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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:04 am

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Obama's mother, Stanley A. Dunham, worked for Tim Giether's Father Peter Geither at the Ford Foundation. Ford Foundation is partnered with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
by DefendUSx March 21, 2009 10:32

Peter F. Geithner, Treasury Secretary Geithner's father, worked for the Ford Foundation.

Peter was director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order (NWO) operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.

Note: As many of you may already know, the Clintons also have strong ties to the Indonesia Microfinance program. They have been to Indonesia several times to "take care of their business". It is the hub of the New World Order micro-finance scheme. The same scheme that was adopted by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to trigger the collapse of the housing market. It was first instantiated by Carter (a NWO puppet), and then made increasingly effective by Clinton (another NWO puppet) by removing almost all restrictions. The Ford Foundation are partners with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Did you know that when Son of Stanley was going to school in Los Angeles, he went with a Pakistani friend to visit his mother in Indonesia, who was working for Peter Geithner at that time. After this, he spent a couple weeks in Pakistan, before he abruptly transferred to Columbia in New York where Peter Geithner was headquartered

A little more about Peter Geithner and his ties to known NWO operations:

Peter F. Geithner is an advisor to the Asia Center at Harvard University and a consultant to the Asia Pacific Philanthropy Consortium, Rockefeller Foundation, Sasakawa Peace Foundation, and other organizations. He serves on the boards of the National Committee on United States-China Relations, the China Center for Economic Research (Peking University), the Center for the Advanced Study of India (University of Pennsylvania), Clemente (Holdings) Asia, Inc., and the Institute of Current World Affairs.

Peter Geithner's obviously rather unconventional style, gives him a lot in common with Stanley Ann, considered to be a pioneer in the field of anthropological microfinance for underprivileged Asian women. Though from far different backgrounds, both parents afforded their sons with globe-trotting, exotic childhoods, culminating in Peter’s Son playing Robin to Stanley Ann’s OBatMan. Small world, huh?

According to The Atlantic, young Timmy Giethner's experiences at Dear Old Dad’s knee in Asia, even in China during the Tiananmen Square uprising, greatly influenced his life choices:

"First, his Asia background. Geithner’s father, Peter Geithner, was a development specialist who opened the Ford Foundation’s China office - the first foreign NGO here, under a special agreement that continues to this day. That was just before Tiananmen Square, and the father was part of the Foundation’s difficult but, ultimately, undoubtedly correct decision to remain engaged. Tim apparently also studied Chinese, was posted in Tokyo for Treasury, and focused on Asia studies as undergraduate and graduate student. This is all great background for Treasury’s international dealings in the coming years."

Now you can see why China is lending us all this money for Socialist/Marxist agendas? China knows that if the US is to become Socialist/Marxist, our country will no longer lead the world in innovation and technology. China has their own plans for world "hemogany". In fact, Chinese leaders know that Communism doesn't work, and this is why they have adopted a simulation model of Western government through their "Strategic Moderization Objective".

There is also a solid link between the Islamic Banking Cooperative, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, The Ford Foundation, Devron Bank of Chicago and the Bank of Indonesia (Stanley A. Dunham was a research coordinator at this bank and a program officer for the Ford Foundation).

Devron began selling Islamic home refinancing products for Muslims to Freddie Mac (see below).

CHICAGOLAND, ILLINOIS – Devon Bank today announced it would begin selling its Islamic home financing products to Freddie Mac, effectively expanding opportunities for Muslims living in Illinois and nine other states to become homeowners while observing traditional Islamic restrictions on paying interest on mortgages and other types of debt. Based in McLean, Va., Freddie Mac is one of the nation's largest investors in mortgages and Islamic home financing products.


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:16 am

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New discovery links Dunham aliases to Dunham front companies and real-estate transactions
by DefendUSx March 24, 2009 17:23

"The real reason is that Madelyn's Dad worked for Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company. In 1973 David Rockefeller founded the Trilateral Commission (TC) with the Marxist-praising Zbigniew Brzezinski as its director. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a foreign policy advisor to Obama. What these Trilateralists truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation-states involved. The place to start is with the banks and developement of "predatory lending" schemes that would eventually collapse Capitalism and pave the way for Socialism. It should also be noted that Stanley Dunham (Obama's grandfather) started an Oil company for Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia called Mobil Oil.. so that Standard Oil could make transfers to Indonesia using Lolo's Oil front. Tweny-percent of the Standard Oil company's Oil went to powering German Submarines during WWII using a different Oil front in Indonesia prior to Lolos."

We can now see how the Middle East and Western Globalists (Rockefellers etc.) connections started above. It is also why anyone part of this globalist micro-finance scheme (including the Clintons) using the old Muslim money system of hawala with modern credit card laundering, including ATM transfers with the direct quid pro quo involving non profits and the indirect infiltration of funds via some very connected Muslim billionaires, topped off with the public airwaves as a public paid for propaganda ministry, has deep ties between the Indonesian and certain US banking systems over the course of several decades.

On to some research ..................................................................................................................................................

An alias for Stanley Ann Dunham was found as a “relative/associate” of Madelyn L. Dunham, Honolulu, HI: “Kelly A. Dunham.”

Dunhams had only one daughter, Stanley Ann. Therefore, Kelly Ann, who does not seem to have any other history, is likely an alias for Stanley Ann.

An alias search for Stanley Ann at recordsarea.com shows the following information:

* Kelly A. Dunham, associate/relative of Madelyn L. Dunham, Honolulu, HI;
* Kelly A. Shippleck (Kelly A. Dunham), Phoenix, AZ [is this a third marriage or an alias for real estate/money laundering?].
* Sandra Dunham (Sandra Lee Dunham), OH, FL
* Susan N. Dunham, HI, CA. Ste (Stephen) Dunham, Honolulu, HI (Stanley Ann chooses another male name?)
* Stephen O. Dunham, Honolulu, HI
* Scott A. Dunham, (Stanley Ann chooses a second male name?), HI, WA, OR, TN, VA, IN.

A lot of research has been done on the ominous real-estate scams by the Dunham family and their partners. Some of the research links this money-laundering scheme using counterfeit money and stolen credit card info back to Lebananon.

Ann Dunham was possibly not an America citizen - and went to school in Beirut, Lebanon. Possibly, the family was smuggled into the US as spies. No wonder Obama refuses to show his BC. Take a look at the image below:

Those initials on her jumper are reported to stand for: College Notre Dame de Jamhour in east Lebanon. It is typical of the ‘50’s to have your clothes monogrammed.

Now .. back to topic.

There is also a Marriage notice from Kelly A Dunham to a James Allen in 1999 (bocweb.dlnrbc.hawaii.gov)

Document No:
O135737
Fee:
$10.00
Recorded:
1999-07-15
Class:

LCO
Grantor(s):
ALLEN KELLY L ETAL
DUNHAM JAMES T ETAL
DUNHAM KELLY A ETAL
Grantee(s):

Description:
NOTED ON CT 462913 MARRIAGE

Note according to records, Kelly A. Dunham passed on in 2007:

KELLY ANN DUNHAM (born)08 Nov 1964 (died)19 Feb 2007 (V) 14094 (Lockport, Niagara, NY) (none specified) (SS number)079-52-7004 New York

There is a connection to:

Ann Dunham
Kelly Dunham
Patricia Dunham

I searched Patricia Dunham and it comes up with that James T. Allen (James T Dunham) connection just as Kelly Dunham does.

Document No:
L2115186
Fee:
$10.00
Recorded:
1994-02-03
Class:
AM
Grantor(s):
DUNHAM JAMES T &WF
DUNHAM PATRICIA A &HSB
Grantee(s):
GENTRY MTG CO LTD
Description:
NOTED ON CT 423875 MTG 2076542

A new discovery - as previously, Patricia A. Dunham was linked only as the registrant to the Dunham foreign profit company, Dunham Enterprises (see below). The records above directly link both Kelly A. Dunham and Patricia A. Dunham to James T. Allen (Dunham). It means both aliases are/were used by the same person - Stanley A. Dunham. It is now clear that Stanley A. registered this business using the Patricia A. Dunham alias:

TRADE NAME DUNHAM ENTERPRISES FILE NUMBER 321149 ZZ CERTIFICATE NUMBER 4034202 STATUS Active PURPOSE CONSULTING EXPIRATION DATE Jun 27, 2010 REGISTRATION DATE Jun 28, 2005 MAILING ADDRESS 1134 KINAU ST #901 HONOLULU, Hawaii 96814 UNITED STATES REGISTRANT PATRICIA ANN DUNHAM

If Patricia A. Dunham is an alias for Stanly A. Dunham (which the records above irrefutably suggest), according to the registration date of said business above, it would have to mean that Stanley A. Dunham is still alive and that she didn't pass away. I guess now you can see why the hospital in Hawaii that was said to have taken care of Stanley A. prior to her death has no knowledge or records of her having been there.

The address of this business (when viewing Google Maps) is only one block away from where Madelyn Dunham was said to live.

Stanley A. also spelled her last name "Sutoro instead of Soetoro" on some real-estate transactions. You can see this below:

Document No:
B20784528
Fee:
$5.00
Recorded:
1987-06-16
Class:
R
Grantor(s):
DUNHAM STANLEY A
SIMLOG LEASING CORP
SUTORO STANLEY A D
Grantee(s):
DUBEY KRISHNA ETALS
GARRETT RICHMOND ETALS
MORRIS ELDON W ETALS
SHAW JOHN ETALS
SWAN DONALD ETALS
U S A IRS
TMK:

Description:
JDGT IN 17656/556 &C

SIMLOG (see record above) is/was a leasing company — it was a HI registered business but a Washington State Corp. (registered originally in Washington State)

State of HI de-listed/de-certified SIMLOG for failure to file annual reports of some kind.

Research indicates Obama’s mother was the front (was a corporate officer) of this business — and may be connected to the IRS Lien against her.

All the players in this game of hoarding US tax$ and doing money laundering schemes have solid connections. In fact, there is even a solid connection between Obama and Thomas Ayers (Bill Ayers father). The same holds true for Peter Geithner (Treasury Secretary Geithner's father). The Fathers of these men were all involved in real-estate schemes while each one claiming to be a "Philanthropist" (aka Communist) and setting up fronts to funnel in Grant money.

The Obama-Ayers connection has been presumed to be only that between Obama and William Ayers. However, there is a direct Obama-Ayers connection between Obama and Thomas G. Ayers (photo), father of William Ayers and the retired president and CEO of Commonwealth Edison, that predates the 2005 mortgage with Northern Trust.

According to the 2001 annual report of the Chicago Public Education Fund, Thomas Ayers and Barack Obama both served as members of the Fund’s Leadership Council.

Here it should be mentioned that until May 1994, when he had passed the Company’s mandatory retirement age of 75, and was therefore no longer up for re-election, Thomas G. Ayers served on the Finance Committee of the General Dynamics Corp. board of directors with Lester Crown, the largest share holder. It just so happens that Northern Trust was the trustee of the corporation’s Salaried Savings Plan and the Hourly Savings Plan overseen by the Committee.

The Obama/Geithner connection:

Peter F. Geithner, Treasury Secretary Geithner's father, worked for the Ford Foundation.

Peter was director of the Asia program at the Ford Foundation, a New World Order (NWO) operation. Peter Geithner oversaw the "microfinance" programs developed in Indonesia by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, Barack Obama’s mother.

Did you know that when Son of Stanley was going to school in Los Angeles, he went with a Pakistani friend to visit his mother in Indonesia, who was working for Peter Geithner at that time. After this, he spent a couple weeks in Pakistan, before he abruptly transferred to Columbia in New York where Peter Geithner was headquartered

And now you ask, what about the Saudi Arabia connection?

It wreaks of more real-estate fraud (how'd you guess?) Remember Tony Rezko? A Saudi national. Tony Rezko had direct contact to Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia. Obama charmed Rezko as Senator, letting Rezko set up illegal real-estate scams in Obama's Chicago district. Obama got major kick-backs from the illegal Rezko land deals. He also got major donations from his new Sugar Daddy, Prince Alwaleed. Alwaleed was ripe for the plucking, because Alwaleed has been trying to buy up America and control certain businesses, including the media. For example, Alwaleed has millions of shares in Fox News (among other media stations). He bragged about telling Fox to change their tune on Obama or else he'd pull his stock.

These radical Muslims all have a common goal - to destroy Israel. It is why Obama has all the Iranian connections as well. The plan is to build up Iran big-time using US tax$ (including their long-arm Hamas). Obama has funneled a lot of US tax$ to Iran through a front company called the "Earthquake Relief Fund" set up by one of Obama's clients (AHMAD P BARAVAT) when he was practicing Law.Guess what Obama was defending Ahmad for? You gessed it right again .. real-estate money laundering. You can see Ahmad wasn't even that creative with his aliases, but made certain he used the name every Muslim can identify with:

[Street addresses edited out]

AHMAD P BARAVATI - CAPE GIRARDEAU MO 63703
AHMAD P BARAVATI - COLUMBIA MO 65202
AHMAD P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60614
AHMAD P BARAVATI - HIGHLAND PARK IL 60035
AHMAD P BARAVATI - HIGHLAND PARK IL 60035
AHMAD P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60657
AHMAD P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60613

HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60611
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60605
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - FOREST PARK IL 60130
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60645
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60657
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60613
HOSSEIN P BARAVATI - CHICAGO IL 60657
HOSSEIN BARAVATTI - CINCINNATI OH 45136

So, now do you think "leaking" the blueprints for Marine One to Iran through a Peer-to-Peer network by Obama was a mistake??

You sure didn't hear it via the MSM, but Computerworld reported it, but with a very nice spin to it as to not be criticized:

From ComputerWorld:

"Classified information about the communications, navigation and management electronics on Marine One, the helicopter now used by President Barack Obama, were reportedly discovered in a publicly available shared folder on a computer in Tehran, Iran, after apparently being accidentally leaked over a peer-to-peer file-sharing network. "


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:51 am

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FBI: Undercover Operation Results in Fraud Charges against Professionals in the Mortgage Loan...
by DefendUSx April 09, 2009 08:53

Comment: This is great - catching those that are part of the Chicago Muslim Real-Estate Money Laundering Syndicate .. the same crime syndicate Obama took part in. To see info on the Dunhams' using the same scheme ... see the links on the far right. They need to get Obama and the Dunhams on this too.


Read the rest HERE



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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:50 pm

piggy wrote:Obama's mother was/is a CIA officer.

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby THHuxley » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:54 pm

piggy wrote:So, now do you think "leaking" the blueprints for Marine One to Iran through a Peer-to-Peer network by Obama was a mistake??


1. The "plans" were not for Marine One. Marine One is a Sikorsky V-3. The "plans" were for a Sikorsky VH-60. Completely different helicopters.

2. The "plans" were old and unclassified.

3. They were for the base copter, and had no information regarding communications, avionics or security equipment.

4. They were leaked prior to Jun 2008... i.e. by the Bush Administration, not the Obama Administration.

Lesson learned?

No anti-Obama theory is too stupid or too phony for piggy's taste.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Chiclets » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:56 pm

Disenfranchised people lose all sense and sensibility and often use non-issues as a vent for their individual frustrations of not being in control.
gupsfu wrote:When someone uses the "taken out of context" argument without explaining what it's really supposed to mean, you know he's lying.

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Skenderbeg » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:08 pm

what a disgrace to all American's and veterians who fight and protect this country to be atttacked by obamas goons. The nazis would be proud of the propaganda these hyped up lies and misinforamtion coming out of the deparment of home land security

well done Janet from another planet, the same person who won't use the word terrorist or Islamic terror, but is happy and willing to call patriot american soilders terrorist......what a shame, as an immigrant to this great country i never thought i would see something this shameful like this political facist report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... cs/fedpage

Napolitano Defends Report on Extremism

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano responded yesterday to widespread criticism of a leaked domestic intelligence report warning local law enforcement agencies to be on guard for right-wing extremist groups seeking new recruits amid the nation's economic troubles.

"Let me be very clear: we monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States," Napolitano said in a written statement issued by her department. "We don't have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence."

The department's office of intelligence and analysis distributed the report to state and local law enforcement agencies April 7. The office regularly publishes intelligence analyses of domestic and international threats to the nation's borders and infrastructure.

The report drew sharp criticism from Republican lawmakers, conservatives and veterans groups, who said it unfairly targeted returning military veterans and gun rights advocates without citing specific threats. The report said the return of military veterans facing challenges with reintegrating into their communities "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."


"To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable," House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) said in a statement. "The Department of Homeland Security owes our veterans an apology."

American Legion National Commander David K. Rehbein sent a letter to Napolitano calling the report incomplete and politically biased. The secretary plans to meet with Rehbein next week when she returns from a series of trips, according to her statement.

Aides said privately that the secretary regrets that critics have construed the report's language to suggest that the department perceives a threat from veterans, noting that the department's various agencies employ thousands of military veterans and that some of Napolitano's deputies once served in uniform.

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs," Napolitano said in the statement. "We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people, including subjecting our activities to rigorous oversight from numerous internal and external sources."



She was not defending it this morning but making plenty excuses, when she was asked did she see the report and sign off on it
she began to double triple talk like any politicans who got busted and couldn't defend the report with any real facts..

what a shame and a disgrace.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:07 pm

Skenderbeg wrote:what a disgrace to all American's and veterians who fight and protect this country to be atttacked by obamas goons. The nazis would be proud of the propaganda these hyped up lies and misinforamtion coming out of the deparment of home land security

well done Janet from another planet, the same person who won't use the word terrorist or Islamic terror, but is happy and willing to call patriot american soilders terrorist......what a shame, as an immigrant to this great country i never thought i would see something this shameful like this political facist report.

Spoiler! :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041503390.html?wprss=rss_politics/fedpage

Napolitano Defends Report on Extremism

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano responded yesterday to widespread criticism of a leaked domestic intelligence report warning local law enforcement agencies to be on guard for right-wing extremist groups seeking new recruits amid the nation's economic troubles.

"Let me be very clear: we monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States," Napolitano said in a written statement issued by her department. "We don't have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence."

The department's office of intelligence and analysis distributed the report to state and local law enforcement agencies April 7. The office regularly publishes intelligence analyses of domestic and international threats to the nation's borders and infrastructure.

The report drew sharp criticism from Republican lawmakers, conservatives and veterans groups, who said it unfairly targeted returning military veterans and gun rights advocates without citing specific threats. The report said the return of military veterans facing challenges with reintegrating into their communities "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."


"To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable," House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) said in a statement. "The Department of Homeland Security owes our veterans an apology."

American Legion National Commander David K. Rehbein sent a letter to Napolitano calling the report incomplete and politically biased. The secretary plans to meet with Rehbein next week when she returns from a series of trips, according to her statement.

Aides said privately that the secretary regrets that critics have construed the report's language to suggest that the department perceives a threat from veterans, noting that the department's various agencies employ thousands of military veterans and that some of Napolitano's deputies once served in uniform.

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs," Napolitano said in the statement. "We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people, including subjecting our activities to rigorous oversight from numerous internal and external sources."



She was not defending it this morning but making plenty excuses, when she was asked did she see the report and sign off on it
she began to double triple talk like any politicans who got busted and couldn't defend the report with any real facts..

what a shame and a disgrace.


Be prepared for a lot more of this. The Left's blame-America-first mantra has been growing exponentially over the decades. Now, they don't even have to try and pretend that they are loyal.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Redray » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:10 am

Keep up the good work;


Barack Obama discloses Bush 'torture' methods including use of insects.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sects.html

The interrogation techniques sanctioned by George Bush's administration were disclosed by Barack Obama last night to avoid "an inaccurate accounting of the past," which would "fuel erroneous and inflammatory assumptions about actions taken by the United States."

Certain aspects of the documents are redacted – including the names of CIA officials – but the four memos written by Bush lawyers as a guideline for interrogators offer an unprecedented look inside the methods used as the perpetrators of 9/11 and their cohorts were hunted down.

Water-boarding, which is banned by international human rights law, was one of the 'torture' methods used.

The Justice Department memo dated May 10, 2005, admitted that "we find that the use of the waterboard constitutes a threat of imminent death". "It creates in the subject the uncontrollable physiological sensation that the subject is drowning."

However, it said, "in the absence of prolonged mental harm, no severe mental pain or suffering would have been inflicted, and the use of these procedures would not constitute torture within the meaning of the statute".

Other methods included placing an insect in a "confinement box", was used as a tactic against Abu Zubaydah, the first top al-Qaeda member to be seized. Interrogators planned to tell Zubaydah they were putting a stinging inset in the box but it would actually be harmless "such as a caterpillar".

In "walling", the interrogator was allowed to pull a detainee towards him then slam him against a "flexible false wall" in a technique designed to create a loud sound and shock the prisoner. A detainee may be walled once to make a point or 20 to 30 times when interrogation required "a more significant response to a question".

Sleep deprivation methods included shackling prisoners in a standing position for two or three days, and in one case for 180 hours.

The memos regularly stress how the methods would limit "severe mental pain or suffering" and so avoid crossing the line into torture.

Scientific attention was paid to keeping up prisoners' food and liquid intake. "Calorie requirement: the CIA follows as a guideline a calorie requirement of 900 kcal/day + 10 kcal/kg/day," one memo read.

The CIA, which two years ago announced it had stopped waterboarding, aimed to exploit Muslim detainees' unease at being naked.

"Nudity: This technique is used to cause psychological discomfort, particularly if a detainee, for culture or other reasons, is especially modest," a memo recommended.

The memos were authored in 2002 and 2005 by Jay Bybee and Steven Bradbury, who at the time were lawyers for George W Bush's Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby planck » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:44 am

Other methods included placing an insect in a "confinement box", was used as a tactic against Abu Zubaydah, the first top al-Qaeda member to be seized. Interrogators planned to tell Zubaydah they were putting a stinging inset in the box but it would actually be harmless "such as a caterpillar".

I don't think this one is torture though. I'm pretty sure I could survive a stinging insect----Say a bee, biting fly, or a fire ant, or even a chigger. I might get agitated if it were maybe a giant japanese hornet though. I saw a special on them once, and they are some mean things. About 30 of them can take down an entire beehive, but I'm not sure how bad their sting would be (no pun intended).

But I guess I would start getting nervous if it were something venomous like a Black widow spider or a scorpion. These things could potentially kill you. And I'm sure a bunch of tarantulas could be pretty scary. There's a giant, bird-eating, variety that's from South america.

Even a beetle, mosquito, or a hissing cockroach wouldn't be that terrifying. It'd be like those people on fear factor that get placed in that glass coffin filled with bugs.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:13 am

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Serious Wake-up call America
by DefendUSx April 16, 2009 17:22

From Michael Hopper:

H E L L O!........Wake Up America....I WONDERED, IS THIS POSSIBLE?
SO I LOOKED IT UP IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER.
SURE ENOUGH THERE IT WAS.
BELOW IS A LINK TO THE FEDERAL REGISTER ENTRY.
http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2 ... 04-E9-2488

Usurper Barack Obama has signed an executive order presidential determination allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to settle in the United Statesat American taxpayers' expense. Sure, what can go wrong when we allow hundreds of thousands of people who have been, as Mark Steyn memorably described, "marinated" in a "sick death cult," who voted for Hamas, and 55% of whom support suicide bombing/murders in the United States.

By executive order, Usurper Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in immigration assistance to the Palestinians.Egyptwon't take them.Jordanwon't take them.Syriawon't take them.Saudi Arabiawon't take them. All of the Arab countries - every one of them - has allowed the Palestinians to fester for over 60 years. Meanwhile, generation after generation have become more and more radicalized. Their lives are unproductive - they "live" to die as mart rs - yearning for the rewards of the world beyond.

The "presidential determination" will allow hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States. The determination was assigned on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4. Usurper Obama's decision, according to the Register, was necessitated by "the urgent refugee and migration needs" of the "victims."

Few on Capitol Hill took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let's review some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since he was inaugurated a little more than two weeks ago:

* His first call to any head of state as president was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.

* His first one-on-one interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.

* He ordered GuantanamoBayclosed and all military trials of detainees halted.

* He ordered all overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.

* He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and 9/11 .

* Today we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to and live in theUSat American taxpayer expense.


Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

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And he gave 900 million to a Hamas front company in Palestine. Hamas are directly linked funded and trained by the Iranian Theocracy.

The pattern is clear. Obama is an agent of Islam (likely the radical sort). He also bowed and kiss-pecked the Saudi King's ring. The other heads of state were laughing and confused by his awkward action . Muslim subjects kiss the ring of their master .. this is a truism in the Muslim world.

Also, he hasn't been to church since election, and the church he did attend had the Hamas Manifesto on the wall. Pastor Wright was a Muslim only one year before (as cited in a popular public magazine pointed out by Rush Limbaugh) becoming Christian. Fact is, Muslims rarely become Christians.

Another thing to note, is a lot of in his recent administrative assignments are Muslims!

He doesn't believe in celebrating Christmas. The list goes on and on. There is absolutely no question about it - Obama is Muslim.


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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby piggy » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:16 am

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Obama can't stand Jesus, but sure loves Allah. A symbol of Jesus was blacked out during a speech he gave in Georgetown
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By JIM IOVINO of nbcwashington.com

Amidst all of the American flags and presidential seals, there was something missing when President Barack Obama gave an economic speech at Georgetown University this week -- Jesus.
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A decision to cover up a symbol of Jesus for the president's speech at Georgetown is upsetting many.

The White House asked Georgetown to cover a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name in Gaston Hall, which Obama used for his speech, according to CNSNews.com.

The gold "IHS" monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day, CNSNews.com reported.

The Washington Times' Belief Blog asked the university about the presidential request:

Julie Bataille from the university's press office e-mailed me that the White House had asked that all university signage and symbols behind the stage in Gaston Hall be covered.

"The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they've done for other policy speeches," she wrote. "Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn't high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context."

While the "IHS" directly behind where Obama spoke was covered over, CNSNews.com said the monogram was still visible in 26 other places in the hall during his speech. Those areas just weren't as prominent.

The Belief Blog talked with the Rev. Thomas Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Institute at Georgetown University, who said he didn't think "this is motivated by theology, but by communications strategy."

The blog also talked with Catholic University spokesman Victor Nakas, who felt a bit more strongly on the subject:

"I can’t imagine, as the bishops’ university and the national university of the Catholic Church, that we would ever cover up our religious art or signage for any reason," Mr. Nakas wrote. "Our Catholic faith is integral to our identity as an institution of higher education."



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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:28 pm

The administration that condoned torture...

Call That Bluff Immediately
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Scott Horton reports that Senate Republicans are threatening to filibuster several of Obama's legal appointees if he decides to publicly release the various Bush administration memos authorizing torture techniques (...) the motivation for this threatened filibuster is almost surreal in its degeneracy.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with the nominees themselves and everything to do with preventing the further public embarrassment of Bush administration officials who authorized illegal torture techniques against detainees. This is apparently what animates the modern GOP.

There's really only one way to respond to this sort of a threat, and that's to call the GOP's bluff. (...) Once the cat is out of the bag and the media attention has focused on the content of the memos (which will be completely indefensible from a legal or political standpoint), the baseness of the GOP's motives here will be on full display. The memos will underscore the correctness of the statements that Koh and Johnsen have made that put them in the GOP's cross hairs to begin with. The Obama administration cannot let the GOP get away with this sort of blackmail.


http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/04/hold ... ge-to.html
The real resistance, it appears, is to the public disclosure of an official government document approving specific techniques that amount to torture. This degree of specificity and the government's request for approval of specific techniques does not appear in the original torture memos already released to the public. It is one thing to read a memo reading the torture statute ridiculously narrowly; it is another to read a memo stating that the OLC has been asked whether techniques X, Y, and Z violate the criminal law and reaching the conclusion that the law permits them or else the law is unconstitutional. Reading such memos brings us much closer to a specific government order to engage in torture. (...)

One thing is clear. Astute politicians must have judged that the disclosure of these torture memos may significantly change the stakes of politics. They fear that these memos will have a powerful effect on public opinion. That, however, is another reason not to give into this form of political blackmail against Koh and Johnsen and release the memos immediately. Once these documents are released, it will be harder to keep out of government people who have condemned torture and illegality for a very long time.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:31 pm

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Earth to Michelle Malkin
Michelle Malkin is completely bent out of shape over the release of a Department of Homeland Security report analyzing the risk of violence in the coming years from radical right wing extremist groups. One of the report's rather obvious conclusions is that the combination of the current economic climate (record unemployment) and the current political climate (Democrats in control the government, black man with Muslim-sounding name as President) is a recipe for increased violence among fringe right wing groups.

Malkin seems to think this report represents some sort of plot by leftists in the Obama administration to target people like herself and her merry band of teabaggers. Implicit in her rant is the notion that there couldn't possibly be any legitimate concerns underlying this report. The reality, though, is that this report was almost surely written by a career analyst at DHS, not a partisan operative, and its conclusions are as obvious as they are non-controversial.

I wonder if Malkin happens to remember what the single deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil was prior to 9/11. That's right, it was the 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people (many of them children) and wounded over 800. And it was carried out by right wing extremists. (...)

There's a huge irony in Malkin's paranoia, too. For the last few years, she and her pals have been vigorously defending the Bush administration's claimed authority to conduct warrantless domestic surveillance in violation of the law. But those very laws were put in place to protect people like Malkin from exactly the kind of abuse she now fears. Luckily for Malkin, it's very unlikely that the Obama administration would ever claim the authority to violate those laws, which means that if DHS wants to listen to her inane and delusional conversations, it'll have to get a warrant.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby The Cat » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:47 pm

Mindstorm wrote:
The Cat wrote:Go kill liberals!
So for 8 years you had no problem with the liberals working with the Islamists and trying to destroy the Constitution? You, also had no problem with them trying to undermine Bush for the entire 8 years? But now you claim you are offended. Shameful display by you.

In your paranoid frenzy, you've got it all upside down. There's no more bitter enemy to Islam than the liberal mindset, of which basic made the Declaration of Independence & The Constitution, inspired by the very liberal John Locke. It was Bush who not only created the financial crisis but also gave the US a worldwide bad name. As for the respect of the Constitution and of its Amendments, Bush trampled most of them! Later still, Mindstorm-front go on daring to quote FrontPage Mag and David Horowitz, while pretending to be on the 'patriotic side'.
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On which side here is the 'shameful display'?
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This partial quoting was referring to:
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Fox News is playing an increasingly erratic and dangerous game by embracing the type of paranoid insurrection rhetoric that people like Poplawski are now acting on? By stoking dark fears about the ominous ruins that await an Obama America, by ratcheting up irresponsible back-to-the-wall scenarios, Fox News has waded into a territory that no other news organization has ever dared to exploit. (...)

The consequences of Fox News' doomsday programming now seem entirely predictable. As Jeffrey Jones, a professor of media and politics at Old Dominion University, recently explained to The New York Times in regard to Beck's rhetoric, "People hear their values are under attack and they get worried. It becomes an opportunity for them to stand up and do something." People like Richard Poplawski? (...)

When investigators went to Adkisson's home in search of a motive (...) they found copies of Savage's Liberalism is a Mental Disorder, Let Freedom Ring by Sean Hannity, and The O'Reilly Factor, by Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. They also came across what was supposed to have been Adkisson's suicide note: (...)The three-word answer? He hated liberals. The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just Kill yourself. Do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals!

This is what the Neocons, such as Mindstorm, are dressing the table for with their McCarthyist liberal frenzy witch-hunt, inciting more Richard Poplasky and Jim Adkisson! Last time the liberals were so demonized was in the 20s/30s Germanic Weimar Republic! What the Neocons are after is to get rid of all societies' checking organizations so to assure their propaganda to prevail and then introduce an Orwellian 'patriotic' dictatorship.

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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Chiclets » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:51 pm

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gupsfu wrote:When someone uses the "taken out of context" argument without explaining what it's really supposed to mean, you know he's lying.

Muslims are so secure in their faith that they need to kill those who don’t share it.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Skenderbeg » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:56 pm

These same techniques are used on U,S soldiers in training, including water boarding.
making someone stand up for a couple of days is not torture, unpleasant yes.
American violent prisoners get worse treatment they are put in isolation cells 23 hours day for months
or even years, to me that is far worse then anything we did to a hand full of evil terrorist
after 9/11. its amusing to see some radical leftist crying over these terrorists and say nothing
about the far worse treatment of Americans in our prisons and these same crying bleeding heart
leftist are in love with dictatorships like Fidel Castro of Cuba, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Iran.

you have liberals crying over dictators and not a word
about the torture of innocent men women and children in there country.

They are only to happy to go to party with them
anyone seen the black congress members in Cuba?
they were literally crying they were so in love
with this Fascist Leftist Castro.

Again not a word about human rights abuses.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:57 pm

The Cat wrote:
Mindstorm wrote:
The Cat wrote:Go kill liberals!
So for 8 years you had no problem with the liberals working with the Islamists and trying to destroy the Constitution? You, also had no problem with them trying to undermine Bush for the entire 8 years? But now you claim you are offended. Shameful display by you.

In your paranoid frenzy, you've got it all upside down.


Your buddies (and I sure you) have been marching along side the Islamists for the longest of times. You can see evidence of it all of American campuses, in street protests, and in news article you see see the leftists defending the intolerance of the Islamists.

I also have no doubt that if the FFI server is in America that there will be a challenge to have it taken off the Internet. The Leftists and Muslim Student Association have formed an alliance and with the help of the ACLU, I'm sure there will be a challenge to take this site down.

I know that if the challenge is successful that should make you happy as you have outed yourself as a leftist loon a long time ago.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:09 pm

I guess the forums Obamanuts are going to try to paint Thompson as hidden member of the "vast right-wing conspiracy cabal." Nay -- he's a Democrat and although I disagree with his stance on many topics -- he clearly is a concerned citizen that loves America. Not like those leftist loons.

"Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was "dumbfounded" such a report would be issued."

Top Dem 'dumbfounded' by 'extremism' report

The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identifying veterans as potential terrorist threats.

Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was "dumbfounded" such a report would be issued.

"This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans -- including war veterans," Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.

• Click here to download a PDF of the report.

"As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans -- whether a person's beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are 'extremist' or not," Mr. Thompson said.

The report "blurred the line," and Mr. Thompson said he is "disappointed and surprised that the department would allow this report to be disseminated" to law enforcement officials nationwide.

Also Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano issued a statement standing by the report, which she personally had reviewed before it was issued. She insisted that DHS never would investigate based on political ideology and agreed to meet the head of the American Legion, who already had expressed anger over the report.

The Washington Times reported Tuesday that the department's Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) released a report titled Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment on April 7. It identified as potential terrorist threats people who collect guns, veterans, supporters of border control, and pro-life advocates.

"I am particularly struck by the report's conclusion which states that I&A 'will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization,'" Mr. Thompson said, demanding to know what types of activities DHS had planned for "the next several months."
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

Postby Mindstorm » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Satire on the MSM.

Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle On Obama's Double-Homicide

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WASHINGTON—More than a week after President Barack Obama's cold-blooded killing of a local couple, members of the American news media admitted Tuesday that they were still trying to find the best angle for covering the gruesome crime.

"I know there's a story in there somewhere," said Newsweek editor Jon Meacham, referring to Obama's home invasion and execution-style slaying of Jeff and Sue Finowicz on Apr. 8. "Right now though, it's probably best to just sit back and wait for more information to come in. After all, the only thing we know for sure is that our president senselessly murdered two unsuspecting Americans without emotion or hesitation."

Added Meacham, "It's not so cut and dried."

Since the killings took place, reporters across the country have struggled to come up with an appropriate take on the ruthless crime, with some wondering whether it warrants front-page coverage, and others questioning its relevance in a fast-changing media landscape.

"What exactly is the news hook here?" asked Rick Kaplan, executive producer of the CBS Evening News. "Is this an upbeat human-interest story about a 'day in the life' of a bloodthirsty president who likes to kill people? Or is it more of an examination of how Obama's unusual upbringing in Hawaii helped to shape the way he would one day viciously butcher two helpless citizens in their own home?"

"Or maybe the story is just that murder is cool now," Kaplan continued. "I don't know. There are a million different angles on this one."

So far, the president's double-homicide has not been covered by any major news outlets. The only two mentions of the heinous tragedy have been a 100-word blurb on the Associated Press wire and an obituary on page E7 of this week's edition of the Lake County Examiner.

While Obama has expressed no remorse for the grisly murders—point-blank shootings with an unregistered .38-caliber revolver—many journalists said it would be irresponsible for the press to sensationalize the story.

"There's been some debate around the office about whether we should report on this at all," Washington Post senior reporter Bill Tracy said while on assignment at a local dog show. "It's enough of a tragedy without the press jumping in and pointing fingers or, worse, exploiting the violence. Plus, we need to be sensitive to the victims' families at this time. Their loved ones were brutally, brutally murdered, after all."

Nevertheless, a small contingent of independent journalists has begun to express its disapproval and growing shock over the president's actions.

"I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but we are in the midst of an economic crisis here," political pundit Marcus Reid said. "Why was our president ritualistically dismembering the corpses of his prey when he should have been working on a new tax proposal for small businesses? I, for one, am outraged."

The New York Times newsroom is reportedly still undecided on whether or not to print a recent letter received from Obama, in which the president threatens to kill another helpless citizen every Tuesday and "fill [his] heavenly palace with slaves for the afterlife" unless the police "stop the darkness from screaming."

"President Obama's letter presents us with a classic journalistic quandary," executive editor Bill Keller said. "If we print it, then we're giving him control over the kinds of stories we choose to run. It would be an acknowledgment that we somehow give the nation's commander in chief special treatment."

Added Keller, "And that's just not how the press in this country works.
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