The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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The Cat wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:Oops again CAT In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies." FYI In the State School he attended it is NOT compulsory for all pupils to study the Koran ONLY Muslims are required to do so and it is DEFINITELY not compulsory to study the Quoran in the MULTI FAITH Francis Assisi Catholic run school he attended and where as a REGISTERED MUSLIM he also took Koranic Studies. He was also registered as a MUSLIM in both the schools he attended AND friends and Teachers remember him as a DEVOUT Mohammedan (...)
Obama -made faces- during Koranic studies, so the teacher had to write to his mother. And that's a prove he was a DEVOUT Mohammedan, says Pragmatist. Once you get to know the Neocon mindset, you'll see that apocalyptic false analogy, such as this, is their trademark.

False analogies are the sine qua non of the Neocon mindset. They'll drown you with them. It's also the basic of all conspiracy theories of which Neocons feed their worshipers with. Once you see their constant analogy falsity, Neocons are -nothing- but be fear-mongered. Here, the false analogy being that since Obama studied in a multi-faith school in Indonesia at age 8 to 10, he's still 'obviously' a 'devout' Muslim!

I note you don't even TRY to deny he TOOK NON COMPULSORY ISLAMIC STUDIES which ONLY MUSLIM pupils take how pathetic you are grasping at the STRAW of him misbehaving in class as if that PROVES he was not a MUSLIM and as if MUSLIM children NEVER misbehave you really do take the prize for most IDIOTIC Obama defense theory yet :prop: :prop:

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There is nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school) run by Wahabbists, and in any case it's unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-mindedness. (...)

CNN has tracked down the school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster described as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," he told CNN. A classmate of Obama's described the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending.
Not to mention that in the 60s Indonesia was far less committed to Islam than it is now! False analogy still to raise hatred from fear!
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CNN debunks false report about Obama
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"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment." Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes. "I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it." "It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school." The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
Appallingly irresponsible is the Neocon agenda of spewing industrial false analogies, of which conspiracy theories are made of. Nothing can kill such theories except plain common good sense, because they come out from our superstitious primitive encroachment.

The belief in 'bad spirit' or Jinn: With the Neocons, it's Halloween all year long...
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You know CAT you should get your head out of your 'its all a CONSPIRACY and everything is is the NEO CONS faults' arse you are just making yourself look even more of a left wing idiotic MOONBAT than we know you are.

If it looks like a duck walks like a duck and qwacks like a duck chances are its a Duck and Obama is really one big DUCK
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THIS is the so called CHRISTIAN CHURCH the LIAR Messiah attended for 20 YEARS, what a VERY small step from his MOHAMMEDAN upbringing Still think he is CHRISTIAN deluded CAT?


Barack Obama has closely aligned himself with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Black Liberation Theology (BLT). When viewed from the Christian point-of-view, BLT is a strange creed, but when seen from the standpoint of Islam, there is a very strong parallel.

Islam and BLT are theologies that have a political goal of making all politics submit to their demands. Submission is the political goal.

Islam and BLT are both based upon the principle of duality. The Koran divides up humanity into Muslims and the kafirs (unbelievers). BLT has a god that divides humanity into blacks and whites. But the duality is not the division, but a complete separation that is ethical, political, cultural and religious. The believer has nothing in common with the kafir/white. Allah loves the Muslim and a black god loves the blacks.

Allah preaches violence against the kafirs and helps Muslims to kill them. The Koran says that cruelty and hatred of the kafir is a sacred duty for Muslims.

BLT does not preach violence against whites, but excuses and justifies it. BLT also justifies black crime as a legal way for oppressed blacks to strike back at the white oppressors. It sees a rapist or killer of whites as a revolutionary committing a legitimate act of a just war. Here we have a quote from James Cone, the father of BLT:

"What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any and all means at their disposal" [James Cone, A Black Theology of Liberation, p. 70]

Neither Islam nor BLT ever acknowledges the suffering of its enemies. Jihad has killed over 270 million kafirs over the last 1400 years, but there has never been any acknowledgment of the destruction of kafirs. In Mohammed's official biography, the Sira, there are hundreds of pages devoted to jihad against the kafirs. There is not one time when Mohammed expressed remorse about the beheading, torturing, killing, raping and robbery of the kafirs. Indeed, there are many occasions when he laughed at the kafirs' suffering.

The duality of total separateness from the kafir/white creates an ethical position. Ethics become dualistic. The kafir/white is treated differently from the "brother/sister". Since Allah/black God hates and plots against kafirs/whites there is no empathy with the victims of the aggression. There is no remorse and, therefore, there is never an apology. There is nothing to apologize for. Allah/black God wanted them dead, so there is no need to weep.

This dualism in ethics means that the kafir/white can be deceived, robbed, insulted, raped, brutalized and killed in the name of good.

However, injuries to Islam are never forgotten, no matter how long ago they happened. Witness the ranting about the Crusades, which happened seven hundred years ago. BLT has a similar fixation on the injury of slavery, the "original sin" of America. Demands for apologies from the kafir/white are a standard fare of Islam/BLT. But any injury to the kafir/white is justified by the ethical doctrine.
The Koran is filled with insults against kafirs. Mohammed used both insults and name-calling as a form of jihad. As seen in Rev. Wright's sermons, insults and curses against whitey are accepted fare.

In Islamic politics nothing about the kafir has any merit. The kafir is without redeeming qualities or contributions to humanity. Inside of BLT, whites are the source of all evil and suffering in the world. White culture is seen as inherently bad and there is no goodness in whites, except for those who submit to black demands in all things, in short, race dhimmis.

Islam/BLT is easily offended. The offense can cause threats and bullying. If the verbal hostility does not work then come the street riots. Islam/BLT has no compunction about the riot hurting their own economies.

The reason for so many parallels between Islam and BLT is that they are both based upon the same principles -- submission and duality. Since Islam views white America as an enemy, BLT see Islam as the "enemy of my enemy" and therefore is a friend. Witness the award that Rev. Wright gave Louis Farrakhan as an outstanding person. This comradeship is temporary. When the time comes and Islam is fully ascendant, BLT will find out that Islam has been using them, just as Islam uses the Left. In the end, Islam will annihilate BLT for the simple reason that Islam demands political submission from ALL, not the just the whites.

Islam is the greater submission/duality system since it can grow by converting kafirs into believers. For BLT the vision is a separate and permanent minority. A white cannot become a black. BLT has a very limited enclave/ghetto mentality, whereas Islam has a world conquest outlook.


Bill Warner
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More on the LIAR Messiah's SUPPOSED Christianity and the Nature of his GURU the Rev 'I hate America' Wright. This exposes so many OBAMA LIES its incredible. But its all a CONSPIRACY hey HUCKSTER and the faithful CAT. Neo Cons MADE Obama attend this RACIST Black SUPREMACIST quasi Christian Church Neo Cons MADE Rev Wright into the RACIST ANT SEMITIC ANTI WHITE bigot that he is . You know that's not so far fetched I am sure HUCKSTER and The CAT think that is correct. But then the LIAR Messiah told u he NEVER HEARD A THING :prop: :prop:


Around 1988, Obama fell under the spell of a leftist black nationalist preacher, who preached African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, who acts as Obama's personal spiritual adviser, is militantly Afrocentric. His website proudly claims, "We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Wright, who married the Obamas, remains a major influence on the presidential candidate, despite their estrangement during the campaign. The title of Obama’s second book, The "Audacity of Hope," is borrowed from one of Wright’s sermons.

Obama writes in "Dreams..." that the very first time he attended Trinity United Church, he heard Rev. Wright rant that "white folks' greed runs a world in need," and for the next twenty years Obama, his wife and subsequently, his children, would be a witness to Wright's racism and hate.




When he took over Trinity United Church of Christ in 1972, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a maverick pastor with a wardrobe of dashikis and a militant message.

Wright had grown up in Philadelphia, the son of a Baptist minister. he had resisted his father's vocation at first, joining the Marines out of college, dabbling with liquor, Islam, and black nationalism in the sixties. But the call of his faith had apparently remained, a steady tug on his heart, and eventually he'd entered Howard, then the University of Chicago, where he spent six years studying for a Ph.D. in the history of religion.

He graduated from Howard University and earned bachelor's and master's degrees in English with a focus on African spirituals. At the University of Chicago Divinity School, he earned another masters degree in the history of religions with a focus on Islam.

In a Trinity church bulletin, Rev. Wright penned the following: "Most of our members do not know that my Master’s Degree from the University of Chicago’s Divinity School was in the area of Islam in West Africa during the 19th Century -- when the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was at its zenith."

Ben Wallace-Wells notes in Rolling Stone: "This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from."

Obama chose this minister and his church very carefully. He "could have picked any church -- the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright. Obama writes in his autobiography that on the day he chose this church, he felt the spirit of black memory and history moving through Wright, and 'felt for the first time how that spirit carried within it, nascent, incomplete, the possibility of moving beyond our narrow dreams.'"

In August, 2008, New York Magazine did a special issue on race and the US election. There’s lot of good stuff in the package but this line from John Heilemann’s cover story stood out to me:

"In October, Obama’s former pastor, (Jeremiah) Wright, will publish a new book and hit the road to promote it."

This is a huge problem for Obama. It means that the whole controversy over Wright’s racialist sermons and his friendship with Obama is going to be returning to the news agenda just as undecided voters begin to make up their minds.
The Conversion There is much confusion surrounding the date of Obama's conversion. Newspaper reports place this event in 1988. On Fox News, March 14th, 2007, Obama himself placed this even in 1992, but continues to say he's been a Christian for 20 years -- you figure it out.

Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not. Although some reports and even Obama have referred to a "baptism", there doesn't appear to be any record of a baptism.

Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama's baptism, wrote, "I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records." :prop:

It seems that Obama's conversion occurred when he answered one of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright's altar calls by walking down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.

Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred. Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior? Then that's directly part of the black church experience. Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition? I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

The specifically political character of his new church is what drew Obama out of his skeptical isolation and into religion. Obama wrote::

"But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn to the church."

"For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of African-American religious tradition to spur social change . . . the black church understands in an intimate way the biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge the powers and principalities . . . I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; it is an active, palpable agent in the world. It is a source of hope."

"It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and affirm my Christian faith."

In other words, Obama’s membership at Trinity UCC resulted from his familiarity with Wright’s political views. Even Obama’s phrase “challenge the powers and principalities” is a particular favorite of black-liberation theologists.

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood." In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again." As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly: "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity. Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Falsani wonders, "What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama? Is it the historic Christian faith? Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions."

Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its "call to evangelize and proselytize," the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair. Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ.

At the core of Obama's faith -- whether lapsed Muslim, new Christian or some mixture of the two -- is African nativism. Obama's having pledged allegiance to the Black Value System raises political issues of its own.

Request for info: If anyone, anywhere, can validate Obama's baptism, please contact me via email with a source, link or other documentation.
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Relationship On "The View," Obama continued his efforts to distance himself from his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and his incendiary sermons. AP has already noted Obama’s statement that he would have left Trinity United had Wright’s repeated rhetoric not escaped his notice, but Geraghty caught Obama minimizing Wright in a way that contradicts Obama’s own statements earlier in the campaign and in his book, Dreams from My Father (emphasis mine):

"I talked to [Wright] after this episode. I think he’s saddened by what’s happened. I feel badly that he has been characterized in just this one way. But he was my pastor. I think people overstate this idea of mentor or spiritual adviser. He was my pastor."

People tend to overstate the idea of mentor or spiritual adviser? I wonder why? Could it be because Obama himself emphasized it at the beginning of his campaign?

Obama says that rather than advising him on strategy, Wright helps keep his priorities straight and his moral compass calibrated.

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics." …

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Also, Wright didn’t just serve as Obama’s pastor, political adviser, and calibrator of the moral compass. Wright had an official position as an adviser to the campaign in outreach to African-American communities. That Obama claims he didn’t know about Wright’s positions on race in America before appointing Wright to that task asks people to believe that Obama is, frankly, a fool rather than someone who couldn’t calculate the political damage of "US of KKK-A" and allegations that the American government created HIV to commit genocide.

Obama asks us to trust his judgment and believe that he is a new breed of truth-teller in American politics. Instead, he has demonstrated years of bad judgment in immersing himself in conspiracy-theory theology and anti-American rants, supporting it with tens of thousands of dollars in donations, and then trying to excuse it away with threadbare rationalizations and minimalizations. He will engage in all sorts of doubletalk to achieve victory, which is nothing new in politics -- and exposes Obama as nothing exceptional at all, except in his stunning lack of experience.

Update (AP): A quick Google search reveals that there sure are a lot of people out there who were confused on this "pastor vs. mentor" point. Including Obama’s hometown paper, in an article written before the Wright scandal broke big.


During the recent media super storm: Obama's Pastor Disaster, CBS 2 Chicago has strangely not released the video they have of Obama at Trinity United Church of Christ for a Book Signing/Church Service with Pastor Wright.

According to a Chicago Tribune article, at the Service Obama spoke to the cheering congregation and the choir sang, "Hallelujah Barack." After the service Wright and Obama sat together, laughing, talking and signing books.

Leaving one to wonder, if a republican candidate had this sort of controversy swirling around would the footage have found it's way to the national and cable news networks by now?


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Sermons Why should Reverend Wright’s past as Muslim concern us?

First, Reverend Wright’s hate sermons are virtually identical as those given by his good friend, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who followed in the footsteps of Malcolm X. For example, this description by Ben Wallace Wells, published in Rolling Stone makes clear the connection:

Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. "Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college," he intones.

"Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!" There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power.

Now the reverend begins to preach. "We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!"

The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: "And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS sh!t! ...
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Wright
Stuff In a speech made at Howard University in January 2006, Rev. Wright offered the following conspiracy theories:

"America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. ... We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers. ... We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi. ... We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. ... We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means ..."

Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus. ... We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. ..."

It isn’t so much the anger that Wright manifests that will be off-putting to mainstream Americans of all creeds and colors, but the conspiracy-theory lunacy that he spews. Almost all Americans gave up on supremacy theories decades ago; most of those who espoused them are dead. No one has argued in the mainstream in any way, shape, or form for that kind of nonsense since the Dixiecrat movement died out in the 1960s. An ill-worded valediction for Strom Thurmond six years ago drew so much condemnation that it forced Trent Lott out of his leadership position in the Senate, although to be fair, former Klan Kleagle Robert Byrd remains in the Senate -- as a Democrat.

Most Americans would find the notion that we are crypto-supremacists insulting and offensive. And yet two of the most popular people in the U. S. choose to attend the church of a minister who apparently makes that a recurring theme of his ministry. In Obama’s case, he has given over $22,000 to support Wright and his message in 2006 alone.

And these . . .

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."

Wright on whites: "In a world that is controlled by white supremacy, in a country that is on its way to hell in a hand basket because of lying politicians, in a culture that still thinks 'white is right' and with young people who do not have a clue as to our story, our history, our legacy or our destiny, we still have African-American Christians who are more concerned about 'bling bling' than about freeing our minds."

Obama says, "Who knew?"
Did he
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Didn't he? In one of the biggest lies he ever told, Obama said he's never witnessed or heard Rev. Wright's statements before and he "vehemently condemns" the words of his pastor and mentor, an official member of Obama's campaign. Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee.




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What an absolute pile of rubbish! Obama and his wife Michelle have been listening to this man for 20 years and is a bold-faced liar to now claim he had no idea the "the Rev" was such an anti-American, racist, hate-monger!

Why hasn't Obama denounced "the Rev" at any time in the past 20 years?

The answer, of course, is because Obama wasn't running for national office before -- that's one reason.



Another? Obama and Wright are of the same mind -- now and then!

Barack may not have heard Wright's rants, but did he read them?

In the Trinity United Church of Christ Bulletin, January 21, 2007, on pages 9 and 10, "The Pastor's Page," are these words:

"We have lost over 3,000 boys and girls in an illegal and unjust war, and the media is on a feeding frenzy about Barack Obama’s church. Where is the outrage about the 3,000 dead American military personnel and the 600,000 dead Iraqi civilians who are dead for no reason other than greed and ego? What’s goin’ on?"

"I use his words today on the third Sunday of a New Year to keep before you the painful truth of who we are and where it is we are in this racist United States of America! What’s goin’ on?"

"The reality, however, is that the entire war in Iraq and the larger "war on terror" have been based on lies, half-truths and distortions to serve the agenda of the United States imperialism. Where is the public outcry? Where is the outrage? What’s goin’ on?"

He may never have heard Wright actually say the U. S. was racist or an aspiring empire, but did he ever read it in the church bulletin? Ever?

Since racism, bigotry, and anti-Americanism are central themes of Rev. Wright's, you'd have to believe all of the following to believe that the senator didn't know about what was going on in his church for 20 years:

* You'd have to believe that the senator was sleeping during all of the sermons he attended for 20 years.

* You'd have to believe that his wife, Michelle, was also was sleeping for 20 years, as she would have surely told him if she heard such bias and insanity (about AIDs, for example).

* You'd have to believe that neither the senator nor his wife read any of the church publications, where you could find Rev. Wright's bigotry, racism and activities, such as visiting Libya to meet with Moammar Gadhafi or awarding that infamous bigot, Louis Farrakhan, a lifetime achievement award.

* You'd have to believe that the senator and his wife weren't reading general-circulation newspapers or watching television news, where they would have found Rev. Wright's pronouncements and activities.

* You'd have to believe that neither the senator nor his wife talked to other members of the congregation or other members of the larger community who were aware of Rev. Wright's bigotry and racism.

* You'd have to believe that the senator never talked to his pastor, as he would have surely picked up his central focus if he did. A professional politician and a highly political pastor talk for 20 years, but only of Christ and family. That would take a miracle sent from God.

* Finally, you'd have to believe that the senator never heard or read the sermon, which the senator says inspired his book The Audacity of Hope. Had he even read that one sermon, he would have had a good taste of Rev. Wright's bigotry, racism and hatred of whites.

Despite all that, the senator first tried to claim he "heard no evil." He wasn't in the pew when the bigotry, racism, and anti-Americanism poured forth. Having told that whopper, and sensing he was turning into a Pinocchio with an ever-longer nose, he seemed to change his story in the Philadelphia speech. There he tried to come up with a more believable lie. He admitted he knew Wright to be "an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy." He said he disagreed with many of his political views "just as many of you" have disagreed with your pastors, priests and rabbis.

This seemed to suggest that, although he heard some of Rev. Wright's poisonous pronouncements, he still could not disown his pastor, who was like an "uncle" to him, and who he could no more disown than he could disown the black community. This was what I call lie No. 2.

Then, when he subsequently appeared on Barbara Walters' television show "The View," he went back to his original "hear no evil" version of the lie, i.e., lie No. 1. He didn't hear this stuff, and if he did he would have been uncomfortable, and might have left the church.
Oops,
I Forgot President-elect Barack Obama said in 2004, while he was a state legislator running for a U.S. Senate seat, that he attended services at Trinity United Church of Christ every week.

This is in contrast to what Obama, as a presidential candidate, said this year after controversial anti-American remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright surfaced. Obama then told news outlets that he did not attend the church frequently and was not aware of Wright’s comments.

The comments from Obama about his church attendance appeared in the transcript of an interview posted Tuesday on the religious news Web site Beliefnet.com. The interview was conducted on March 27, 2004 by Chicago Sun-Times religion writer Cathleen Falsani for a story on Obama’s faith, but the interview was not released in its entirety until now. Surprise!
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This trumps any of the crap that the deluded MSM and OBAMANUTS threw at Sarah Palin's family This is ACTUALLY ILLEGAL not just some pathetic family scandal but will the Obama arse licking Moonbat US MSM go for it lets see.


US Vice-President Joe Biden's daughter Ashley filmed snorting lines of cocaine


Ashley Biden, 27, is allegedly seen on a video, being offered for sale by an acquaintance, joking that the lines of cocaine are not big enough
James Bone New York

The White House was rocked yesterday by claims that the daughter of Joe Biden, the Vice-President, was shown on video snorting cocaine.

The video purports to show Ashley Biden, 27, snorting lines of white powder at a house party in her home state of Delaware.

It surfaced days after Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, declared that the United States shared the blame for Mexico's violent drug wars. “Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade,” Mrs Clinton said on a trip to Mexico.

The video will embarrass Mr Biden, a teetotaller and an outspoken anti-drug crusader who coined the term “drug czar” in 1982 while campaigning for tougher action against illegal drugs.


However, the video is unlikely to undermine his position with President Obama. Mr Obama admitted in his own memoir that he had used marijuana and cocaine - but not heroin - as a youth. “Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though,” he wrote in Dreams from My Father.


Oh thats OK then the President is a CRACK HEAD too.


This month Mr Biden swore in a new US drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, whose stepson has a history of marijuana arrests.

The New York Post said that it had viewed about 90 seconds of a 43-minute video being offered for sale by an anonymous male acquaintance of Ms Biden, through a Washington lawyer.

The video showed a woman resembling the Vice-President's daughter taking a red straw from her mouth, bending over a desk, inserting the straw into her nostril and snorting lines of white powder.

The woman then stands up and starts talking with other people in the room as a young man - identified as her boyfriend - watches from behind.

The camera, which appears not to be concealed, follows her as she moves around the room. At one point she shouts: “Shut the f*** up!”

Although the dialogue is unclear, representatives of the seller insist that that the woman speaks repeatedly about the drugs.

“At one point she pretty much complains that the line isn't big enough,” one told the newspaper. “And she talks about her dad.”

Radaronline.com, an online gossip site, said that one of its freelance reporters had also viewed the video.

It described a man cutting up five lines of what is said to be cocaine, as the woman claimed to be Ms Biden jokes that the lines are not big enough.

The man hands her a rolled-up dollar bill and she pulls back her hair and snorts a line. After she snorts the first line, she lifts her head to wipe her nose and then snorts a second and third line.

The New York Post said that the seller originally wanted to sell the video to the media for $2 million (£1.3million), before reducing it to $400,000. Radaronline.com put the asking price at $250,000. The video was supposedly taken this year.

Thomas Dunlap, the lawyer named by both outlets, reportedly stepped aside from representing the seller yesterday.

He told The Times: “We do not represent anyone involved in that. I do not have information.”

If the allegation is true, Ms Biden, a social worker in Delaware, would not be the first relative to embarrass the White House with alcohol or drug abuse. Gerald Ford's wife, Betty, struggled with alcoholism and addiction to painkillers and, after a family intervention, opened the famed Betty Ford Centre to addicts.

President Lyndon Johnson's brother, Sam, admitted in his memoir to being a problem drinker. Roger Clinton, dubbed Headache by his brother's Secret Service guards, spent a year in prison after his 1984 conviction for cocaine trafficking.

George W. Bush's twin daughters, Barbara and Jenna, were charged with using a fake ID to buy margaritas in a Texan bar even though they were under the legal drinking age of 21.

Last month Mr Obama's halfbrother, George, was arrested in his native Kenya for alleged possession of marijuana.

In a so-called internet town hall meeting last week, Mr Obama was inundated with questions about whether he would legalise marijuana.

His terse answer: “No, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy.”
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Seems the rest of the world does not like the LIAR Messiah's SOCIALIST PORKULUS either.

Brown unites G20 countries... against him

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Scuppered: World leaders have lined up to rule out Gordon Brown's idea of a second fiscal stimulus

The key plank of Gordon Brown's global 'grand bargain' has been torpedoed just days before the crucial G20 summit.

World leaders have lined up to rule out a second fiscal stimulus package of tax cuts and spending sprees to boost their stricken economies.

There were even suggestions yesterday of a German-inspired 'dirty tricks' campaign after what was claimed to be a draft of Mr Brown's favoured communique was leaked to a German news magazine as a part of an apparent attempt to kill it off.

The Prime Minister has championed the idea of another spending spree as part of a 'global new deal' - along with banking reforms, a crackdown on tax havens and measures to avoid protectionism.

But as he flew back into Britain yesterday for the summit after a whistlestop tour of three continents, it became clear that the central part of his plan - on which he has staked huge political capital - had been scuppered.

It also represents a defeat on the world stage for U.S. President Barack Obama, who has also called for a fiscal stimulus.

Any detailed discussions on such measures will now come at a follow-up summit later this year, probably in Asia.

Yesterday Mr Brown's Cabinet colleagues took to the airwaves to lower expectations about the outcome of the one-day talks in London, as No 10 aides suggested that it could take a year to see any fruits of the meeting.

There was also a notable shift of emphasis by the Government away from fiscal stimulus to other areas - such as new rules on tax havens and extra money to support developing countries - where deals are almost certain.


More...

* Mandy: Give the bankers a break... we need them to succeed
* Barack Obama set to announce bailout package for troubled car firms
* Taxpayers to the rescue AGAIN as Government looks set to bail out first building society
* 500 staff, armoured limousines, and a fleet of decoy helicopters... Obama set to sweep into UK under huge security

In response to the criticisms, British ministers have also insisted that it is up to each country to write its own budget.

Chancellor Alistair Darling said yesterday: 'We have got to be realistic. We should not be overly optimistic that everything will get sorted in one day.'

Foreign Secretary David Miliband also conceded that there would be no fresh fiscal intervention. He instead emphasised the need to reform the international financial system.

'It is not about rabbits out of hats,' he told the BBC. 'This G20 summit was never about writing national budgets. It is about the international financial architecture.'
G20

But when Mr Brown unveiled the Government's G20 blueprint last month, he insisted: 'Every part of the world must be part of the stimulus to the economy... and I believe one of the features of our discussions at the G20 is how all countries can come together to do that.'

However, preparatory meetings for the summit revealed deep divisions and the spending plans were soon downgraded.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend: 'I will not let anyone tell me that we must spend more money.'

Spanish finance minister Pedro Solbes added: 'In these conditions I and the rest of my colleagues in the eurozone believe there is no room for new fiscal stimulus plans.'

And asked about new tax cuts and spending by the BBC yesterday the Australian leader Kevin Rudd revealed that details would come at a further summit.

He said it 'was never the intention' to commit to a new package this week.

The Chinese ambassador to London, Fu Ying, also warned that Beijing 'cannot write a cheque'.

She added: 'People should remember that China indeed is still a developing country. We are running the largest fiscal deficit we have ever seen in 20 years.'

The extraordinary interventions from world leaders are another blow to Mr Brown, who is still reeling from the warning by Bank of England governor Mervyn King that the UK cannot afford another big fiscal stimulus package in next month's Budget.

The Prime Minister received an opinion poll boost in October when his bank rescue package was widely copied but those gains have been wiped out since then.

Any talk that the G20 summit would be a new Bretton Woods - the 1944 conference which shaped the modern global financial system - has also disappeared.

Lord Mandelson told Sky News there would be no 'overnight' success. 'The time to judge the outcome of the G20 summit is in a year's time,' he said.

Further evidence that the UK had been forced to scale down its ambitious stimulus plans came yesterday with the reported leak of a draft of the final agreement to be signed off by world leaders at the end of the one-day gathering.

The communique, obtained by German magazine Der Spiegel, apparently showed that the UK backed a £1.4trillion worldwide spending boost. However, Downing Street said the paper was an 'old document with out of date figures'.
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The Gospel of the HUCKSTER and his faithful CAT

And Lo the Messiah came and we were exceeding glad and rejoiced
But straight away the wicked Neo Cons saw and knew what would be so straight away they started their CONSPIRACIES against the chosen one.
First they implanted false memories in his paternal Grandmothers head so she THOUGHT she was at his side in Kenya when he was born
Even though we know he was born well maybe somewhere in Hawaii or wherever but we will forever guard the sacred SECRET of his coming
At the appropriate time we will release a dubious document which forever will be know as a COLB and this magical document will mean many different things to many men.
This is as should be for the Messiah's place of birth is to be known and vouchsafed only to the very very few lest it be used against him by the wicked Neo Cans who are ever vigilant

We will then spirit him to a place more fitting to his birth the Mohammedan Country of Indonesia.
But Lo the wicked Neo Cons made even that place unsafe and as the Messiah went about his lawful business the Neo Cons planted all sorts of incriminating documents against the chosen one and yet more false memories in the minds of those that the future would have use for.
Having been properly indoctrinated with the TRUTH in his religious classes and studies the Messiah returned to where he would be eventually proclaimed
But first he must journey to the land of the Paks to get some more instruction.

Back in the promised land the long thought out plans were put into action.
Studies undertaken associations made that could help the future time when HE would assume the mantle of power
Men who wielded power by Terror, by Corruption and by deception all were consulted and lessons learned
And Lo a new identity was assumed no longer the lowly Indonesian Soetero or the far too WHITE Barry.
Now the Messiah would be revealed as his true self Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
the truth was thus proclaimed but any documentation of course carefully guarded against the wicked Neo Cons


And still the Neo Cons conspired against him telling lies about his Black Supremacist anti white anti American Preacher
and making up stories about his devout helpers who were called Terrorists and left wingers and crooks
For they knew his time was coming
Lo the Messiah suffered but still held his nerve
He made his plans all his documents would be hidden and the media placated and made compliant
Money was made available as much as he could possibly need
Where from was carefully hidden Neo Con spies were everywhere

Then oh glorious day the hysterical gullible people of America lulled in to a stupor of adoration by the faithful MSM delivered the prize
Now he had power and now he could do allahs bidding and reduce this ungodly country to the left wing cesspit that it deserved to be.

And allah looked down and saw what the LIAR Messiah had accomplished and was well pleased
The Neo Cons in spite of all their YEARS and YEARS of plotting were reduced to tears
And in the land black was now white, good now bad and right now wrong
and allah smiled at his faithful chosen one.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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Pragmatist wrote:The Gospel of the HUCKSTER and his faithful CAT

And Lo the Messiah came and we were exceeding glad and rejoiced
But straight away the wicked Neo Cons saw and knew what would be so straight away they started their CONSPIRACIES against the chosen one.
First they implanted false memories in his paternal Grandmothers head so she THOUGHT she was at his side in Kenya when he was born
Even though we know he was born well maybe somewhere in Hawaii or wherever but we will forever guard the sacred SECRET of his coming
At the appropriate time we will release a dubious document which forever will be know as a COLB and this magical document will mean many different things to many men.
This is as should be for the Messiah's place of birth is to be known and vouchsafed only to the very very few lest it be used against him by the wicked Neo Cans who are ever vigilant

We will then spirit him to a place more fitting to his birth the Mohammedan Country of Indonesia.
But Lo the wicked Neo Cons made even that place unsafe and as the Messiah went about his lawful business the Neo Cons planted all sorts of incriminating documents against the chosen one and yet more false memories in the minds of those that the future would have use for.
Having been properly indoctrinated with the TRUTH in his religious classes and studies the Messiah returned to where he would be eventually proclaimed
But first he must journey to the land of the Paks to get some more instruction.

Back in the promised land the long thought out plans were put into action.
Studies undertaken associations made that could help the future time when HE would assume the mantle of power
Men who wielded power by Terror, by Corruption and by deception all were consulted and lessons learned
And Lo a new identity was assumed no longer the lowly Indonesian Soetero or the far too WHITE Barry.
Now the Messiah would be revealed as his true self Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
the truth was thus proclaimed but any documentation of course carefully guarded against the wicked Neo Cons


And still the Neo Cons conspired against him telling lies about his Black Supremacist anti white anti American Preacher
and making up stories about his devout helpers who were called Terrorists and left wingers and crooks
For they knew his time was coming
Lo the Messiah suffered but still held his nerve
He made his plans all his documents would be hidden and the media placated and made compliant
Money was made available as much as he could possibly need
Where from was carefully hidden Neo Con spies were everywhere

Then oh glorious day the hysterical gullible people of America lulled in to a stupor of adoration by the faithful MSM delivered the prize
Now he had power and now he could do allahs bidding and reduce this ungodly country to the left wing cesspit that it deserved to be.

And allah looked down and saw what the LIAR Messiah had accomplished and was well pleased
The Neo Cons in spite of all their YEARS and YEARS of plotting were reduced to tears
And in the land black was now white, good now bad and right now wrong
and allah smiled at his faithful chosen one.

Aaah... FFI's got its own Poet Laureate. Don't give up the day job (if you have one, that is). Now doggerel verse attacking other fellow members, apart from being tasteless and not very clever, is hardly the way to persuade anyone of the veracity of your arguments, is it?

And above, you refer to Gordon Brown as "the LIAR Messiah's SOCIALIST PORKULUS" amongst a load of unsourced quotes. Any evidence for this? Did you actually examine the stand-offish approach Obama had towards Brown? I doubt it.

And if you are going to spam this thread with copy-pastes - please have the honesty to source these quotes. If you expect the whole world to believe the theory that Obama is not a US citizen, because he has not (according to you) followed the minutiae of "proper procedure", then it would do your own case some good if you too followed the minutiae of "proper procedure".

If you are going to quote from other people's work (news articles etc), let us have the links, so we can check if you have given us the whole story, or if you have edited out the parts you don't agree with.

It's only common sense, really. A shame that in your rantings and ad hominems, you appear to lack the self-restraint and decorum that is usually associated with people who have common sense.

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Psycho Bunny wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:The Gospel of the HUCKSTER and his faithful CAT

And Lo the Messiah came and we were exceeding glad and rejoiced
But straight away the wicked Neo Cons saw and knew what would be so straight away they started their CONSPIRACIES against the chosen one.
First they implanted false memories in his paternal Grandmothers head so she THOUGHT she was at his side in Kenya when he was born
Even though we know he was born well maybe somewhere in Hawaii or wherever but we will forever guard the sacred SECRET of his coming
At the appropriate time we will release a dubious document which forever will be know as a COLB and this magical document will mean many different things to many men.
This is as should be for the Messiah's place of birth is to be known and vouchsafed only to the very very few lest it be used against him by the wicked Neo Cans who are ever vigilant

We will then spirit him to a place more fitting to his birth the Mohammedan Country of Indonesia.
But Lo the wicked Neo Cons made even that place unsafe and as the Messiah went about his lawful business the Neo Cons planted all sorts of incriminating documents against the chosen one and yet more false memories in the minds of those that the future would have use for.
Having been properly indoctrinated with the TRUTH in his religious classes and studies the Messiah returned to where he would be eventually proclaimed
But first he must journey to the land of the Paks to get some more instruction.

Back in the promised land the long thought out plans were put into action.
Studies undertaken associations made that could help the future time when HE would assume the mantle of power
Men who wielded power by Terror, by Corruption and by deception all were consulted and lessons learned
And Lo a new identity was assumed no longer the lowly Indonesian Soetero or the far too WHITE Barry.
Now the Messiah would be revealed as his true self Barrack HUSSEIN Obama
the truth was thus proclaimed but any documentation of course carefully guarded against the wicked Neo Cons


And still the Neo Cons conspired against him telling lies about his Black Supremacist anti white anti American Preacher
and making up stories about his devout helpers who were called Terrorists and left wingers and crooks
For they knew his time was coming
Lo the Messiah suffered but still held his nerve
He made his plans all his documents would be hidden and the media placated and made compliant
Money was made available as much as he could possibly need
Where from was carefully hidden Neo Con spies were everywhere

Then oh glorious day the hysterical gullible people of America lulled in to a stupor of adoration by the faithful MSM delivered the prize
Now he had power and now he could do allahs bidding and reduce this ungodly country to the left wing cesspit that it deserved to be.

And allah looked down and saw what the LIAR Messiah had accomplished and was well pleased
The Neo Cons in spite of all their YEARS and YEARS of plotting were reduced to tears
And in the land black was now white, good now bad and right now wrong
and allah smiled at his faithful chosen one.

Aaah... FFI's got its own Poet Laureate. Don't give up the day job (if you have one, that is). Now doggerel verse attacking other fellow members, apart from being tasteless and not very clever, is hardly the way to persuade anyone of the veracity of your arguments, is it?

And above, you refer to Gordon Brown as "the LIAR Messiah's SOCIALIST PORKULUS" amongst a load of unsourced quotes. Any evidence for this? Did you actually examine the stand-offish approach Obama had towards Brown? I doubt it.

And if you are going to spam this thread with copy-pastes - please have the honesty to source these quotes. If you expect the whole world to believe the theory that Obama is not a US citizen, because he has not (according to you) followed the minutiae of "proper procedure", then it would do your own case some good if you too followed the minutiae of "proper procedure".

If you are going to quote from other people's work (news articles etc), let us have the links, so we can check if you have given us the whole story, or if you have edited out the parts you don't agree with.

It's only common sense, really. A shame that in your rantings and ad hominems, you appear to lack the self-restraint and decorum that is usually associated with people who have common sense.
You know Psychotic Lapin being attacked to by you is like to quote an old Labor Politician 'Being savaged by a DEAD SHEEP' such is your lack of intellect and non existent wit.
I see the medication is wearing off now back to the Doctor to get some more you naught little boy. Your reading skills are still not fully developed EITHER are they where did I ever call Gordon Brown the Messiah I would never dream of being so blasphemous for there is only ONE LIAR Messiah and there is only one PORKULUS and the Messiah is Obama and truly the PORKULUS is all his. In your haste to post your spiteful crap you never engaged your brain did you and READ what I posted that is of course if you have one which by the anger ansd spite fueled nonsense that you post I really doubt . You just leap in with both feet an brain in NEUTRAL. Oh I see you read my intro then the TITLE and like an IDIOT presumed I was talking about Gordon and not the Messiah who I highligheted further down how THICK you are and prove yourself to be time after time.
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Pragmatist wrote: You know Psychotic Lapin being attacked to by you is like to quote an old Labor Politician 'Being savaged by a DEAD SHEEP' such is your lack of intellect and non existent wit.
Ad hominem crap. Was I trying to be witty? I thought I was just making a comment. You are projecting. Again......
Pragmatist wrote:I see the medication is wearing off now back to the Doctor to get some more you naught little boy.
If this is your notion of "wit", I pity you.
Pragmatist wrote:Your reading skills are still not fully developed EITHER are they where did I ever call Gordon Brown the Messiah
Neither did I. Get some glasses. Or try employing comprehension skills.
Pragmatist wrote:I would never dream of being so blasphemous for there is only ONE LIAR Messiah and there is only one PORKULUS and the Messiah is Obama and truly the PORKULUS is all his. In your haste to post your spiteful crap you never engaged your brain did you and READ what I posted that is of course if you have one which by the anger ansd spite fueled nonsense that you post I really doubt . You just leap in with both feet an brain in NEUTRAL. Oh I see you read my intro then the TITLE and like an IDIOT presumed I was talking about Gordon and not the Messiah who I highligheted further down how THICK you are and prove yourself to be time after time.
Where is the "spite"?

I am not insulting your intelligence by calling you "THICK", am I?

I need not stoop so low. Your posts say more than I ever could about your state of mind and your level of intelligence.....

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Pragmatist wrote:
You know Psychotic Lapin being attacked to by you is like to quote an old Labor Politician 'Being savaged by a DEAD SHEEP' such is your lack of intellect and non existent wit.
I see the medication is wearing off now back to the Doctor to get some more you naught little boy. Your reading skills are still not fully developed EITHER are they where did I ever call Gordon Brown the Messiah I would never dream of being so blasphemous for there is only ONE LIAR Messiah and there is only one PORKULUS and the Messiah is Obama and truly the PORKULUS is all his. In your haste to post your spiteful crap you never engaged your brain did you and READ what I posted that is of course if you have one which by the anger ansd spite fueled nonsense that you post I really doubt . You just leap in with both feet an brain in NEUTRAL. Oh I see you read my intro then the TITLE and like an IDIOT presumed I was talking about Gordon and not the Messiah who I highligheted further down how THICK you are and prove yourself to be time after time.
I kindly ask you to stop abusing members Pragmatist
You must not think you are save because Mr Sina told you that we are not going to ban people anymore.

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Pragmatist wrote:There we agree he IS an idiot.
No we do not.
Pragmatist wrote:Ahh of course the PEDANTIC Obamabot HUXLEY resorts to ISLAMIC like word play lets see the difference Oh yes the second phrase has' SUNSET' and 'ONE OF THE' in it so that makes everything OK and makes Obama wonderful. I already knew you would plumb any depths jump through any hoops to defend your Messiah but this one is a doozy
How odd. Let me make sure I understand what you are saying here.

You posted a fake quotation, added to it completely fabricated information about the Shahada, and I corrected your error.

So, according to you, correcting your deliberately faked paraphrase is "Islamic like word play?"

You know what? I can live with that.

"The Mohammedan call to prayer and the Shahada are the MOST beautiful sounds in the world," is a very different statement than, "The Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

That you cannot tell the difference can only be attributed to your blinding hatred. You must really be a miserable person.
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Pragmatist wrote:If you had even bothered to look at our previous correspondence you would know the CONTEXT in which that was written.
There is no context in which a gratuitous insult serves as a response to a substantive comment. Smart people understand that.
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Hello THHuxley why the sound of Muslim prayer would make Obama happy if he is no longer a Muslim???
Why shouldn't he say "the sound of bell from the church is the prettiest on earth"

Is it because he is still obsessed with his Muslim past.??

And why should he shamelessly praise muslim prayer as a President of Christian majority country??
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Pragmatist wrote:
The Cat wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:By the way don't forget the NAZIS were the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Do you know that Neo-conservatism is a Socialist ideology coming out from ex-leninists and trotskyists, like David Horowitz?
Yes, Neocons are from a socialist background too, named Social Conservatism... same as in most Islamic countries!

In plain facts, Neocons aren't that far away from Islamic fundamentalism on crushing issues, as we can see above.
Western societies aren't so based on religious family nucleus, but on the individual rights within secular societies.

That's what they want to change in their 'intelligent design' of a society... It's an Evangelical way of thinking decency.
In America, they would have to twist and change the Constitution in order to make it happens the way they want...
Ahh I see it hurts to have your left wing stupidity exposed for what it is and its obvious conclusions pointed out to you I bet you really hate it when its pointed out and you know that the most vile regime ever to be imposed on planet earth was left wing SOCIALIST Nazism closely followed by left wing SOCIALIST Russian Communism both of which were responsible for the deaths of HUNDREDS of millions and that is without mentioning left wing SOCIALIST Communist China who also killed MILLIONS of their own too. Those FACTS must be really comforting to you as you watch and ACTUALLY SUPPORT the LIAR Obama Messiah as he drives the USA further and further down the same path. His similarities to Hitler grow day by day just look at the CIVILIAN ARMY answerable directly to him he is raising TICK, Charismatic LYING Leader TICK, Cult of personality TICK, Anti Semitic TICK, Pro Mohammedan TICK. OBAMANUTS are truly DELUSIONAL.
I was simply pointing out that the Neocons themselves are from a national socialist background too.
Instead of debating the rights or wrongs of this, Pragmatist got more into his litany of foggy foes...
The inanity here to see my point leaves me speechless, but what else to expect from a Neo-Cockoo!
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Pragmatist wrote:
The Cat wrote:Again: What -exactly- do you have against Human Rights, or 'Yuman Rites' as you demean them?
No need to show everyone that your comprehension abilities are not very good its plain to see. I said the people who support 'Yuman Rites' which in its imposition on Western Democracies has only served to safeguard the 'rights' of criminals and Terrorists are idiots. Witness the UK Governments Yuman Rites driven STUPIDITY they took an ETHIOPIAN Terrorist who was in GITMO and who was originally caught with a FALSE passport and terrorist literature trying to board a flight to UK from Pakistan after absconding from UK where he was an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and going to AFGHANISTAN he says to 'try and get rid of his DRUG ADDICTION :prop: :prop: ' and to study the CULTURE :worthy: . The UK spent $500,000 chartering an aircraft to fly him back to UK and are now giving him 24/7 Police protection a safe house and Social Security benefits plus Legal Aid so he can sue the UK Government. AND ALL IN THE NAME OF HUMAN RIGHTS WHICH YOU FIND SO WONDERFUL. This is but ONE example of the STUPIDITY Yuman Rites legislation has inflicted across the whole of the Western World and YOUR Messiah loves it too. Whatever happened to COMMON SENSE it flew out of the window when 'Yuman Rites' flew in.
Ladies & Gentlemen:
Pragmatist doesn't care about the fair trial principles at stake. He doesn't give a damn of the principle of a man being innocent until -proven- guilty. Dissenters must be jailed and tortured, that's the Constitution according to Neocons. That's their 'Common Sense'!

Yuman Rites I guess are pagan rituals... and The Rule of Laws to be done with in a perfected Neocon world!
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Now, the guy Pragmatist is talking about is Binyam Mohamed
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LONDON, England (CNN) -- A British resident released after four years at Guantanamo Bay arrived back in the UK Monday, officials said, in a case that has helped deepen controversy over U.S. treatment of accused terrorists. Binyam Mohamed, seized in Pakistan in 2002 on suspicion of terrorism, returned after being freed in a deal between the British and U.S. governments, the UK Foreign Office said. Police said he was detained under anti-terror regulations after arriving in the UK and released about five hours later.

Ethiopian-born Mohamed says he was tortured into falsely confessing to terrorist activities while in U.S. custody in Morocco. He says he was then taken to Afghanistan and then to Guantanamo in 2004. He says the UK intelligence agency MI5 was complicit in his treatment.

The United States charged him last year with allegedly plotting to blow up apartment buildings in America with radioactive "dirty bombs." But all formal charges were dropped against him and four other detainees last October. Mohamed subsequently went on hunger strike to protest his imprisonment.

Mohamed is the first Guantanamo Bay detainee to be released since U.S. President Barack Obama ordered the closure of the detention facility at a U.S. naval base within a year, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a statement. Synonymous with the Bush administration's harsh anti-terror policy in the wake of the 9/11 attacks on the United States, Guantanamo has been mired in claims of prisoner abuse.

The British government appealed in August 2007 for the release and return of its legal citizens, but struck a deal last Friday to secure Mohamed's freedom. In a statement on his release, Mohamed reiterated his allegations of abuse at the hand of the United States and called for the release of other detainees.

"I have been through an experience that I never thought to encounter in my darkest nightmares," he said. "Before this ordeal, 'torture' was an abstract word to me. I could never have imagined that I would be its victim." He added: "I am not asking for vengeance; only that the truth should be made known, so that nobody in the future should have to endure what I have endured."
I think there should be another trial, and a real Constitutional one this time for crimes against the American people!
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sunshine wrote:Hello THHuxley why the sound of Muslim prayer would make Obama happy if he is no longer a Muslim???
Because it is a pretty sound.
sunshine wrote:Why shouldn't he say "the sound of bell from the church is the prettiest on earth"
Probably because he does not think it is as pretty as the Muslim call to prayer.
sunshine wrote:Is it because he is still obsessed with his Muslim past.??
Or because he thinks its pretty. As Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
sunshine wrote:And why should he shamelessly praise muslim prayer as a President of Christian majority country??
Because it's pretty.
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I note that 'pretty' has been transformed by Pragmatist into 'beautiful'. Do you really think they are synonyms? 'Pretty' means sensually appealing whereas beauty carries other connotations, including 'spiritual' ones. Pretty is much further down the value scale than "beautiful". Muslims often describe Islam as a 'beautiful religion'. Has a Muslim ever called Islam a "pretty religion"?

I think it's a pretty important distinction.

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in case no body noticed, Hux was being sarcastic. He's an atheist and to him all religions are ridiculous.

obama praising islam in one way or another is no different from Bush saying that Islam is a religion of peace (even though it isn't). those men are politicians and politicians lie a lot.
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