Hi friend CentaurCentaur wrote:
dear paar
would you mind explaining the context in which Allah made the earth flat.
There is no such verse in Quran which mentions that earth is flat.
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Hi friend CentaurCentaur wrote:
dear paar
would you mind explaining the context in which Allah made the earth flat.
Hi friend CentaurCentaur wrote:nonsense there are plenty of them
Remove the pegs (i.e mountains) and we will have a levelled plain. I guess Allah have never been to the savana or the great plains.Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)
And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.
Are you playing dumb?paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend CentaurCentaur wrote:nonsense there are plenty of them
Not even one that you could quote here for sure.
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There are plenty of other examples of the Koran getting the cosmology of the universe wrong again and again, and don't get me started on its inaccurate calendar system.YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Hi friend junkmasterjunkmaster wrote:
Q. 2:22
WHO made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof, and caused water to come down from the clouds and therewith brought forth fruits for your sustenance; so do not set up equals to ALLAH, while you know. Sher Ali
I told you all you need is 18.86 which incorrectly tells Muslims that the sun sets in a muddy spring, but you continue to ignore the evidence. Don't you find it strange that no one has ever found this place the Koran claims exist where the Sun sets in a muddy spring?paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend junkmasterjunkmaster wrote:
Q. 2:22
WHO made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof, and caused water to come down from the clouds and therewith brought forth fruits for your sustenance; so do not set up equals to ALLAH, while you know. Sher Ali
Please mention where the Quran says that earth is flat in the first quote mentioned in your post; it is neither there in the text of Quran in Arabic , nor its translation. Since it is your first quote , it should be your strongest one in your favour.
You are obviously mistaken my friend and also our friend Centaur. There is no such verse in Quran; it is only your misconception and misunderstanding that find it there.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
Thanks
Hi paarsurrey,paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend junkmaster
Please acknowledge that Quran does not mention that Earth is flat which is the topic of the thread.Then we will come to your next misunderstanding. Be a large hearted Atheists.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
Thanks
Hi friendsjunkmaster wrote:Hi paarsurrey,paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend junkmaster
Please acknowledge that Quran does not mention that Earth is flat which is the topic of the thread.Then we will come to your next misunderstanding. Be a large hearted Atheists.
Clearly you have no understanding of logic or deductive/inductive reasoning .
Hi brother paarsurrey,paarsurrey wrote:Hi friendsjunkmaster wrote:Hi paarsurrey,paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend junkmaster
Please acknowledge that Quran does not mention that Earth is flat which is the topic of the thread.Then we will come to your next misunderstanding. Be a large hearted Atheists.
Clearly you have no understanding of logic or deductive/inductive reasoning .
The fact is that Quranic Text in Arabic does not mention that Earth is flat; if somebody misunderstood it , it is his misunderstanding which should be corrected, as simple as that. Quran is not responsible for those who misunderstand a verse.
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You can't lay the blame of what the Quran says on the Christians.Yahya Snow wrote:Does the Quran Teach a Flat Earth? No!Some Chrisitans claim that the Muslims believe the earth to be flat because of Quran??
So it's cool for Mr. "Context" (Yahya Snow) here to use a terrible translation that nobody else uses, then claim that the closer translation (Y. Ali) is wrong- based on... what, personal preference?Despite the critic’s claims the Quran does not say the Earth is flat. The critic tries to use 71:19 from the Quran, however if we view the translation of the Quran we realise the Quran is saying nothing about a flat Earth but is talking about the expanse of the Earth, i.e. it is spread out.
71:19 And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse (Muhsin Khan and Al-Hilali translation).
After viewing the translation one would clearly see the critic to be in manifest error. The question is how the critic came to his /her inaccurate claim.
The critic utilizes another translation of the same verse (71:19); the translation the critic uses is the Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation as this translation uses the word “carpet”. The translation:
71: 19: “‘And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),
However, even this translation does not indicate a flat earth as in the brackets the meaning of the comparison to the carpet is clarified, it simply means “spread out”, hence the earth is spread out in the sense it is spacious for mankind to reside and move over.
What sort of carpet is rolled up into a ball-like shape?Dr Zakir Naik goes into further detail concerning this issue:
“The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.” (1)
What's the source of this Tafsir? Why is it basically just a repeat of the verse, and not an explanation?To further show the inaccuracy of the critic’s claim, the authoritative explanations (tafasir) of the Quran (e.g. tafsir of Ibn Abbas) has no mention of a flat earth and merely indicates to us that it refers to the expanse of the earth:
And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you) to lay and sleep on (2)
Where is this source from? This could have been a made-up quote.Further refutation of the critics (though further refutation is not required as the evidence already provided is sufficient) we can highlight early Muslim understanding from no less than Ibn Taymiyah who tells us all celestial bodies are round:
[That] celestial bodies are round (istidaaratul-aflaak) – as it is the statement of astronomers and mathematicians (ahlul-hay’ah wal-hisab) – it is [likewise] the statement of the scholars of the Muslims; as Abul-Hasan ibn al-Manaadi, Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm, Abul-Faraj ibn al-Jawzi and others have quoted: that the Muslim scholars are in agreement [that all celestial bodies are round]. (3)
Source again, please. Otherwise this is just so much hot air.The Earth is a celestial body so we realise Taymiyyah believed the earth to be round. Ibn Taymiyah informs us that he and other Muslims scholars view all celestial bodies to be round.
Where's the source? "5" is not a source.As we are speaking of the great ibn-Taymiyyah it is opportune to mention one of his admirers; Sheikh Bin baz (passed away in 1999). The reason why I mention this is because many critics use a forgery (a lie) falsely ascribing a quote to Sheikh Bin Baz which claims the earth to be flat. Bin Baz (before his death) denied this and even denounced it as “a lie” (5).
No, they "fail to mention it" because it's a red herring and has nothing to do with the flat earth issues in the Quran.Going back to their claim; the Quran (55:17) seems to indicate the earth is round by referring to two easts and two wests. The critics fail to mention this, I guess the truth and scholarly etiquette is of little concern to the critics
*GASP* The Torah has flat earth cosmology! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!However, ironically enough for the Christian critic, the Bible in Job 26:7 uses a similar term; ‘spreads out’ when it concerns the northern (skies) (4).
Actually, no, it can't, because like I said: Most Christians aren't Biblical literalists. You Muslims, on the other hand, are to a man literalists with regards to the Quran.A disingenuous method (the same method the Christian critic employs to attack the Quran concerning verse 71:19) could also be employed by non-Christians to attack this verse of the Bible. This would be unscholarly and intellectually dishonest, the same applies to anybody who attacks the Quran with such a methodology, and hence the critics of the Quran concerning this verse are intellectually dishonest and unscholarly.
Zorasata_Russ was debating with a Muslim. The Muslim couldn't read Arabic or he forgot to read the Tafsir that he used to reply Zorasta_RUSS' s argument . The Tafsir was an interpretation of the verse 88:20. Here it is.Zorasata_Russ wrote:وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ
And this is what the verse sounds like in Arabic.
Wa-ila al-ardi kayfa sutihat
Wa-ila = and to
al-ardi = the earth
kayfa = how
sutihat = it has been flattened
سَطَّحَ = سَطَحَ = بَسَطَ
outspread , unfold , unroll , roll , lengthen , level , range , pave , pervade , circulate , grade , reach , even , level off , spread out , prostrate , plane , outstretch
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The Tafsir by Tabari is difficult to translate but the relevant part of it means that the earth is a flat mountain on top of the equator. You will never find an English translation of the Tafsir by Tabari on verse 88:20 from any Islamic website.this is the interpretation of the verse 88: 20 by Tabari
وَقَوْله : { وَإِلَى الْأَرْض كَيْف سُطِحَتْ } يَقُول : وَإِلَى الْأَرْض كَيْف بُسِطَتْ , يُقَال : جَبَل مُسَطَّح : إِذَا كَانَ فِي أَعْلَاهُ اِسْتِوَاء . وَبِنَحْوِ الَّذِي قُلْنَا فِي ذَلِكَ قَالَ أَهْل التَّأْوِيل . ذِكْر مَنْ قَالَ ذَلِكَ : 28703 - حَدَّثَنَا بِشْر , قَالَ : ثَنَا يَزِيد , قَالَ : ثَنَا سَعِيد , عَنْ قَتَادَة { وَإِلَى الْأَرْض كَيْف سُطِحَتْ } : أَيْ بُسِطَتْ , يَقُول : أَلَيْسَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ هَذَا بِقَادِرٍ عَلَى أَنْ يَخْلُق مَا أَرَادَ فِي الْجَنَّة
I will not answer your red herring question because it is irrelevant to the topic at hand and merely another diversion on your part to avoid answering our valid questions.paarsurrey wrote:Hi friend junkmaster
I would like to ask you a little question. Who and when the Atheists started believing that the Earth is round? Please name the person also.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
Thanks