Ciao Sword ofTruth,sword_of_truth wrote:I am fairly certain that the nihilism of the "honest" atheists will become manifest. Either that or we'll enjoy the spectacle of them become spiritualists.
That's quality humor. Don't know if it's intentional or not, but it's quality.
Anyway, I already gave the answer. Nature did it for us. We have morality. It's not coercion. I was brought up by people and educated by them. Where's the coercion?
It would be quite dishonest for me to be a nihilist. It would be a denial of my own nature. Nothing could be more dishonest. You can call a spade a watermelon, but that's not going to change the fact that it's spade. I have values and the fact that I consider them subjective rather than objective is of no consequence.
There are only so many straw-men we can point out. If our opponents are determined to set up an army of straw-men and heroically knock them all down in what they perceive as some epic and heroic battle, I think we will lose interest.
Your very handle "SwordofTruth," belies your statement... and I find that funny... a riot even. Though all animals clash, I'm pretty sure that Man is the only animal that fights for truth. That little inconsistency popped out at me at once and I haven't even had my first coffee yet.
Is it intentional? INTENTIONAL? Wow we're onto something. Even humor - so it seems to me - is basically the disparity between what is and what ought to be. I agree that man is a moral creature and it is rather legitimate to broach the topic of nature. But that doesn't explain very much.
In fact it fits in perfectly with the concept of nihilism.
And let me show you why by applying your standards to Dr. Smith.
Dr. Smith says (like you)
"I have values and the fact that I consider them subjective rather than objective is of no consequence."
And some Fabled Disembodied Interplayer (hence forward FDI) responds:
"No consequence? The whole world is going to shatter and it is of no consequence!"
Dr. Smith (like you):
"Anyway, I already gave the answer - of why I'm gonna run my experiment. Nature did it for us." Don't believe me? Here's a little statistic:
The annual number of suicides (in USA alone) has averaged about 30,000 since the late 1980s and has consistently exceeded the annual number of homicides. Do the math for the whole world and you'll see millions and millions of "nature-did-it-for-us" people who've killed themselves. But nature has also made me, Dr. Smith more generous and altruistic than most. I don't know why my intellectual curiosity and vindication is more important than the life of every living thing on planet earth. It's in my nature.
And an FDI responds: "Nature? We're talking about the wanton destruction of every living thing and you a human being, a species quite famous for doing both great INTENTIONAL violence TO and wonderful husbandry OF nature blame / call upon nature? You can't just slough it off with "nature"... "Nature" quite evidently means something different vis-a-vis man than - say - vis-a-vis a mongoose.
Mr. Smith (like you says):
We have morality. It's not coercion. I was brought up by people and educated by them. Where's the coercion? Yes, I studied at the Sorbonne and I was intrigued by Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the greatest philosophers of all time. He said the following:
"Regarding life, the wisest men of all ages have judged alike: it is worthless."
I like that, it has a nice ring to it. The wisest men through all the ages have said that! Let me be honest, I had some Cutecootian doubts about destroying the planet, but now I see that the wisest men all through the ages, according to a very respected philosopher who is still required reading, agree with me! Ergo flipping the switch of my gizmo is the wisest choice!
And the FDI responds: You are right in a way, it is not coercion, (though I know for a fact that the 15 year old daughter of IoshkaFutz who is not my creator, but a friend of mine) would rather sleep than go to mandatory school and would much rather study The Simpsons than Algebra.
Ultimately it is CHOICE. We have CHOICE (in many instances)... Choice is not morality, or else any and all choices are moral, and not the old-fashioned and meaningful sense of the word "moral" ("good"). I say that this is the only "meaningful" sense of the word, because there also exists its contrary: "IMMORAL". If morality is merely choice and not "good" than nothing is immoral. Nihilism.
Okay... your turn if you're still interested. I doubt it because I read the following:
If our opponents are determined to set up an army of straw-men and heroically knock them all down in what they perceive as some epic and heroic battle, I think we will lose interest.
I humbly apologize for all the strawmen. It's in my nature and the result of my education. They stopped teaching logic when I was in school. That's why I kindly bid you to point out the strawmen. Rub my nose into it like some dog owners rub their puppy's nose into the pee on the carpet. Just don't declare "strawman strawman!"
So yes, you are a nihilist, or rather you're outlook, most likely unintended, is nihilistic.
And I'm still waiting for an example of a disembodied Interplayer. If you care to take up Huxley's and Cutecoot's slack, I'd appreciate it.