SAM wrote:Hello Ram, Whatsoever you say about women in Islam.Ram wrote:SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
West converts are often strikingly well-educated. Dozens of the women seem to be perpetual students, and are anxious to distinguish between genuinely Islamic behaviour and cultural diktats. The oppression of women, they say, is a political issue not a religious condition.
They says: "Islam is as much a world faith as Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own." Islam is also spreading fast on the Continent and in America.
It is even more ironic that most West converts should be women, given the widespread view in the West that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts out- number men by four to one, and in Britain they make up the bulk of the estimated 10,000 to 20,000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britain's "new Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds.
A small-scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger Muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad said, `The light of Islam will rise in the West' and I think that's whats happening in our day," says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West.". Source: Islamic Foundation in Leicester
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
SAM wrote:Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.
SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
Hi BeckyP . welcome to FFI. Just curious., did your mom converted in to Islam because of love towards Islam or because your step Dad liked very mush she being Muslim? or did he force her to join Islam by nagging her day in and day out??It's not that common, my mum only really converted after she married my muslim stepdad. That's probably what its like for most women who convert. And trust me, I know full well that the idea that men and women are equal in islam is totally untrue.
SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.
yeezevee wrote:Hi BeckyP . welcome to FFI. Just curious., did your mom converted in to Islam because of love towards Islam or because your step Dad liked very mush she being Muslim? or did he force her to join Islam by nagging her day in and day out??
Please don't answer if you feel the question is bit intruding and personal..
Again welcome to FFI..
with best wishes
yeezevee
SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
At some point I agree with you, and pls don’t assume that all Muslims are the same.Trojan wrote:SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
Dear SAM,
It happens all the time all over the west. The other day i was at a food court in a mall, in line was a (white) mother and daughter, ( how did I know?.... resembelance )the mother had traditional western attire, tight jeans etc. while the daughter had a hijab on, they seemed like they had a good relationship going. Would you find something like this let's say in Pakistan or saudi arabia, where a Muslim family may have a convert to Christianity sporting let's say a cross around their neck, living peacefully under the same roof? If you are a convert to Islam, I am sure not all your extended members are, how do they treat you?
Islam and its member muslims are an extremely insecure bunch, that is why they require force of law to keep them from drifting away.
SAM wrote:At some point I agree with you, and pls don’t assume that all Muslims are the same.Trojan wrote:SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.
Dear SAM,
It happens all the time all over the west. The other day i was at a food court in a mall, in line was a (white) mother and daughter, ( how did I know?.... resembelance )the mother had traditional western attire, tight jeans etc. while the daughter had a hijab on, they seemed like they had a good relationship going. Would you find something like this let's say in Pakistan or saudi arabia, where a Muslim family may have a convert to Christianity sporting let's say a cross around their neck, living peacefully under the same roof? If you are a convert to Islam, I am sure not all your extended members are, how do they treat you?
Islam and its member muslims are an extremely insecure bunch, that is why they require force of law to keep them from drifting away.
(al-Kafirun) O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. It is the legitimatize code ordained by Allah for all mankind especially Muslims without realize that they're 'Kafir 'too.Ram wrote:SAM, It is obvious that you have not read the Quran. The Quran commands Muslims to hate kafirs (non-Muslims) If Islam were a tolerant religion there would be not be the word kafir in Islamic lexicon. You totally disregard the fact that in Muslim countries, the non-Muslims are brutalized.
No, never heard of it.I am sure you have heard the case of Sikhs in Peshawar forced to pay the jizya to the local warlords.
Sorry, none of my bussinessTell me, is this tolerance? What is bothersome is that basically Muslims are hypocrits and dishonest. They try to gloss over the facts.
It's up to youYou are no different.
SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}
SAM wrote:2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing {Qur'an 42:49}
SAM wrote:3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
SAM wrote:4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}
SAM wrote:5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.
SAM wrote:6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.
SAM wrote:7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.
SAM wrote:The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".
Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?
SAM wrote:8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid)
SAM wrote:9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
SAM wrote:10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming Presidents in predominately Christian countries,while the Muslim countries have voted for and elected Female Presidents.
Ram wrote:SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}
In the Bible, both men and women are guilty of original sin.
In Islam women are inferior to men. Men have authority over women. Paedophile Prophet Muhammad said that women are deficient in intelligence.2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing {Qur'an 42:49}
In the western countries women are equal.
In Muslim countries women are treated as second class citizens. Tell me this, if the Quran says that girls and boys are equal blessing, why do Muslim treat girls like garbage. Taliban kill girls who want to go to school. You are telling me that not one Muslim country follows the laws of the Quran? How is that possible?3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
This is the biggest lie. Prophet Muhammad has clearly said that women must hold their tongue. Any woman who dared argue with the Paedophile was killed.4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}
One more lie. Divorced women are shunned in Muslim countries. Women are not entitled to alimony, they are on their own. Muslims love to repeat lies.
In the west, divorced women own properties, they work, own businesses. Divorced women are given 50 percent of husband's assets by law. They are given 50 percent of husband's pensions.5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.
You do not know anything or you are lying. According to the Quran, daughters are entitled to half of what their brothers are entitled to.
Legally, if there is no will, everything is divided equally between all siblings, boys and girls. But in case the wife is living, everything goes to her.
But in Muslim countries, the surviving wife does not get anything.6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.
This is one more lie. It is the father who decides, who his daughter will marry. Women and men are not allowed any social contact in Muslim country, how the hell she is going to decide who to marry? She has not even seen the man she is going to marry. You speak such non-sense.
In the West, women are free to meet men on their own. The woman gets to know the man. They couples have lot to say how they will marry, what kind of celebration they will have etc.7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
In Muslim countries, if a girl is raped will be killed by her father, her brothers, grandfather or even uncles to save the family's honour. While the rapist is allowed to go free. This is Quranic justice. The tragedy is, it is perfectly legal in Saudi Arabia, in Jordan and many Muslim countries.
In the West, the raped girl will go the police without any fear. The rapist will be prosecuted, There will be a trial. If found guilty he will go jail for a very long time. She will treated in a hospital with respect.One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.
Let us look at the facts. The Quran says that the woman who is raped must produce 4 good Mulsim men as witnesses to prove that she has been raped. This is the most idiotic law in the world and its in the Quran. Now tell me this, who is going to rape a woman in front of 4 men? Wouldn't the men stop the rape and save the girl? Or. they will just watch the show so they can testify? What kind of stupid law is this? What kind of stupid Quran will sanction a law like this?The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".
Lie after lie. Aisha was a child when old fart Muhammad married Aisha, he was 53 year dirty old man lusting after a child. Aisha had no say in marrying the old paedophile bastard, her father was forced to giver Aisha to Muhammad. If not, he would been killed along with his family, except Aisha ofcourse, by the pervert. Aisha's father had no choice. Muhammad pulled an ayat out of thin air, Allah granting him the right to marry a little girl. You are totally shameless for invoking little Aisha and glorifying the immoral acts of Muhammad.Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?
Men in the west love women in general. They respect women.
In Muslim countries, women are considered properties, not as human being.8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid)
Women in the West are safer than women in Muslim countries. Even Muslim women are lot safer in the west than in any Muslim country. I see Muslim women in hijab sitting alone in restaurants without any fear. They are seen driving cars alone on their own. This will never happen in Muslim countries.
In Muslim countries, women get beaten up if they are alone. It is very common in NWFP of Pakistan, Afghanistan, women get killed if they are alone outside their houses. In many cases the women are raped before they are killed in order to deny them the place in heaven.9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
I am laughing here. There is NO democracy in Islam. Democracy is purely a western concept.10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming Presidents in predominately Christian countries,while the Muslim countries have voted for and elected Female Presidents.
There are many women leaders in the West. Margaret Thatcer, Kim Campbell in Canada. There have been only 4 women leaders in Muslim countries. Benazur Bhutto the daughter of megalomaniac Zulfikar, 2 women in Bangladesh and one in Turkey. There are hundreds of women leaders in the west.
The fact is that Muslims are the most backward, least educated people in the world. Funny thing is they still brag that they are superior. Muslims do not have any technological or scientific achievement to their credit. There are NO significant books coming out of Muslim world. No great music, no great films or any art. Everything is mediocre in Islamic nations. Muslims glorify ignorance and violence. They know only one thing, how to brag and boast. Proof of what I am saying is in Muslim countries. Muslims are too blind to see it.
Natassia wrote:The Bible did not convict Eve as the "original sinner." If you have read the story, you will know that she was never labeled as such. The original sinner was in fact the Serpent.
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