Does Quran Sanction Rape?

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hamid wrote:
charleslemartel wrote:
Truth does not matter to them; their egos matter more. How can they accept that they are born into a regressive religion? They use their intelligence to wriggle out of the embarrassing situations. They do not defend their faith; they defend their egos. To think that one is among the chosen people by the creator God is a great boost to the ego.
How do you know we defend our egos and not our faith?
As far as you are concerned, I haven't seen you do anything but post a line and run.
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hamid wrote:
charleslemartel wrote:
Truth does not matter to them; their egos matter more. How can they accept that they are born into a regressive religion? They use their intelligence to wriggle out of the embarrassing situations. They do not defend their faith; they defend their egos. To think that one is among the chosen people by the creator God is a great boost to the ego.
How do you know we defend our egos and not our faith?
That is my opinion of course. You are free to prove my opinion wrong.
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Aksel Ankersen wrote:
fudgy wrote:You talk pretty big for someone whose kind is responsible for the most heinous crimes committed on Earth. WWI, WWII, dropping a humongous nuclear bomb on innocent civilians traumatizing them for the rest of their lives, and the list never ends. The Japanese attacked your military bases and how you respond? Drop a bomb on gazillions civilians! And it is your civilized world who is responsible for almost extinction of the Jewish folk.
Whose kind would that be, whites?

Y'know 225,000 civilians died in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the Japanese imperial forces slaughtered 30,000 civilians in the first night they took Nanking and at least 300,000 in the six week long rape of Nanking that followed. The death toll in Asia from Japan's marauding armies was in the millions. They needed to be stopped, and the use of nuclear weapons - paradoxically - probably saved countless lives and many more years of bloodshed in the Pacific.
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charleslemartel wrote:
hamid wrote:
charleslemartel wrote:
Truth does not matter to them; their egos matter more. How can they accept that they are born into a regressive religion? They use their intelligence to wriggle out of the embarrassing situations. They do not defend their faith; they defend their egos. To think that one is among the chosen people by the creator God is a great boost to the ego.
How do you know we defend our egos and not our faith?
That is my opinion of course. You are free to prove my opinion wrong.
Because faith doesn't need to be defended because it doesn't have an ego. It's when the ego gets involved that the person feels personally attacked. I love it when Muslims say they are defending their religion. It most certainly is not their religion. They don't own it. They are defending the idea that they have the correct belief, and are most certainly not defending their religion. Their religion is not a person with an ego that needs defending. And all of their self sacrifice has been nothing but them serving themselves by obeying for their promised reward. That's all they do. That's all they know. Islam uses the promise of reward to trap them.
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Because faith doesn't need to be defended because it doesn't have an ego. It's when the ego gets involved that the person feels personally attacked. I love it when Muslims say they are defending their religion. It most certainly is not their religion. They don't own it. They are defending the idea that they have the correct belief, and are most certainly not defending their religion. Their religion is not a person with an ego that needs defending.
That is very accurate MBL. Every word of it. But then again, it applies to all sorts of religionists as well... but I have to hand it to you, Muslims are unbelievablely insecure about their religion which confirms your words above.
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Aksel Ankersen wrote:
fudgy wrote:You talk pretty big for someone whose kind is responsible for the most heinous crimes committed on Earth. WWI, WWII, dropping a humongous nuclear bomb on innocent civilians traumatizing them for the rest of their lives, and the list never ends. The Japanese attacked your military bases and how you respond? Drop a bomb on gazillions civilians! And it is your civilized world who is responsible for almost extinction of the Jewish folk.
Whose kind would that be, whites?

Y'know 225,000 civilians died in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the Japanese imperial forces slaughtered 30,000 civilians in the first night they took Nanking and at least 300,000 in the six week long rape of Nanking that followed. The death toll in Asia from Japan's marauding armies was in the millions. They needed to be stopped, and the use of nuclear weapons - paradoxically - probably saved countless lives and many more years of bloodshed in the Pacific.
Well, in general yes. So lets see the situation Japanese Army was killing their civilians, the solution? Kill more civilians in order to stop their army. Wonderful! There is simply no justification for this heinous crime. Japan was already loosing and with Germany out of the picture the combine forces of the Allied would have simply overwhelmed the Japanese forces. If they were willing to take some military casualties themselves then the Japanese forces would be no match for the combine Allied power. But they wanted to test their atomic weapon and seized the perfect opportunity to do it and if successful would obviously mean the emergence of new Superpower. If Japan did not surrender then there would have been more than just two blast, which ultimately would have led to the extinction of Japan altogether! This is how someone would try to justify such nonsense. Yeah kill a few to save more---my foot.

The fact of the matter is that we Muslims could never achieve the number bloodshed committed by nonMuslim in the history of the planet. And it is simply hypocritical to call Muslims aggressors, especially when someone tries to justify nuking the hell out of cities full of innocent people.

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Yet again, Muslims cannot defend the Quran and resort to threadjacking by bringing in unrelated stuff. This thread is about "Quran sanctioning rape?" and why is so hard for you to understand Mr. Fudgy ?
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fudgy wrote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:
fudgy wrote:You talk pretty big for someone whose kind is responsible for the most heinous crimes committed on Earth. WWI, WWII, dropping a humongous nuclear bomb on innocent civilians traumatizing them for the rest of their lives, and the list never ends. The Japanese attacked your military bases and how you respond? Drop a bomb on gazillions civilians! And it is your civilized world who is responsible for almost extinction of the Jewish folk.
Whose kind would that be, whites?

Y'know 225,000 civilians died in the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but the Japanese imperial forces slaughtered 30,000 civilians in the first night they took Nanking and at least 300,000 in the six week long rape of Nanking that followed. The death toll in Asia from Japan's marauding armies was in the millions. They needed to be stopped, and the use of nuclear weapons - paradoxically - probably saved countless lives and many more years of bloodshed in the Pacific.
Well, in general yes. So lets see the situation Japanese Army was killing their civilians, the solution? Kill more civilians in order to stop their army. Wonderful! There is simply no justification for this heinous crime. Japan was already loosing and with Germany out of the picture the combine forces of the Allied would have simply overwhelmed the Japanese forces. If they were willing to take some military casualties themselves then the Japanese forces would be no match for the combine Allied power. But they wanted to test their atomic weapon and seized the perfect opportunity to do it and if successful would obviously mean the emergence of new Superpower. If Japan did not surrender then there would have been more than just two blast, which ultimately would have led to the extinction of Japan altogether! This is how someone would try to justify such nonsense. Yeah kill a few to save more---my foot.
The battle of Okinawa, which was fought in the way you imagine resulted in the deaths of 1/4 to 1/3 of the civillian population of the Islands. The Japanese army had showed they were willing to spill every last drop of their blood (and that of any civilians nearby) in resisting the Allies. Imagine the death toll if the Allies had battled on through Japan as they did in Okinawa. Only the use of atomic weapons convinced the Japanese that they couldn't win.
fudgy wrote:The fact of the matter is that we Muslims could never achieve the number bloodshed committed by nonMuslim in the history of the planet.
What about the Armenian genocide? The first systematic, modern genocide and carried out with religious prejudice.

There's a difference, you know, between bombing cities in wartime and rounding up a civilian population for extermination in cold blood.
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fudgy wrote: Well, in general yes. So lets see the situation Japanese Army was killing their civilians, the solution? Kill more civilians in order to stop their army. Wonderful!
The solution? Let them keep killing, right? Fudgy, haven't you figured iout these issues for yourself or are you honestly that naive?
fudgy wrote: There is simply no justification for this heinous crime. Japan was already loosing and with Germany out of the picture the combine forces of the Allied would have simply overwhelmed the Japanese forces. If they were willing to take some military casualties themselves then the Japanese forces would be no match for the combine Allied power.
The Japanese would have never surrendered. In fact, they didn't even surrender after the first bomb, even though they now knew we had it. So what does that tell you right there? And how come you seem to see Muslims complain about this more than the Japanese themselves? Because it's a propaganda piece by the sneaky plotting Muslims, that's why.

fudgy wrote: But they wanted to test their atomic weapon and seized the perfect opportunity to do it and if successful would obviously mean the emergence of new Superpower. If Japan did not surrender then there would have been more than just two blast, which ultimately would have led to the extinction of Japan altogether! This is how someone would try to justify such nonsense. Yeah kill a few to save more---my foot.
Why aren't you critical of Japan?

fudgy wrote: The fact of the matter is that we Muslims could never achieve the number bloodshed committed by nonMuslim in the history of the planet. And it is simply hypocritical to call Muslims aggressors, especially when someone tries to justify nuking the hell out of cities full of innocent people.
You Muslims can't do this because you aren't advanced enough to create weapons such as this on your own, but if you Muslims had them, you would just as easily use them, or maybe even more easily. After all, it's just the kafir, right? And Allah has condemned them, right? What a perfect excuse.
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Aksel Ankersen wrote: What about the Armenian genocide? The first systematic, modern genocide and carried out with religious prejudice.

There's a difference, you know, between bombing cities in wartime and rounding up a civilian population for extermination in cold blood.
They are always ignorant to the actions of Muslims because the propagandists lie to them and refuse to tell them things like this.
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Nor are they willing to think about the millions of Indians Muslims slaughtered - nor the millions of Africans.

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Aksel Ankersen wrote:
The battle of Okinawa, which was fought in the way you imagine resulted in the deaths of 1/4 to 1/3 of the civillian population of the Islands. The Japanese army had showed they were willing to spill every last drop of their blood (and that of any civilians nearby) in resisting the Allies. Imagine the death toll if the Allies had battled on through Japan as they did in Okinawa. Only the use of atomic weapons convinced the Japanese that they couldn't win.
fudgy wrote:The fact of the matter is that we Muslims could never achieve the number bloodshed committed by nonMuslim in the history of the planet.
What about the Armenian genocide? The first systematic, modern genocide and carried out with religious prejudice.

There's a difference, you know, between bombing cities in wartime and rounding up a civilian population for extermination in cold blood.
I am not going to argue with you about this more. I might have bought your theory if it was just 1 blast. With Germany gone and after Hiroshima blast Japan was crippled badly, there simply was no need for another blast. Don't tell me that one nuke is not good enough to cripple the Japanese Army. And yes the Japanese Army was crazy too and they too belong in NonMuslim category. See but when a Muslim nation tries to acquire a nuclear weapon everyone goes berserk.
The Armenian deaths of about 500 thousands though was a sad event still is only a fraction of what the Nonmuslims managed.

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The Armenian deaths of about 500 thousands though was a sad event still is only a fraction of what the Nonmuslims managed.
Yeah, forget the 80-100 million deaths in India alone due to mohammedans. :roll:

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The Japanese military were no where near to surrendering after the first bomb. They wanted the last soldier and the last civilian to go down fighting gloriously to the death.

Even after the second bomb, the Japanese military were unwilling to surrender. It was only the intercession of the Son of Heaven, the Japanese Emperor, that forced the military to do the "unbearable" and allowed the civilian government to surrender.

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fudgy wrote:
Aksel Ankersen wrote:
The battle of Okinawa, which was fought in the way you imagine resulted in the deaths of 1/4 to 1/3 of the civillian population of the Islands. The Japanese army had showed they were willing to spill every last drop of their blood (and that of any civilians nearby) in resisting the Allies. Imagine the death toll if the Allies had battled on through Japan as they did in Okinawa. Only the use of atomic weapons convinced the Japanese that they couldn't win.
fudgy wrote:The fact of the matter is that we Muslims could never achieve the number bloodshed committed by nonMuslim in the history of the planet.
What about the Armenian genocide? The first systematic, modern genocide and carried out with religious prejudice.

There's a difference, you know, between bombing cities in wartime and rounding up a civilian population for extermination in cold blood.
I am not going to argue with you about this more. I might have bought your theory if it was just 1 blast. With Germany gone and after Hiroshima blast Japan was crippled badly, there simply was no need for another blast.
If they didn't surrender after the first blast, was the US supposed to leave them alone and let them rebuild? what is the matter with your head? And like Aksel pointed out, the Armenian situation was not only genocide, but religious genocide, but all the lying propagandists you listen to conveniently forget to tell you about this.
fudgy wrote: Don't tell me that one nuke is not good enough to cripple the Japanese Army.
Apparently the Japanese army didn't think so because they didn't surrender.
fudgy wrote: And yes the Japanese Army was crazy too and they too belong in NonMuslim category. See but when a Muslim nation tries to acquire a nuclear weapon everyone goes berserk.
Absolutely. Look, western countries can easily turn the entire middle east into a parking lot. So why don't they? If a Muslim country gets a nuke, they will try to turn Israel into a parking lot if they can.
fudgy wrote: The Armenian deaths of about 500 thousands though was a sad event still is only a fraction of what the Nonmuslims managed.
Muslims haven't had as many wars because their fellow Muslim Ottomans conquered all of the Muslim countries. But look at what happens after the KAFIR came and freed these countries from their fellow Muslim Ottomans? They're fighting each other all of the time. Just look at Iraq. I have never seen a situation where occupation causes them to fight each other rather than the occupiers. Most of the deaths in Iraq came at the hands of their fellow Muslims, and this is a known fact.

Anyway, in general, freeing these countries from the Ottoman Turks was probably the worst thing the west could have done. Now look at all the problems it has caused. And these days, around the globe, it seems that almost everywhere there is a fight, there is a Muslim. Even China has not escaped the Muslim scourge.
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y should know during the Holy prophets Moses and Jesus there was slavery. Islamic slavery rules are anuuled rules and belong to the past which slavery and having slaves was a part of daily life . Y should consider this fact while y are judging and interpreting Islamic rules and texts.

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Adeli wrote:y should know during the Holy prophets Moses and Jesus there was slavery. Islamic slavery rules are anuuled rules and belong to the past which slavery and having slaves was a part of daily life . Y should consider this fact while y are judging and interpreting Islamic rules and texts.
Hello Adeli,

Welcome to FFI.

Islamic rules and texts are being judged because they are for all the humanity and for all the times to come, aren't they? I would also add that they are the final rules and texts.
Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
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charleslemartel wrote:
Adeli wrote:y should know during the Holy prophets Moses and Jesus there was slavery. Islamic slavery rules are anuuled rules and belong to the past which slavery and having slaves was a part of daily life . Y should consider this fact while y are judging and interpreting Islamic rules and texts.
Hello Adeli,

Welcome to FFI.

Islamic rules and texts are being judged because they are for all the humanity and for all the times to come, aren't they? I would also add that they are the final rules and texts.
They really trapped themselves when they did this, didn't they. They just didn't stop to think. The old saying, less is more. The Quran and Muslims really should have kept their mouth shut about certain claims as these ended up being the undoing of the Quran. It's ironic, but what was supposed to be the strengths of the Quran, turned out to be it's weaknesses.
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Hi Khalil, your research on "Does Quran sanction rape?" deserves to be published everywhere. It is concise and well documented. That should leave no doubt that Islam snaction rape.
Of course, Muslims will go into vicious circles to refute the obvious fact, as usual.

Mohammad's hunger and thirst for sex is easily proven through the Koran, hadiths and his behavior towards women.
"Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse.” 7:30
“After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women”. 7:33

Islam must be banned. It is inhumane and evil. In short it is CRIMINAL.

Keep the good work.

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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
charleslemartel wrote:
Adeli wrote:y should know during the Holy prophets Moses and Jesus there was slavery. Islamic slavery rules are anuuled rules and belong to the past which slavery and having slaves was a part of daily life . Y should consider this fact while y are judging and interpreting Islamic rules and texts.
Hello Adeli,

Welcome to FFI.

Islamic rules and texts are being judged because they are for all the humanity and for all the times to come, aren't they? I would also add that they are the final rules and texts.
They really trapped themselves when they did this, didn't they. They just didn't stop to think. The old saying, less is more. The Quran and Muslims really should have kept their mouth shut about certain claims as these ended up being the undoing of the Quran. It's ironic, but what was supposed to be the strengths of the Quran, turned out to be it's weaknesses.
Islam, with its criminal teachings, was contained in the ME for over 1400 years. 9/11 Exposed Islam with NO return. The islamists realised that the sword does not work any longer to spread the evil of Islam around the world. They started legal and illegal immigration of Muslims to the West 4-5 decades ago. They spread the huge lies, which is halal (allowed in islam) that Islam is a religion of peace and love. However, their action and Koran prove quite the opposite.

Also, as a result of 9/11, a huge number of Muslims (in the millions) left and leaving Islam. They are not allowed to ask questions about their faith. Now, thanks to the internet, they found themselves bombarded with the ugly truth about their so-called religion.

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