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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby sword_of_truth » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:43 am

This is very alarming. Women are the ones who can have children, passing the disease to their offspring.

Hopefully, this thread can serve to motivate us to be more aggressive in revealing the truth about Islam. These women need to be vaccinated against this horrific disease with Hadiths like this:

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."


Then, only those who have a blatant disregard for reality can convert to Islam.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby Ram » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:55 am

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Ram wrote:
SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
Hello Ram, Whatsoever you say about women in Islam.

True, many women Western women are converting to Islam.
But don't forget, many Muslim women are rejecting Islam. Many of these women are very accomplished. Dr. Taslima Nasrin, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. These women are world famous. They have written extensively abot the evil of Islam and the perversion of your Paedophile Prophet.
West converts are often strikingly well-educated. Dozens of the women seem to be perpetual students, and are anxious to distinguish between genuinely Islamic behaviour and cultural diktats. The oppression of women, they say, is a political issue not a religious condition.

These women convert to Islam out of ignorance. At least 50% of them leave Islam within five years.
There is NO freedom of religion in Muslim countries, do you know why? Because Muslims know that if given the choice, very large number of women in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and many other Muslim women will convert to Christianity - many men too. In Pakistan, very large number of women will convert to Hinduism if they had the freedom. These women remain Muslim not because they love Islam but because they know will die if they reject Islam. It is the fear which keeps them shakled to the evil ideology. This also is the evidence that Islam is a hoax. IT IS THE CULTURAL DIKTAT OF FEAR OF NARROW MINDED MUSLIM CLERGY IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHICH IS KEEPING WOMEN ENSLAVED IN ISLAM.
How is it possible that every Muslim country which practices oppressive Islamic culture? If Islam is perfect, how is that possible?
They says: "Islam is as much a world faith as Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own." Islam is also spreading fast on the Continent and in America.

Islam and Roman Catholicism are two most totalitarian ideologies. At least in Catholic countries, I am free to practice my religion, build my temples, preach my religion and seek converts.
In Muslims countries, I will be killed. So tell me who is more civilzed? Muslims or Catholics? Islam is on retreat in Africa. Given the freedom of religion, Islam will disappear from Muslim countries. That is the reason there is NO freedom of religion in Muslim countries and Muslims know it.
It is even more ironic that most West converts should be women, given the widespread view in the West that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts out- number men by four to one, and in Britain they make up the bulk of the estimated 10,000 to 20,000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britain's "new Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds.

Majority of them leave Islam within 5 years. Meanwhile, thousands of young Muslim girls are rejecting Islam in the United States and Canada' they are sick of Islamic repression.
A small-scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger Muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad said, `The light of Islam will rise in the West' and I think that's whats happening in our day," says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West.". Source: Islamic Foundation in Leicester

Don't pat yourself on the back. There are countless Muslims see the ugly reality of Islam in the West and Muslim countries. Malaysia and Indonesia are 2 great examples. In Malaysia, Islam needs legal protection. Muslim Malaysians know that Muslims will leave Islam in large numbers, that is why they have repressive laws to protect Islam.

It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby SAM » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:33 am

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It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby Brendalee » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:05 pm

SAM wrote:
Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.


Such awe inspiring nerve you have SAM, to compare Ram's "fear of being killed" with your insipid "disown" potential consequence.

One is a very real threat: All of the MAINSTREAM Islamic schools of Jurisprudence think that death is the appropriate punishment for apostasy (so much for "moderate" Islam...). And furthermore we read of apostates being attacked and even killed by their co-religionists even in the West where they should be safe under Western laws.

Perhaps you could provide us with some statistics about how many new Muslims in the liberal-thinking West are DISOWNED by their families. Precious few, I warrant. And, for those few who are disowned, this still does not equate with DEATH or even "fear" of death.

Doesn't the Quran clearly state that truth stands out clearly from falsehood? So tell me how any Muslim can justify Islam's apostasy rules? How nice it would be if the only thing apostates from Islam had to worry about was the possiblity of being disowned by their family.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby ixolite » Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:26 pm

Spoiler! :
SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}

2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing {Qur'an 42:49}

3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}

5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.

6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.

7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.

The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".

Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid)

9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming Presidents in predominately Christian countries,while the Muslim countries have voted for and elected Female Presidents.

Source: Mohamed Ghounem & Abdur Rahman

*tsk tsk tsk* :nono1: This is Women in Islam, not Women in Christianity. If you want to compare both, open a thread in Islam vs. other Religions. Here, it is OT.

Besides, so what? If Christianity sucks, how does that make Islam suck less? The answer is, of course it doesn't. Islam sucks as much as it did before. No amount of tu quoque will change that.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby Ram » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:54 am

SAM wrote:
Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.

I would never disown my children even if they converted to Islam. But I am sure that you will kill your children if they converted to Christianity. Besides your logic is extremely pathetic. Obvioulsy as a Muslim you have no concept of freedom of religion or the basic human rights. Muslim say that Islam is noble but the actions of Muslims are barbaric. Muslims do not tire of repeating, "there is no compulsion in religion", but they will NOT hesitate to kill their mother, sister, daughter or wife for rejecting Islam. Such is the curse of Islam.

In Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and many Muslim countries, the law mandates that the apostate must be killed. So what happened to, "no compulsion in religion"? If Islam is so good, why there is need for such barbarity?
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby BeckyP » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:05 pm

It's not that common, my mum only really converted after she married my muslim stepdad. That's probably what its like for most women who convert. And trust me, I know full well that the idea that men and women are equal in islam is totally untrue.
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Postby yeezevee » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:49 pm

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It's not that common, my mum only really converted after she married my muslim stepdad. That's probably what its like for most women who convert. And trust me, I know full well that the idea that men and women are equal in islam is totally untrue.
Hi BeckyP . welcome to FFI. Just curious., did your mom converted in to Islam because of love towards Islam or because your step Dad liked very mush she being Muslim? or did he force her to join Islam by nagging her day in and day out??

Please don't answer if you feel the question is bit intruding and personal..


Again welcome to FFI..

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Postby KufirbintKufr » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:51 am

SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.


That is exactly what happens in islam- as the kuffar cannot inherit from muslim...

So if Becky P's mother died in the muslim country Becky would not get a single penny from the inheritance...

Converting to islam means to disown your kufr family without even the need to make any further legal steps...just alone the fact that they are kufr do the trick of disowning them...
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby BeckyP » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:54 pm

yeezevee wrote:Hi BeckyP . welcome to FFI. Just curious., did your mom converted in to Islam because of love towards Islam or because your step Dad liked very mush she being Muslim? or did he force her to join Islam by nagging her day in and day out??

Please don't answer if you feel the question is bit intruding and personal..


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Well I'm not really new, I registered for the old forum a little time ago. But hi anyway!

As for the question, I'm not really sure. She does seem to believe in Islam, but I couldn't have seen her converting if she didn't meet him. So it's probably a mix of the first two.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby Trojan » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:33 pm

SAM wrote:
Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.


Dear SAM,
It happens all the time all over the west. The other day i was at a food court in a mall, in line was a (white) mother and daughter, ( how did I know?.... resembelance )the mother had traditional western attire, tight jeans etc. while the daughter had a hijab on, they seemed like they had a good relationship going. Would you find something like this let's say in Pakistan or saudi arabia, where a Muslim family may have a convert to Christianity sporting let's say a cross around their neck, living peacefully under the same roof? If you are a convert to Islam, I am sure not all your extended members are, how do they treat you?
Islam and its member muslims are an extremely insecure bunch, that is why they require force of law to keep them from drifting away.

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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby SAM » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:12 pm

Trojan wrote:
SAM wrote:
Ram wrote:
It is fear of being killed which forces women to remain Muslims in Muslim countries. This is NOT the mark of a true religion. In the West, Christians are confident of their religion - that's the reason for the freedom of religion.
What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.


Dear SAM,
It happens all the time all over the west. The other day i was at a food court in a mall, in line was a (white) mother and daughter, ( how did I know?.... resembelance )the mother had traditional western attire, tight jeans etc. while the daughter had a hijab on, they seemed like they had a good relationship going. Would you find something like this let's say in Pakistan or saudi arabia, where a Muslim family may have a convert to Christianity sporting let's say a cross around their neck, living peacefully under the same roof? If you are a convert to Islam, I am sure not all your extended members are, how do they treat you?
Islam and its member muslims are an extremely insecure bunch, that is why they require force of law to keep them from drifting away.
At some point I agree with you, and pls don’t assume that all Muslims are the same. :)
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Postby Ram » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:02 am

SAM wrote:
Trojan wrote:
SAM wrote:What you say, one of those your family members convert to Islam especially your wife, sister, daughter or mother?. Will you disowns them?. For Freedom of Religion. Can you handle losing your entire family that means so much to you.

Dear SAM,
It happens all the time all over the west. The other day i was at a food court in a mall, in line was a (white) mother and daughter, ( how did I know?.... resembelance )the mother had traditional western attire, tight jeans etc. while the daughter had a hijab on, they seemed like they had a good relationship going. Would you find something like this let's say in Pakistan or saudi arabia, where a Muslim family may have a convert to Christianity sporting let's say a cross around their neck, living peacefully under the same roof? If you are a convert to Islam, I am sure not all your extended members are, how do they treat you?
Islam and its member muslims are an extremely insecure bunch, that is why they require force of law to keep them from drifting away.
At some point I agree with you, and pls don’t assume that all Muslims are the same. :)

SAM, It is obvious that you have not read the Quran. The Quran commands Muslims to hate kafirs (non-Muslims) If Islam were a tolerant religion there would be not be the word kafir in Islamic lexicon. You totally disregard the fact that in Muslim countries, the non-Muslims are brutalized. I am sure you have heard the case of Sikhs in Peshawar forced to pay the jizya to the local warlords. Tell me, is this tolerance? What is bothersome is that basically Muslims are hypocrits and dishonest. They try to gloss over the facts. You are no different.
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Postby SAM » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:51 am

Ram wrote:SAM, It is obvious that you have not read the Quran. The Quran commands Muslims to hate kafirs (non-Muslims) If Islam were a tolerant religion there would be not be the word kafir in Islamic lexicon. You totally disregard the fact that in Muslim countries, the non-Muslims are brutalized.
(al-Kafirun) O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. It is the legitimatize code ordained by Allah for all mankind especially Muslims without realize that they're 'Kafir 'too.

I am sure you have heard the case of Sikhs in Peshawar forced to pay the jizya to the local warlords.
No, never heard of it.
Tell me, is this tolerance? What is bothersome is that basically Muslims are hypocrits and dishonest. They try to gloss over the facts.
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Postby Natassia » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:15 am

I felt I should correct some of these statements.

SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}


1. The Bible did not convict Eve as the "original sinner." If you have read the story, you will know that she was never labeled as such. The original sinner was in fact the Serpent. Neither of their eyes were "opened" until both of them had eaten of the fruit. The Bible says that Adam was with his wife when she ate from the tree. And, as a side note, Eve blamed the Serpent for deceiving her into eating of the fruit. Adam blamed God for giving him Eve who had given him the fruit to eat. If you ask me, Adam's sin was far worse.

SAM wrote:2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing {Qur'an 42:49}


2. Ecclesiasticus is not in the Bible. If you are referring to Ecclesiastes, it only has 12 chapters.

SAM wrote:3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}


3. Paul said woman should remain silent in church because "it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." The culture and traditions of that time made it so. For a woman to be mute and subjugated in a Western church today would be seen as disgraceful...so to follow the guideline of "remain silent in church" would have the opposite effect of what Paul originally intended: to avoid disgrace.

But, if you recall in 1 Corinthians 11:5, women could prophesy and pray. Why would Paul give rules about head coverings for prophesing if women weren't allowed to speak at all? Also, if you look at 14:27-32, Paul was also telling men to keep silent at certain points. It's about orderly worship.

Let's keep things in context...most women in the first century AD were uneducated and had little-to-no knowledge of the Scriptures.

SAM wrote:4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}


4. You ignored verse 28. A man who lusts after another woman is an "adulterer." Verse 32 is speaking of a divorced woman AND her new husband. You might also want to check out Matthew 19:9

The Quran has plenty of double-standards of its own. Men are allowed multiple wives as well as concubines (slave girls). They are allowed to marry Christian and Jewish women. Muslim women, however, can only have one husband and may not have gigilos (slave boys). They are only allowed to marry Muslim men.

SAM wrote:5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.


5. Inheritance laws were based on the assumption that when a woman married she was integrated into her husband's family...and therefore taken care of even if he died. A good example of this would be the book of Ruth.

SAM wrote:6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.


6. Just because the Bible tells a story about something, it doesn't mean that it "allows" it. What a ridiculous notion! The Bible tells stories about idolatry, too.

"Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth." Malachi 2:15

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12

"Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate." Matthew 19:4-6

"But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:2

Tell me, did Aisha get a choice? How about Safiya? How about Mary the Copt?

SAM wrote:7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.


7. (Well, according to sharia law, a man may rape his wife.)

This was merely a means of protection for the girl. Once raped, she would have been disgraced in the eyes of the society (Is it fair? No. But again, this is society's fault, not God's.) It is likely that she would never be married. Also, if the rape led to the consequence of pregnancy, this ensures that the father of the child would provide for his offspring.

We all know how barbaric, backwards societies work (and the ancient Hebrews were one of them)...just look at Muslim countries...the girls who are raped are afraid to report it to the authorities because they might be convicted of committing zina (four witnesses, remember?)...and the social stigma would be terribly detrimental to both the rape victims and their families. So, perhaps it is not the Old Testament law that was a problem...it was the society's views as a whole in regards to virginity and a woman's value. If men weren't raping girls in the first place...and if the people wouldn't look down on rape victims, then laws like those would not be needed, would they?

SAM wrote:The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".

Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?



Narrated by Aisha: "A virgin's silence may be taken as consent."

Oh, that's nice. What if the virgin is afraid or intimidated or shy?

SAM wrote:8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid)


8. See my answer regarding #3. Depending on the society, covering her hair may be seen as a disgraceful or humiliating thing and would therefore have the opposite effect of what Paul had originally intended.

Veils do not lower the chance of rape...just ask girls in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Yemen, etc. Oh wait, nevermind. They're probably too scared to say anything about it.

SAM wrote:9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.


9. The United States is not based on the Bible. Besides, the Bible is not a book instructing people how to govern nations or legislate policies. The U.S. Constitution can be amended to evolve and grow with society. Tell me, can you amend the Quran? The Quran allows slavery and slave girls for sex.

SAM wrote:10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming Presidents in predominately Christian countries,while the Muslim countries have voted for and elected Female Presidents.


Women have been able to run for president for decades...why is it the fault of the American people if none worth their salt ever ran?

Tell me, can a woman be a sheik or an imam or a mullah or an ayatollah?

Goodness, how I hate hypocrisy.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby byteresistor » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:27 am

Let's see if they would convert if they'd been to a muslim country. The media is one of the biggest factors to be blame. They have romanticized Islam. Religion of "peace". Although these "statistics" could just be muslim propaganda like the known "fastest" growing religion.
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Postby dianagrace » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:26 pm

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SAM wrote:Why more and more women embracing/converting to Islam... Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.
1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Qur'an 7:19-25}

In the Bible, both men and women are guilty of original sin.
In Islam women are inferior to men. Men have authority over women. Paedophile Prophet Muhammad said that women are deficient in intelligence.
2. The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur'an says both are an Equal Blessing {Qur'an 42:49}

In the western countries women are equal.
In Muslim countries women are treated as second class citizens. Tell me this, if the Quran says that girls and boys are equal blessing, why do Muslim treat girls like garbage. Taliban kill girls who want to go to school. You are telling me that not one Muslim country follows the laws of the Quran? How is that possible?
3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

This is the biggest lie. Prophet Muhammad has clearly said that women must hold their tongue. Any woman who dared argue with the Paedophile was killed.
4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards { Qur'an 30:21}

One more lie. Divorced women are shunned in Muslim countries. Women are not entitled to alimony, they are on their own. Muslims love to repeat lies.
In the west, divorced women own properties, they work, own businesses. Divorced women are given 50 percent of husband's assets by law. They are given 50 percent of husband's pensions.
5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this male greediness { Qur'an 4:22} and God Protects All.

You do not know anything or you are lying. According to the Quran, daughters are entitled to half of what their brothers are entitled to.
Legally, if there is no will, everything is divided equally between all siblings, boys and girls. But in case the wife is living, everything goes to her.
But in Muslim countries, the surviving wife does not get anything.
6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3} In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the Wife's permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One Wife{ Qur'an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman the Right to Choose who to Marry.

This is one more lie. It is the father who decides, who his daughter will marry. Women and men are not allowed any social contact in Muslim country, how the hell she is going to decide who to marry? She has not even seen the man she is going to marry. You speak such non-sense.
In the West, women are free to meet men on their own. The woman gets to know the man. They couples have lot to say how they will marry, what kind of celebration they will have etc.
7. "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

In Muslim countries, if a girl is raped will be killed by her father, her brothers, grandfather or even uncles to save the family's honour. While the rapist is allowed to go free. This is Quranic justice. The tragedy is, it is perfectly legal in Saudi Arabia, in Jordan and many Muslim countries.
In the West, the raped girl will go the police without any fear. The rapist will be prosecuted, There will be a trial. If found guilty he will go jail for a very long time. She will treated in a hospital with respect.
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life with the man who Raped You.

Let us look at the facts. The Quran says that the woman who is raped must produce 4 good Mulsim men as witnesses to prove that she has been raped. This is the most idiotic law in the world and its in the Quran. Now tell me this, who is going to rape a woman in front of 4 men? Wouldn't the men stop the rape and save the girl? Or. they will just watch the show so they can testify? What kind of stupid law is this? What kind of stupid Quran will sanction a law like this?
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:" It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)".

Lie after lie. Aisha was a child when old fart Muhammad married Aisha, he was 53 year dirty old man lusting after a child. Aisha had no say in marrying the old paedophile bastard, her father was forced to giver Aisha to Muhammad. If not, he would been killed along with his family, except Aisha ofcourse, by the pervert. Aisha's father had no choice. Muhammad pulled an ayat out of thin air, Allah granting him the right to marry a little girl. You are totally shameless for invoking little Aisha and glorifying the immoral acts of Muhammad.
Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

Men in the west love women in general. They respect women.
In Muslim countries, women are considered properties, not as human being.
8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the chance of rape, (God Forbid)

Women in the West are safer than women in Muslim countries. Even Muslim women are lot safer in the west than in any Muslim country. I see Muslim women in hijab sitting alone in restaurants without any fear. They are seen driving cars alone on their own. This will never happen in Muslim countries.
In Muslim countries, women get beaten up if they are alone. It is very common in NWFP of Pakistan, Afghanistan, women get killed if they are alone outside their houses. In many cases the women are raped before they are killed in order to deny them the place in heaven.
9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

I am laughing here. There is NO democracy in Islam. Democracy is purely a western concept.
10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them the human right to reach for the sky. There have been Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming Presidents in predominately Christian countries,while the Muslim countries have voted for and elected Female Presidents.

There are many women leaders in the West. Margaret Thatcer, Kim Campbell in Canada. There have been only 4 women leaders in Muslim countries. Benazur Bhutto the daughter of megalomaniac Zulfikar, 2 women in Bangladesh and one in Turkey. There are hundreds of women leaders in the west.
The fact is that Muslims are the most backward, least educated people in the world. Funny thing is they still brag that they are superior. Muslims do not have any technological or scientific achievement to their credit. There are NO significant books coming out of Muslim world. No great music, no great films or any art. Everything is mediocre in Islamic nations. Muslims glorify ignorance and violence. They know only one thing, how to brag and boast. Proof of what I am saying is in Muslim countries. Muslims are too blind to see it.


:rock: great post, keep it up
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby redjupiter58 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:59 am

Those women convert to Islam because they don't show them the true of the full face of the religion. They show them what they need to know for now. They show them the peaceful verses in the Koran (The Meccan verses). I doubt any of those women read the Koran in its all entirety.

For now they enjoy a little freedom, for example, they still go to work, they were the scarf; ie.e don't fully cover themselves. Need no permission to leave the house. They can have men friends. A ploy by Muslim to keep their freedom; i.e. for now and use them as a propaganda.

But thing will change dramatically when they start living under the Sharia law. Those women will find themselves no better than pigs.
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby redjupiter58 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:02 pm

here is a debate on a Lebanese TV, a presenter (female) and a Saudi newscaster (female) and the enlightened.

watch this

http://vodpod.com/watch/738176-why-wome ... rmudgeonly
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Re: British Women Embrace Islam In Growing

Postby Sten » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:43 am

Natassia wrote:The Bible did not convict Eve as the "original sinner." If you have read the story, you will know that she was never labeled as such. The original sinner was in fact the Serpent.


So animals can sin? Does that mean that animals can go to heaven and hell too, or be judged? :roll:
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