65:4, The Quran does not allow sex with immature Girls!

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sum wrote:Hello Debunker and AhmedBahgat

Do you think that Allah could have made his guidance on this matter much clearer and so avoid all doubt as to what he means?

sum

It is clear for the true Muslims

for the rest, not much is going to happen, just hell fuel

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Hello AhmedBahgat

Can you explain to us how the true muslim brain functions in a different way to the non-muslim brain? How are true muslims able to see what the non-muslims can not? Isn`t this a case of "The King`s clothes" all over again? You are simply seeing what you want to see.

I think that Islam has programmed your brain. Your thinking is limited by your programming and you have become an Islamic dumb terminal without independent function. Being in IT, you should understand this.

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sum wrote:Hello AhmedBahgat

Can you explain to us how the true muslim brain functions in a different way to the non-muslim brain? How are true muslims able to see what the non-muslims can not? Isn`t this a case of "The King`s clothes" all over again? You are simply seeing what you want to see.

I think that Islam has programmed your brain. Your thinking is limited by your programming and you have become an Islamic dumb terminal without independent function. Being in IT, you should understand this.

sum
Holy crap doccy

do you see a neurologist me or somthin, you must be drunk or your brain must be a kafir non functional brain
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You didn't answer the question. How is the Muslim brain different from the non-Muslim brain.

Seriously, I do want to know.

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crazymonkie_ wrote:You didn't answer the question. How is the Muslim brain different from the non-Muslim brain.

Seriously, I do want to know.
I guess the non Muslims brains is contained in a head that you might call, PinHead or BoofHead

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Still didn't answer the question.

What's the difference between Muslim and non-Muslim brains?

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AhmedBahgat wrote:
sum wrote:Hello Debunker and AhmedBahgat

Do you think that Allah could have made his guidance on this matter much clearer and so avoid all doubt as to what he means?

sum

It is clear for the true Muslims
And there is no way to judge who is the true Muslim, isn't it? Even if Muslims focus only on Quran while rejecting all the tafsirs and Hadith, they will still differ about the meanings of the verses. So how to know (I am asking about Muslims only) if what YOU understand is what Allah intended to tell you and not what Debunker understands?
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crazymonkie_ wrote:Still didn't answer the question.

What's the difference between Muslim and non-Muslim brains?
Perhaps the real answer lies in how memory works. Whatever we see or hear or experience right since our birth keeps getting recorded in the brain just like the recordings of a movie camera. When we try to recall some event or information, electrical impulses are sent to the area of the brain which contains the information. If some memory is not considered important by the subconscious, the path to its recording area is not well defined. Probably that is why, we have to repeat some nonsensical information like mathematical formulae (or Quran :lol:) again and again to compel our subconscious to realize that the information is important enough to be recalled and hence the path of the electrical impulses to the recording area should be well defined.

The path to the clusters of neurons where Quran is recorded becomes so well-etched that other parts stop functioning properly. So no matter what they try to think, the impulses are almost always sent via the already etched channels to the areas where Quran is recorded in the brain. Probably that is why their thinking abilities appear to be impaired.
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crazymonkie_ wrote:Still didn't answer the question.

What's the difference between Muslim and non-Muslim brains?

You tell me, punk

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There isn't any difference, you silly silly man.

But you said there was. We need to know what makes the difference to you.

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crazymonkie_ wrote:There isn't any difference, you silly silly man.

But you said there was. We need to know what makes the difference to you.

Lol, punk

Well I said there is a difference in the head containing the brain

the kafir heads are called PinHeads or BoofHeads

Did you get it, DickHead?

Oops, I forgot to tell you that the heads of the Pinheads Kafirs are also called Dickheads

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That's not an explanation. That's just calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a my dear.

Anyone can do that. You don't need a belief in any god to do that.

And what's this 'difference in the head containing the brain?' Man, I just saw the goalposts shift.

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Debunker seems to have lost interest, his position (like that of AB, I presume) is that al-laa-ee Lam Yahdina in 65:4 covers cases of secondary amenorrhea.

Well, how about this article from Reuter's Health? Compare the English and Arabic versions of it.

As one can clearly see, in referring to female athletes who were past the age of menarche but suffered from amenorrhea they wrote Laa Yahidna (لا يحضن) i.e. not menstruating, which is the obvious choice if an adult female stops menstruating for any physiological reason. Menstruation is of course a cyclic process and as for the women whose menstrual cycle is suspended (due to stress, disease or malnutrition) it is logical to refer to them as al-laa-ee Laa Yahidna (اللائي لا يحضن), rather than al-laa-ee Lam Yahdina (اللائي لم يحضن), the latter being prepubescent girls who have never menstruated.
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Not to forget how Allah describes himself in the Koran:
لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

Lam Yalid Wa Lam Yulad

"Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten."

The use of Lam obviously negates the possibility that Allah conceived a child or was a child at any time in the past.
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Aksel Ankersen wrote:Debunker seems to have lost interest, his position (like that of AB, I presume) is that al-laa-ee Lam Yahdina in 65:4 covers cases of secondary amenorrhea.
I did not lose interest, I never do with my passionate work, however it seems that FFI cannot come with anything new, just the repetitive crap by some ignorant parrots who were formatted and programmed beyond repairs

Did not you notice that from all the refutations posted by me, which were very coherent and logical and well supported by the Quran, NONE HERE CONCEDED FOR EVEN ONE REFUTATION, this must say it all regarding how manipulated the goons in here are. That does not upset me the slightest, as for them are their deeds, and for me are mine, and quite the contrary their stubbornace confirms so many verses in the Quran.

Now you goons as expected opened this subject again which I slam dunked before so many times with so many goons, that was even before you have been a member in here, which is really sickening and retarded, but let me see what you have to add or parrot again:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:Well, how about this article from Reuter's Health? Compare the English and Arabic versions of it.
Tough luck pal, I have no time to read external links, what you need to do is simply extract from that article what is useful to your argument then we discuss it in here, so I hope what I am about to read below is your extract from that article.
Aksel Ankersen wrote:As one can clearly see, in referring to female athletes who were past the age of menarche but suffered from amenorrhea they wrote Laa Yahidna (لا يحضن) i.e. not menstruating, which is the obvious choice if an adult female stops menstruating for any physiological reason.
FUKIN WRONG

La denies past, present and possible future, so your argument must be dismissed in the ignorance bin, don't you know those who reached the menapose (i think that is what is called) are mentioned explicitly in the Quran and what we should do to them regading Idda?

See, if the Quran does not mention the women who are divorced between their periods, then we will never know what Idah should be for them

LAM denies the present or the NEAR past, FUKIN PERIOD

Why don't you concede and be a man?

Just for your knowledge too, pal, THERE IS NO OTHER DENIAL DEVICE IN ARABIC TO DENY THE PRESENT AND THE NEAR PAST EXCEPT LAM

So your crap must be bloody dismissed
Aksel Ankersen wrote: Menstruation is of course a cyclic process and as for the women whose menstrual cycle is suspended (due to stress, disease or malnutrition) it is logical to refer to them as al-laa-ee Laa Yahidna (اللائي لا يحضن), rather than al-laa-ee Lam Yahdina (اللائي لم يحضن), the latter being prepubescent girls who have never menstruated.[/color]
What a stupid argument

(اللائي لا يحضن) means those who NEVER HAD THE PERIOD IN THE PAST AND IN THE PRESENT AND POSSIBLE FUTURE, this is because the device LA

Here a simple example for a child who knows Arabic to comprehend:

If Person A asked Person B @ 10:00 AM

Did you eat breakfast?

Person B has no other fukin denial device BUT LAM to deny that he had his breakfast, so person B must reply as follow:

LAM AKUL AL-FITAR?

i fukin e

I did not eat my breakfast

Had person B answered as follow:

LA AKUL AL-FITAR?

It fukin means that Person B never had any breakfast in his life

that should bring us to anoth mother of all slams:

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@ aksel

As to why use "those who did not menstruate", the past tense negation is used to indicate women who weren't menstruating (when divorced). Oddly enough you're wondering why the present tense negation was not used (those who do not menstruate). Given that the verse is talking about a woman divorced, using the present tense negation can ONLY mean women who cannot menstruate by nature (as in little girls.)

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Aksel Ankersen wrote:Not to forget how Allah describes himself in the Koran:
لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

Lam Yalid Wa Lam Yulad

"Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten."

The use of Lam obviously negates the possibility that Allah conceived a child or was a child at any time in the past.
You ignorant, the Lam in here is masterly slected from the Supreme Who knows His words very well

I agree that La should be used

i.e.

La Yalid,

which means that Allah did not, does not, and will not beget

However the Lam was used to deny the near past by the confused idol woeshipper christians who SAID GOD BEGOT JESUS

i.e. Allah is saying

Lam Yalid

i.e. He did not beget (Jesus), an event in the time frame of Allah that must be very near past, in fact even the future with is considered past


for the second part of the verse where Lam is used, i.e. Lam Yolad, simply the La cannot be used technically, it will sound VERY ODD, check with any Arabic professor to confirm

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Dump paedoworshipper.
I know why it is ,Koran says Allah blew into some Pussy , and Later on Allah thinks thats what chrstians take as god with miryam.
Before intrepreting , NT is wriitten in Greek the language of the civilisation not in arabic the language of bedouins.

What does ‘μονογενης υιος’ mean?)
The word monogenes also appears elsewhere in the New Testament:

By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only [monogenes] son, even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.
—Hebrews 11:17-19 (NIV)

This time the NIV does not have a footnote with that only begotten as it does for John 3:16, but it's the same Greek word monogenes. To say Isaac was Abraham’s only-begotten son would make no sense since according to the Bible, Abraham begat Ishmael as well as Isaac. But "one of a kind", "one and only", or "unique" would fit because Isaac was special. Abraham's wife, Sarah, was too old to have a child but she nevertheless became pregnant.

Dr. James R. White notes,

The key element to remember in deriving the meaning of monogenes is this: it is a compound term, combining monos, meaning only, with a second term. Often it is assumed that the second term is gennasthai/gennao, to give birth, to beget. But note that this family of terms has two nu’s, νν, rather than a single nu, ν, found in monogenes. This indicates that the second term is not gennasthai but gignesthai/ginmai, and the noun form, genos. G. L. Prestige discusses the differences that arise from these two derivations in God in Patristic Thought (London: SPCK, 1952), 37-51, 135-141, 151-156.

Genos means "kind or type", ginomai is a verb of being. Hence the translations "one of a kind," "one and only," "of sole descent." Some scholars see the -genes element as having a minor impact upon the meaning of the term, and hence see monogenes as a strengthened form of monos, thereby translating it "alone," "unique," "incomparable."


http://www.answering-islam.org/Who/jesus_monogenes.html


Get Over it Mohammedan, Christians dont believe in Mohammedan Isa and take mriyam and isa as gods beside pagan Allah.why did this Paedo Mohammed always think sexually? :nono: :nono:
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[وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عِمْرَانَ الَّتِى أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا]

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity (private part).) meaning, who protected and purified her honor, by being chaste and free of immorality,

[فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا]
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. [4]


Quran 66:12

* Literal: "her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it" [3]
* Malik: "and into whose womb We breathed of Our spirit" [3]
* George Sale: "and into whose womb we breathed of our spirit" [3]
* JM Rodwell: "and into whose womb we breathed of our spirit" [3]
* Asad: "whereupon We breathed of Our spirit into that [which was in her womb]" [3]
* Tafsir, Ibn Kathir: "(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) " [4]


Looks Like mary gyarded private parts for Allah. what a porn!! :turban:
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:Debunker seems to have lost interest, his position (like that of AB, I presume) is that al-laa-ee Lam Yahdina in 65:4 covers cases of secondary amenorrhea.
I did not lose interest, I never do with my passionate work
I didn't say you lost interest.
AhmedBahgat wrote:Did not you notice that from all the refutations posted by me, which were very coherent and logical and well supported by the Quran, NONE HERE CONCEDED FOR EVEN ONE REFUTATION
I think I conceded quite a few.
AB wrote:Now you goons as expected opened this subject again which I slam dunked before so many times with so many goons, that was even before you have been a member in here, which is really sickening and retarded, but let me see what you have to add or parrot again:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:Well, how about this article from Reuter's Health? Compare the English and Arabic versions of it.
Tough luck pal, I have no time to read external links, what you need to do is simply extract from that article what is useful to your argument then we discuss it in here, so I hope what I am about to read below is your extract from that article.
Just that phrase laa Yahidna was all, that was how they chose to translate amenorrhea into Arabic.
AB wrote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:As one can clearly see, in referring to female athletes who were past the age of menarche but suffered from amenorrhea they wrote Laa Yahidna (لا يحضن) i.e. not menstruating, which is the obvious choice if an adult female stops menstruating for any physiological reason.
FUKIN WRONG
Well I didn't make the phrase up, it was how the journal and several other sites dealing with medical issues described secondary amenorrhea. Another Arab on this forum, truth_seeker, said the same thing about Laa Yahidna.
AB wrote:See, if the Quran does not mention the women who are divorced between their periods, then we will never know what Idah should be for them
Well the Koran says in another Sura they shall wait to have three menstrual periods.
والمطلقات يتربصن بانفسهن ثلاثة قروء ولايحل لهن ان يكتمن ماخلق الله في ارحامهن ان كن يؤمن بالله واليوم الاخر وبعولتهن احق بردهن في ذلك ان ارادوا اصلاحا ولهن مثل الذي عليهن بالمعروف وللرجال عليهن درجة والله عزيز حكيم

The divorced women must wait up to three menstrual cycles before another marriage. If they believe in God and the Day of Judgment, it is not lawful for them to hide what God has created in their wombs. Within their waiting period their husbands have the right to resume marital relations, if they want reconciliation. Women have benefits as well as responsibilities. Men have a status above women. God is Majestic and Wise.

-al Baqara 228
I.e. 65:4 should only apply to those who are not menstruating by reason of old age, pregnancy or - and we're disagreeing about this - immaturity.
LAM denies the present or the NEAR past, FUKIN PERIOD

Why don't you concede and be a man?
Okay, I will. I was wrong. You and I both have discussed this many times and I hereby retract my allegation - the Koran alone does not endorse paedophilia. However, for the 90% of Muslims who believe in hadith and tafsir it is another matter.
debunker wrote:Given that the verse is talking about a woman divorced, using the present tense negation can ONLY mean women who cannot menstruate by nature (as in little girls.)
Well, to my mind al-laa-ee Laa Yahidna could be read as either "those who do not menstruate (ever)" or "those who are not menstruating (now)", but I am making a fool of myself trying to tell Arabs what a phrase in their native language mean.
debunker wrote:And I'm out of here.

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