The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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Pragmatist wrote:
Coshida wrote:I truly hope you live in a country with a strong welfare state, Pragmatist.

Especially a welfare programme for "special" people.
It has just been proved on another thread exactly what you are you brain damaged insignificant Muslimah. Quit while you are only hugely embarrassed don't wait to be totally humiliated.

I'm sure it has. On another thread, eh? Let"s see this other thread.

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I love to read this thread because i believe obama is a charlatan. But i disagree that his leaning towards socialism would prove anything towards him being a charlatan. A person can still be honest and true and still favour socialism :) I love socialism myself and done the proper way, i think it is the answer for many poor countries of the world. But western world should be capitalist society and socialism will never work there because a capitalist society is so much ingrained.
So i think it is not necessary to attack socialism and obama together, because both are different issues. Obama being an illegal candidate and with a corrupt history should be the main focus, shouldnt it? Many people who love socialism like me would also read this thread, and might get the issue mixed up.
Just my 2 cents.

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I love socialism myself and done the proper way, i think it is the answer for many poor countries of the world. But western world should be capitalist society and socialism will never work there because a capitalist society is so much ingrained.
Socialism has never and will never work. Socialism goes against the human nature. Humans are egoistic, that is innate and you can't change it. Someone will always work better if s/he gets a personal gain from it, in a socialistic society you don't really have that possibility. Implementing stuff like 5 year plans is a sure way to make a country go down the drain (see USSR or GDR for instance).
(Just FYI, I was born in a commie country.)

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Coshida wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:
Coshida wrote:I truly hope you live in a country with a strong welfare state, Pragmatist.

Especially a welfare programme for "special" people.
It has just been proved on another thread exactly what you are you brain damaged insignificant Muslimah. Quit while you are only hugely embarrassed don't wait to be totally humiliated.

I'm sure it has. On another thread, eh? Let"s see this other thread.
Well lets see shall we '
Here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1535&start=60" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And here too viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1535&start=50" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:roflmao: :roflmao:

You think people don't notice you silly insignificant Muslimah
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islame wrote:I love to read this thread because i believe obama is a charlatan. But i disagree that his leaning towards socialism would prove anything towards him being a charlatan. A person can still be honest and true and still favour socialism :) I love socialism myself and done the proper way, i think it is the answer for many poor countries of the world. But western world should be capitalist society and socialism will never work there because a capitalist society is so much ingrained.
So i think it is not necessary to attack socialism and obama together, because both are different issues. Obama being an illegal candidate and with a corrupt history should be the main focus, shouldnt it? Many people who love socialism like me would also read this thread, and might get the issue mixed up.
Just my 2 cents.
There is not and never has been a successful SOCIALIST country and that is one more reason to stop the LIAR that is the Obama Messiah from turning the USA into one. His every action so far has been to try and implement his radical left wing agenda as his PORKULUS Bill exemplifies also the QUADRUPALING of the American National Debt which his already stated policies will lead to. Also dangerous Policies like the setting up with funding equivalent or greater than the Military of a CIVILIAN Force answerable ONLY to the Messiah. Shades of the NAZI Brown Shirts there and the HITLER YOUTH. America need to get rid of this left wing anti capitalist Mohammedan loving LAUGHING JACKASS as soon as possible. You cannot separate Obama from the Left Wing Socialisation of America they are one and the same. By the way don't forget the NAZIS were the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.

Americorps Has Stench Of Authoritarianism


With almost no public attention, both chambers of Congress in the past week advanced an alarming expansion of the Americorps national service plan, with the number of federally funded community-service jobs increasing from 75,000 to 250,000 at a cost of $5.7 billion. Lurking behind the feel-good rhetoric spouted by the measure’s advocates is a bill that upon closer inspection reveals multiple provisions that together create a strong odor of creepy authoritarianism.

The House passed the measure overwhelmingly, while only 14 senators had the sense and courage to vote against it on a key procedural motion. Every legislator who either voted for this bill or didn’t vote at all has some serious explaining to do.

Last summer, then-candidate Barack Obama threw civil liberties to the wind when he proposed "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the regular military. The expanded Americorps is not quite so disturbing, but a number of provisions in the bill raise serious concerns.

To begin with, the legislation threatens the voluntary nature of Americorps by calling for consideration of "a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people." It anticipates the possibility of requiring "all individuals in the United States" to perform such service, including elementary school students.

The bill also summons up unsettling memories of World War II-era paramilitary groups by saying the new program should "combine the best practices of civilian service with the best aspects of military service," while establishing "campuses" that serve as "operational headquarters," complete with "superintendents" and "uniforms" for all participants. It allows for the elimination of all age restrictions in order to involve Americans at all stages of life. And, it calls for the creation of "a permanent cadre" in a "National Community Civilian Corps."

But that’s not all. The bill also calls for "youth engagement zones" in which "service learning" is "a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency."

This updated form of voluntary community service is also to be "integrated into the science, technology, engineering and mathematics curricula" at all levels of schooling. Sounds like a government curriculum for government-approved "service learning," which is nothing less than indoctrination.
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It has just been proved on another thread exactly what you are you brain damaged insignificant Muslimah. Quit while you are only hugely embarrassed don't wait to be totally humiliated.


I'm sure it has. On another thread, eh? Let"s see this other thread

Well lets see shall we '
Here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1535&start=60" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And here too viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1535&start=50" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:roflmao: :roflmao:

You think people don't notice you silly insignificant Muslimah
You just gave two examples of me making fun of you. You also showed me that you didn't understand the usage of the word "special". :lol:

You are comedy gold.

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Pragmatist wrote:And YOU are just an INSIGNIFICANT Islamically second class MUSLIMAH who cares what YOU think. Sorry who cares what your MASTER allows you to think.
Yet another brilliant demonstration of logic and reasoning by Pragmatist. If he didn't have mindless bigotry going for him, his skull would implode from the vacuum.
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Pragmatist wrote: Well he is ON RECORD as stating the Mohammedan call to prayer and the Shahada which he HAS MEMORISED are the MOST beautiful sounds in the world. And this of course below is just more CONSPIRACY against the LIAR Mesiah. You know OBAMANUTS cognitive dissonance is really PATHETIC
It is fascinating that Pragmatist never seems to get a single detail right.

1. Obama never said anything about the Shahada being a beautiful sound.

2. He did not say the call to prayer was "the most beautiful sound in the world." He said it was "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." If you cannot tell a difference, well... it is because you are who you are.

3. If you have not memorized the Shahada just after being on Fathfreedom.org for the last however you've been here, then you are stupid. Obama, not being stupid, should be expected to have the Shahada memorized after living for several years in a Muslim country.

4. There is no evidence that Obama has memorized the Muslim call to prayer beyond it's first few syllables. Again, he would be an idiot if he did not know at least those.
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THHuxley wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:And YOU are just an INSIGNIFICANT Islamically second class MUSLIMAH who cares what YOU think. Sorry who cares what your MASTER allows you to think.
Yet another brilliant demonstration of logic and reasoning by Pragmatist. If he didn't have mindless bigotry going for him, his skull would implode from the vacuum.
I thought Pragna is Muslim.

He admitted that he has muslim wives in Indonesia.

Am I wrong?

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Pragmatist wrote:Oops again CAT In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies." FYI In the State School he attended it is NOT compulsory for all pupils to study the Koran ONLY Muslims are required to do so and it is DEFINITELY not compulsory to study the Quoran in the MULTI FAITH Francis Assisi Catholic run school he attended and where as a REGISTERED MUSLIM he also took Koranic Studies. He was also registered as a MUSLIM in both the schools he attended AND friends and Teachers remember him as a DEVOUT Mohammedan (...)
Obama -made faces- during Koranic studies, so the teacher had to write to his mother. And that's a prove he was a DEVOUT Mohammedan, says Pragmatist. Once you get to know the Neocon mindset, you'll see that apocalyptic false analogy, such as this, is their trademark.

False analogies are the sine qua non of the Neocon mindset. They'll drown you with them. It's also the basic of all conspiracy theories of which Neocons feed their worshipers with. Once you see their constant analogy falsity, Neocons are -nothing- but be fear-mongered. Here, the false analogy being that since Obama studied in a multi-faith school in Indonesia at age 8 to 10, he's still 'obviously' a 'devout' Muslim!

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/b ... muslim.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school) run by Wahabbists, and in any case it's unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-mindedness. (...)

CNN has tracked down the school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster described as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," he told CNN. A classmate of Obama's described the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending.
Not to mention that in the 60s Indonesia was far less committed to Islam than it is now! False analogy still to raise hatred from fear!
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CNN debunks false report about Obama
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment." Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes. "I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it." "It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school." The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
Appallingly irresponsible is the Neocon agenda of spewing industrial false analogies, of which conspiracy theories are made of. Nothing can kill such theories except plain common good sense, because they come out from our superstitious primitive encroachment.

The belief in 'bad spirit' or Jinn: With the Neocons, it's Halloween all year long...
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The Cat wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:
The Cat wrote:What exactly do you have against Human Rights?
How TYPICAL of the unscrupulous CHARLATANS who comprise OBAMANUTS and not surprisingly due to their GULLIBILITY Green NAZIS too to define all those who expose their stupidity as Neo Cons and anti Human Rights. Well sorry to infringe YOUR Human Rights to believe in the Global Warming fairy tale being spun by the Green NAZIS using the NATURAL phenomenon of CLIMATE CHANGE as cover in an attempt to CONTROL the economy and to attack Capitalism
What Human Rights have to do with green politics and attack on capitalism? Do you think they are a leftist damnation?
Pragmatist wrote:The same hysterically deluded people, of which I catagorize you by your every post as one, are in the main Obama worshipers, Yuman Rites spouting, Multi Culti, anti capitalist, Moonbats and Green Nazis.
False analogy again, mixing Human Rights with anti-capitalism and green 'nazis' so to discredit them and elude the question.

False analogies are not the responsible answer, but Neocons aren't capable of ANY discernment at all!
It's always to be black/white, good/evil. They're simply incapable of nuances, let alone understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Human rights refer to the "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled." Examples of rights and freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.” —Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
Again: What -exactly- do you have against Human Rights, or 'Yuman Rites' as you demean them?
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Pragmatist wrote:By the way don't forget the NAZIS were the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Do you know that Neo-conservatism is a Socialist ideology coming out from ex-leninists and trotskyists, like David Horowitz?

Yes, Neocons are from a socialist background too, named Social Conservatism... same as in most Islamic countries!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values or behaviors based on the belief that these are what keep people civilized and decent. (...)

Social conservatives in many countries generally: favor the pro-life position in the abortion controversy and oppose embryonic stem cell research; support the death penalty, oppose same-sex marriage and other marriages social conservatives consider the establishment of to be contrary to traditional marriage, and the nuclear family model as society's foundational unit; oppose expansion of civil marriage and child adoption rights to couples in homosexual relationships; promote public morality and traditional family values; oppose secularism and privatization of religious belief; support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution and euthanasia; and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency.

Many Christian democratic and Islamic parties around the world are socially conservative.
In plain facts, Neocons aren't that far away from Islamic fundamentalism on crushing issues, as we can see above.

Western societies aren't so based on religious family nucleus, but on the individual rights within secular societies.

That's what they want to change in their 'intelligent design' of a society... It's an Evangelical way of thinking decency.

In America, they would have to twist and change the Constitution in order to make it happens the way they want...
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60survivor wrote:
Bob wrote:I'm sorry to butt it but can someone give me a succinct answer to the following point? Thanks

Ali Sina has claimed on numerous occasions that (sorry to return to such a worn-out subject) Obama has spent a fortune in legal fees in order to prevent the 'truth' of his Kenyan birth being revealed. These expenses for Ali Sina constitute 'proof' that Obama is lying about his place of birth.

I read so many contradictory reports when I google the subject. Has Obama, yes or no, spent tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees concerning the controversy of his place of birth? This is NOT a question about Obama's POB but of the legal fees that have purportedly ensued following disputed claims.
Hello Bob.

I found this, http://yedda.com/questions/CAIR_Lawyer_ ... 541577149/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's sure something to think about.
CAIR Lawyer Representing Obama in Lawsuit, Why This Attorney?

Here come another of those "Guilt by Associations" that Senator Barack Obama will try to weasel himself out of. As you may know, Philip Berg is suing Senator Obama in Civil Court. Berg wants Obama to Produce his real birth certificate to prove that he meets the citizenship requirements to be President. Rather than just product the birth certificate (is he trying to hide something?) Obama's legal team filed a motion to dismiss. One of the Lawyers filing the motion was Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young (see the document below).

If Mr. Sandler's name sounds familiar it Should. He is the Legal Hit Man for the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial.

Sandler's role for CAIR has been to stifle people from telling the truth about Islam. For example, last year he tried to get Jihad Expert Robert Spencer banned from speaking to the Young American Foundation, by using a threatening letter. Sandler followed up by threatening columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.

Look, everyone deserves legal representation that is not the Issue. The real issue is why is a candidate for President of the United States, a guy who wants to take over the role of Commander-in-Chief in the war on terror, using the Lawyer for CAIR a group with terrorist connections, to represent him in a law suit? Once again the Junior Senator from Illinois leave us with questions and no answers.

No mention of costs, but it would be interesting to know just how much Mr Obama has spent on legals to apparently 'hide' things about himself.

I found this about the law firm that is mentioned in the article above, seems the Democrats used them and it is very possible the Democrats are footing the bill for Obama, but as to the amount, it's apparently unknown.

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/expe ... cycle=2008" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Democratic National Cmte: Expenditure Detail
Election cycle:


Recipient Amount Description Date
Sandler, Reiff & Young $45,000 Legal Consulting Fees 07/08/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $45,000 Legal Consulting Fees 08/19/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $35,000 Legal Consulting Fees 06/03/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $35,000 Legal Consulting Fees 11/07/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $35,000 Legal Consulting Fees 10/14/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $35,000 Legal Consulting Fees 09/09/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $35,000 Legal Consulting Fees 12/09/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $2,559 Travel - Expense 09/09/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $2,060 Travel - Expense 10/14/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $1,575 Travel - Expense 07/08/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $1,331 Travel - Expense 06/03/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $991 Travel - Expense 11/07/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $490 Travel - Expense 08/19/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $429 Travel - Expense 12/09/08
Sandler, Reiff & Young $177 Off Maint - General 11/07/08
METHODOLOGY: The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs, Levin money donors, and individuals giving $200 or more, as reported to the Federal Election Commission.

NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2008 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released on December 31, 1969.
Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but please credit the Center for Responsive Politics. For permission to reprint for commercial uses, such as textbooks, contact the Center.
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The real issue is that he has locked-up all information about himself and is paying to do so and keep it that way, an amount that would far exceed what it would cost to simply produce the records of his past and put all this matter to bed.

Why do you think he is hiding all this information Bob?
Do you think it is just a bit strange?

60survivor, hello

The fact that Sandler simply represented CAIR means nothing about his personal inclinations. Have you had no dealings with lawyers yourself?. Do you think a lawyer would make a distinction between Madonna and Guy Ritchie in their divorce suit and refuse to represent one rather than the other on moral grounds? A client is a client is a client. Here's some info I've found on Sandler.
The 2007 edition of the Chambers USA guide to U.S. law firms names Mr. Sandler as one of eleven leading attorneys practicing political law in the country. He is the author of chapters on congressional ethics and the Foreign Agents' Registration Act for The Lobbying Manual published by the Section of Administrative Law and Regulatory Practice of the American Bar Association. He chaired the task force on reform of FARA for the International Trade Committee of the ABA's Section on International Law; has served on the Executive Committee of the Election Law Committee of the ABA's Administrative Law Section; and currently serves on the Advisory Board of that Committee. He has spoken on numerous panels on campaign finance law and campaign finance reform sponsored by bar associations, colleges and universities and advocacy organizations.

Mr. Sandler graduated from Harvard College summa cum laude in 1975 and from Harvard Law School with honors in 1978.
So, just a top Washington lawyer who clearly works for lobbies including CAIR.

The fees you quote do not indicate the sums of money reportedly spent by Obama on disputes concerning his POB

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Where can I send my money for Obama to defend him especially on corn on the COLB issue? :D

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THHuxley wrote:
Pragmatist wrote: Well he is ON RECORD as stating the Mohammedan call to prayer and the Shahada which he HAS MEMORISED are the MOST beautiful sounds in the world. And this of course below is just more CONSPIRACY against the LIAR Mesiah. You know OBAMANUTS cognitive dissonance is really PATHETIC
It is fascinating that Pragmatist never seems to get a single detail right.

1. Obama never said anything about the Shahada being a beautiful sound.

2. He did not say the call to prayer was "the most beautiful sound in the world." He said it was "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." If you cannot tell a difference, well... it is because you are who you are.

3. If you have not memorized the Shahada just after being on Fathfreedom.org for the last however you've been here, then you are stupid. Obama, not being stupid, should be expected to have the Shahada memorized after living for several years in a Muslim country.

4. There is no evidence that Obama has memorized the Muslim call to prayer beyond it's first few syllables. Again, he would be an idiot if he did not know at least those.
There we agree he IS an idiot.

Ahh of course the PEDANTIC Obamabot HUXLEY resorts to ISLAMIC like word play lets see the difference Oh yes the second phrase has' SUNSET' and 'ONE OF THE' in it so that makes everything OK and makes Obama wonderful. I already knew you would plumb any depths jump through any hoops to defend your Messiah but this one is a doozy :prop: :prop: :prop:
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Idesigner wrote:Where can I send my money for Obama to defend him especially on corn on the COLB issue? :D
Don't worry your little head Obama has many many hidden backers funding him already (Buffet to name but one) he does not need your measly few dollars.
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The Cat wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:
The Cat wrote:What exactly do you have against Human Rights?
How TYPICAL of the unscrupulous CHARLATANS who comprise OBAMANUTS and not surprisingly due to their GULLIBILITY Green NAZIS too to define all those who expose their stupidity as Neo Cons and anti Human Rights. Well sorry to infringe YOUR Human Rights to believe in the Global Warming fairy tale being spun by the Green NAZIS using the NATURAL phenomenon of CLIMATE CHANGE as cover in an attempt to CONTROL the economy and to attack Capitalism
What Human Rights have to do with green politics and attack on capitalism? Do you think they are a leftist damnation?
Pragmatist wrote:The same hysterically deluded people, of which I catagorize you by your every post as one, are in the main Obama worshipers, Yuman Rites spouting, Multi Culti, anti capitalist, Moonbats and Green Nazis.
False analogy again, mixing Human Rights with anti-capitalism and green 'nazis' so to discredit them and elude the question.

False analogies are not the responsible answer, but Neocons aren't capable of ANY discernment at all!
It's always to be black/white, good/evil. They're simply incapable of nuances, let alone understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Human rights refer to the "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled." Examples of rights and freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.” —Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
Again: What -exactly- do you have against Human Rights, or 'Yuman Rites' as you demean them?[/quote]

No need to show everyone that your comprehension abilities are not very good its plain to see. I said the people who support 'Yuman Rites' which in its imposition on Western Democracies has only served to safeguard the 'rights' of criminals and Terrorists are idiots. Witness the UK Governments Yuman Rites driven STUPIDITY they took an ETHIOPIAN Terrorist who was in GITMO and who was originally caught with a FALSE passport and terrorist literature trying to board a flight to UK from Pakistan after absconding from UK where he was an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and going to AFGHANISTAN he says to 'try and get rid of his DRUG ADDICTION :prop: :prop: ' and to study the CULTURE :worthy: . The UK spent $500,000 chartering an aircraft to fly him back to UK and are now giving him 24/7 Police protection a safe house and Social Security benefits plus Legal Aid so he can sue the UK Government. AND ALL IN THE NAME OF HUMAN RIGHTS WHICH YOU FIND SO WONDERFUL. This is but ONE example of the STUPIDITY Yuman Rites legislation has inflicted across the whole of the Western World and YOUR Messiah loves it too. Whatever happened to COMMON SENSE it flew out of the window when 'Yuman Rites' flew in.


Because of Yuman Rites Geert Wilders a non violent citizen of the EU and Member of the Dutch Parliament gets banned from UK but Mohammedan hate preachers are allowed in to preach their hate at UK's LEFT WING DHIMMI, MULTI CULTI, MORAL EQUIVALENCE, MOHAMMEDAN SYMPATHISING, ANTI SEMITIC UNIVERSITIES Mohammedan SCUM preachers who live in UK get protection and social security benefits, because of Yuman rites it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE for any illegal immigrant to be deported from the UK no matter what evil he does or preaches or whatever crimes he commits, because of Yuman rites Mohammedan SCUM are allowed to protest when BRITISH TROOPS march in a BRITISH TOWN calling them 'cowards and baby killers' guess who got arrested the BRITISH people who were angry at the Mohammedan SCUM that's who no Yuman Rites for them.


But I guess in your [b]MOONBAT[/b] eyes that's all OK.

But because I see this INSANITY for what it is that makes me a NEO CON in your eyes doesn't it well I would hate to say what your support for INSANITY makes you in my eyes.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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The Cat wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:By the way don't forget the NAZIS were the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Do you know that Neo-conservatism is a Socialist ideology coming out from ex-leninists and trotskyists, like David Horowitz?

Yes, Neocons are from a socialist background too, named Social Conservatism... same as in most Islamic countries!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes the government has a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values or behaviors based on the belief that these are what keep people civilized and decent. (...)

Social conservatives in many countries generally: favor the pro-life position in the abortion controversy and oppose embryonic stem cell research; support the death penalty, oppose same-sex marriage and other marriages social conservatives consider the establishment of to be contrary to traditional marriage, and the nuclear family model as society's foundational unit; oppose expansion of civil marriage and child adoption rights to couples in homosexual relationships; promote public morality and traditional family values; oppose secularism and privatization of religious belief; support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution and euthanasia; and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency.

Many Christian democratic and Islamic parties around the world are socially conservative.
In plain facts, Neocons aren't that far away from Islamic fundamentalism on crushing issues, as we can see above.

Western societies aren't so based on religious family nucleus, but on the individual rights within secular societies.

That's what they want to change in their 'intelligent design' of a society... It's an Evangelical way of thinking decency.

In America, they would have to twist and change the Constitution in order to make it happens the way they want...
Ahh I see it hurts to have your left wing stupidity exposed for what it is and its obvious conclusions pointed out to you I bet you really hate it when its pointed out and you know that the most vile regime ever to be imposed on planet earth was left wing SOCIALIST Nazism closely followed by left wing SOCIALIST Russian Communism both of which were responsible for the deaths of HUNDREDS of millions and that is without mentioning left wing SOCIALIST Communist China who also killed MILLIONS of their own too. Those FACTS must be really comforting to you as you watch and ACTUALLY SUPPORT the LIAR Obama Messiah as he drives the USA further and further down the same path. His similarities to Hitler grow day by day just look at the CIVILIAN ARMY answerable directly to him he is raising TICK, Charismatic LYING Leader TICK, Cult of personality TICK, Anti Semitic TICK, Pro Mohammedan TICK. OBAMANUTS are truly DELUSIONAL :prop: :prop: :prop:
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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Coshida wrote:
It has just been proved on another thread exactly what you are you brain damaged insignificant Muslimah. Quit while you are only hugely embarrassed don't wait to be totally humiliated.


I'm sure it has. On another thread, eh? Let"s see this other thread

Well lets see shall we '
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And here too viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1535&start=50" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:roflmao: :roflmao:

You think people don't notice you silly insignificant Muslimah
You just gave two examples of me making fun of you. You also showed me that you didn't understand the usage of the word "special". :lol:

You are comedy gold.

Coshida you insignificant Muslimah if you think you made fun of me then you really are delusional.
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Re: The one and only Obama thread ( continued)

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THHuxley wrote:
Pragmatist wrote:And YOU are just an INSIGNIFICANT Islamically second class MUSLIMAH who cares what YOU think. Sorry who cares what your MASTER allows you to think.
Yet another brilliant demonstration of logic and reasoning by Pragmatist. If he didn't have mindless bigotry going for him, his skull would implode from the vacuum.
If you had even bothered to look at our previous correspondence you would know the CONTEXT in which that was written. But no in an effort to score a CHEAP point and to get your acolyte The CAT purring you just jump in with both feet. Muslimah's are treated as INSIGNIFICANT by the CULT of Islam so why should WE presume they are not Muslimah's are the PROPERTY of their Fathers(or nearest MALE relative if he is dead) until they are married when they become the PROPERTY of their Husbands hence MASTER.

But no the HYPOCRITICAL HUCKSTER who is no slouch at the ad hominem game himself just has to jump in with both feet and PROVE once again what an idiotic, arrogant, egotistical fool he is.
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