Sina

Hello ....,
Truth cannot be found. Albert Einstein, yes that Jew whom Muhammad called monkey and pig said: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." There is a world of wisdom in these words. You can never find the truth. All you can do is expose the lies and get closer to the truth. In my writings I am not teaching the ultimate truth. I am exposing the lies of Muhammad and Islam.

Ali

Hi Ali Sina

Quran says only about the hardened priestly Jews of the time of Jesus that they were only following the Law of Moses, in apparent and outward manner, not in the spirit of it. They were monkeys or imitators of teachings of Moses and pigs or dirty as they tried to kill the Messengers Prophets of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; though they could not kill them as they tried to kill Jesus a cursed death on the Cross; but God saved his life and Jesus migrated to India,


Jesus condemned the priestly Jews for this behavior:

Matthew 23:
1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men's shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them. 5 And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.
5 "Phylacteries"... that is, parchments, on which they wrote the ten commandments, and carried them on their foreheads before their eyes: which the Pharisees affected to wear broader than other men; so to seem more zealous for the law.
6 And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues, 7 And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi. 8 But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren. 9 And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters; for one is your master, Christ.
9 "Call none your father upon earth"... Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 23: 15,) and for our masters and teachers.
11 He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. 14 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment. 15 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
16 Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor. 17 Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor. 19 Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:
21 And whosoever shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth in it: 22 And he that sweareth by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. 23 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. 24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. 27 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness. 28 So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just, 30 And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
29 "Build the sepulchres"... This is not blamed, as if it were in itself evil to build or adorn the monuments of the prophets: but the hypocrisy of the Pharisees is here taxed; who, whilst they pretended to honour the memory of the prophets, were persecuting even unto death the Lord of the prophets.
31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? 34 Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
35 "That upon you may come"... Not that they should suffer more than their own sins justly deserved; but that the justice of God should now fall upon them with such a final vengeance, once for all, as might comprise all the different kinds of judgments and punishments, that had at any time before been inflicted for the shedding of just blood.
36 Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. 37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not? 38 Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. 39 For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

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So, calling the priestly class i.e. the scribes and the Pharisees of the time of Jesus who tried to kill Jesus but did not succeed, in symbolic terms, as monkeys and pigs is in line with Jesus who told them that they were serpents, generation of vipers likewise was correct.

This is not relevant to the ordinary Jews of our time.

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Ali Sina quotes Quran out of context

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A Reply from Ali Sina

Hello ....,
Truth cannot be found. Albert Einstein, yes that Jew whom Muhammad called monkey and pig said: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." There is a world of wisdom in these words. You can never find the truth. All you can do is expose the lies and get closer to the truth. In my writings I am not teaching the ultimate truth. I am exposing the lies of Muhammad and Islam.

Ali



Hi Ali Sina

Quran says only about the hardened priestly Jews of the time of Jesus that they were only following the Law of Moses, in apparent and outward manner, not in the spirit of it. They were monkeys or imitators of teachings of Moses and pigs or dirty as they tried to kill the Messengers Prophets of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; though they could not kill them as they tried to kill Jesus a cursed death on the Cross; but God saved his life and Jesus migrated to India,


Jesus condemned the priestly Jews for this behavior and called them hypocrites , serpents ,and vipers and what not please refer to Matthew 23:1-39

So, calling the priestly class i.e. the scribes and the Pharisees of the time of Jesus who tried to kill Jesus but did not succeed, in symbolic terms, as monkeys and pigs is in line with Jesus who told them that they were serpents, generation of vipers likewise was correct.

I quoted in the previous post from Jesus from the Bible and now I quote here from Quran to prove my point.

[2:63] Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.
[2:64] And remember the time when We took a covenant from you and raised high above you the Mount, saying: ‘Hold fast that which We have given you and bear in mind what is therein, that you may be saved.’
[2:65] Then you turned back thereafter; and had it not been for Allah’s grace towards you and His mercy, you would surely have been of the losers.
[2:66] And surely, you have known the end of those amongst you, who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. So We said to them: ‘Be ye apes, despised.’
[2:67] Thus We made it an example to those of its time and to those who came after it, and a lesson to those who fear God.

http://www.*you_got_to_be_kidding*/quran/search2/sh ... 2&verse=62" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It could be observed that here the real monkeys are not referred to but the priestly scholar class who are told to revert to the previous stage in evolution. The human beings as stated in the evolution were monkeys in the previous stage. It is symbolic here. it is certainly referred to the priestly class. in the same way Muhammad called the bad traditional scholars/mullahs in the end of the days or of today as monkeys and pigs.

This is not relevant to the ordinary Jews of our time.

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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paarsurrey posts 3 posts with
1). .....Hi Ali Sina.....I love Jesus and Mary...

2). .....Hi Ali Sina.....I love Jesus and Mary...

3), .....Hi Ali Sina.....I love Jesus and Mary...
... the realm of Ethics, Morals, and Spirituality his words were and would be only an opinion and sometimes even a lay man’s opinion. Albert Einstein never claimed to be an expert in these realms as these are out of the Scientific Method where only things material are discussed.
they all sound great and you seem to be tired dear paarsurrey .. so enjoy..

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Re: Ali Sina's Challenge

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Hi friends

I expected a response from Ali Sina. His grievance, in my opinion, is with the ex-sect he belonged to, I mean Shiaism. Why should he be against Quran/Islam/Muhammad for nothing ? I don't understand.

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908, everything has been explained very nicely.

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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A Reply from Ali Sina

Hello ....,
Truth cannot be found. Albert Einstein, yes that Jew whom Muhammad called monkey and pig said: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." There is a world of wisdom in these words. You can never find the truth. All you can do is expose the lies and get closer to the truth. In my writings I am not teaching the ultimate truth. I am exposing the lies of Muhammad and Islam.
Ali
Hi friends

I think Ali Sina is an errant man like me. He is an unfortunate man that just to get at the truth he has selected Muhammad to deride him.

I am a follower of Muhammad; who loved everybody and never derided anybody. I am an ordinary person; with no claim of piety and or scholarship. Ali Sina should not mind if, as he has explained in the above passage, I select him to expose his untruth to reach the truth.

This is without a win or lose position or to challenge or accepting the challenge.

If he had been a truthful and principled person; he would have selected all the Messengers of the Creator- God Allah YHWH, i.e. Krishna, Buddha, Moses, Jesus etc; so that he would have exposed them all together.

I respect Ali Sina though.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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Paarsurrey you are not a follower of Muhammed.

How do you deal with this verse in the Koran?

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said: And the line of the prophets is closed with me [Muslim] And: Before the Last Hour there will be great liars, so beware of them [Muslim]

Here is a pro-Islam site on the topic.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/last_prophet.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paarsurrey, how do you respond to the Ba'hai faith? Do you acknowledge the prophet that they have?

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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Wootah wrote:Paarsurrey you are not a follower of Muhammed.

How do you deal with this verse in the Koran?

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said: And the line of the prophets is closed with me [Muslim] And: Before the Last Hour there will be great liars, so beware of them [Muslim]

Here is a pro-Islam site on the topic.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/last_prophet.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hi friends

The Radical Mullahs just forget that the Seal of Prophets- Muhammad himself prophesized for the Second Coming- the Promised Messiah 1835-1908, the Imam Mahdi; whom he told to be a Prophet four times, see Muslim. So , we Ahmadis follow Muhammad.

It is not the Mullah who make one a Muslim.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
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Science is not a product of the Atheists

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Hi friends

I submit here an article from the wikipedia

Isaac Newton

Sir Isaac Newton FRS (4 January 1643 – 31 March 1727 [OS: 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727])[1] was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and theologian who is perceived and considered by a substantial number of scholars and the general public as one of the most influential men in history.[7] His 1687 publication of the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (usually called the Principia) is considered to be among the most influential books in the history of science, laying the groundwork for most of classical mechanics. In this work, Newton described universal gravitation and the three laws of motion which dominated the scientific view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. Newton showed that the motions of objects on Earth and of celestial bodies are governed by the same set of natural laws by demonstrating the consistency between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and his theory of gravitation, thus removing the last doubts about heliocentrism and advancing the scientific revolution.
Newton also built the first practical reflecting telescope[8] and developed a theory of colour based on the observation that a prism decomposes white light into the many colours that form the visible spectrum. He also formulated an empirical law of cooling and studied the speed of sound.
In mathematics, Newton shares the credit with Gottfried Leibniz for the development of the differential and integral calculus. He also demonstrated the generalised binomial theorem, developed the so-called "Newton's method" for approximating the zeroes of a function, and contributed to the study of power series.
Newton remains influential to scientists, as demonstrated by a 2005 survey of scientists and the general public in Britain's Royal Society asking who had the greater effect on the history of science, Newton or Albert Einstein. Newton was deemed to have made the greater overall contribution to science, although the two men were closer when it came to contributions to humanity.[9]
Newton was also highly religious, though an unorthodox Christian, writing more on Biblical hermeneutics than the natural science he is remembered for today.


After death
Fame
French mathematician Joseph-Louis Lagrange often said that Newton was the greatest genius who ever lived, and once added that he was also "the most fortunate, for we cannot find more than once a system of the world to establish."[52] English poet Alexander Pope was moved by Newton's accomplishments to write the famous epitaph:
Nature and nature's laws lay hid in night;
God said "Let Newton be" and all was light.
Newton himself was rather more modest of his own achievements, famously writing in a letter to Robert Hooke in February 1676:
If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.[53] [54]
Two writers think the above quote was an attack on Hooke (who was short and hunchbacked), rather than – or in addition to – a statement of modesty.[55][56] The two were in a dispute over optical discoveries at the time. The latter interpretation also fits with many of his other disputes over his discoveries, such as the question of who discovered calculus as discussed above.

In a later memoir, Newton wrote:
I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.[57]

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Science is not a product of the Atheists. Very religious people could be the Scientists. It is not fair and ethical for the Atheists Agnostics to pose as if they have monopoly on Science and the Scientific Method.

A Scientist is a Scientist in his own branch of knowledge; in other fields though his opinion would be respected, yet he could be just a layman.

Ali Sina to project Albert Einstein for an inerrant human being is a faulty endeavor.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
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Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source

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Hi friends

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source of Knowledge for humanity.

Professor Keith Moore, one of the world’s prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or 'Allah', because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah.

Keith L. Moore

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy (department of surgery), former Chair of anatomy from 1974 to 1984[1] and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He has also worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Moreover, he is a founding member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists (AACA). He was President of the AACA between 1989 and 1991[2]. He is most known for his textbooks on the subjects of anatomy and human embryology.

He has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide. The book is especially popular because of its 'blue boxes' - passages of text on blue background that relate the classical anatomy to real-world concepts in the diagnosis and treatment of human patients. The book has been translated into multiple languages. He also co-wrote (with professor Anne M. R. Agur) Essential Clinical Anatomy.

Awards
The American Association of Clinical Anatomists awarded Dr. Moore with their Honored Member Award (in 1994).[3][4] In 2007, the American Association of Anatomists awarded him with the first Henry Gray/Elsevier Distinguished Educator Award[5].

Embryology and the Qur'an

Moore has written on "references to embryology in the Qur'an", for instance, in an article for The Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16.


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I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks
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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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Keith L. Moore - If the guy really did what you think and didn't just lie to earn fat petro-dollars then what mosque did he attend? When did he do the Hajj? Did he pay Zakat? Did he fast? How does anyone research the miracles of the koran and not become a believer ....

Personally I think Muslims should be totally insulted that you felt you needed a white western guy to make you feel valid in the scientific miracles in the koran. If you are wondering Paarsurrey you should be feeling embarrassed with your last link.

Paarsurrey this thread awaits your attention: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5007" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2 prophets roughly the same time in history. Seems hard for me to understand maybe you can explain it?

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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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paarsurrey wrote:Moore has written on "references to embryology in the Qur'an", for instance, in an article for The Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16.
Hi Troll (paarsurrey),

Keith L. Moore

From WikiIslam
Embryologist Dr. Keith L Moore (the only embryologist quoted by Islamic sources) has admitted that the embryology in the holy Quran is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine as is evident in his recent books, such as: The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology by Keith L. Moore (Author), T. V. N. Persaud (Author), 7th edition, ISBN: 0721694128. Page 9 of the book shows without doubt that the Quran generally repeats the Greeks and the Hindus. Yet, Islamic websites insist to continue to quote him from the 1980s when he was financially patronized by the Saudi royal family and possibly even ignorant about the work of the Greeks or the content of ancient Hindu scriptures.

Also, J. Needham, a well known authority on the history of embryology and a reference cited in Keith Moore's books as well dismissed embryology in the holy Quran as merely "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda" (J. Needham, Cambridge, 2nd edition 1959, A History of Embryology, page 77).
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Re: Ali Sinas Challenge

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Gabriel says about that fool Dr. Keith L Moore
Embryologist Dr. Keith L Moore (the only embryologist quoted by Islamic sources) has admitted that the embryology in the holy Quran is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine as is evident in his recent books, such as: The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology by Keith L. Moore (Author), T. V. N. Persaud (Author), 7th edition, ISBN: 0721694128. Page 9 of the book shows without doubt that the Quran generally repeats the Greeks and the Hindus. Yet, Islamic websites insist to continue to quote him from the 1980s when he was financially patronized by the Saudi royal family and possibly even ignorant about the work of the Greeks or the content of ancient Hindu scriptures.
AbdulRahman uses a perfect word for such people as Dr. Keith L Moore viewtopic.php?p=82573#p82573" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that word fits to Keith Moore better those who sell their body for some Saudi petrodollars dear Gabriel

But I wonder whether Dr. Keith L Moore wrote any booklet or say anything against what he said in this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx434UE3SYw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKGurZJO3hM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -2

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