Apparently, close to almost every larger mosque in Pakistan you find, of all things a second hand shoe shop...

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080227090355AAxQHpd&guccounter=1What to do if your shoes got stolen at the mosque?
....Nothing really to do. It has happened to me many times. I also had coats stolen and even had my wallet stolen during Jummah prayers a few times, right out of my pocket.
... it has happened to me! but then it was in Mecca and i guess those things happen there.... i got those flat rubber slippers from the ladies around the corner selling them.. i missed mine.but then what can you do? i got a new pair when i came back home.
20:12"Surely I am your Lord, therefore put off your shoes; surely you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa"
"Why have you taken off your sandals? Perhaps you have interpreted this ayat, 'Remove your sandals. You are in the pure valley of Tuwa?' (Sura 20 ayat 12) Do you know what the sandals of Musa were?"
Ibn `Umar used to spend the night at Dhi-Tuwa in between the two Thaniyas and then he would enter Mecca through the Thaniya which is at the higher region of Mecca,
Eagle wrote:The corruption of the past scriptures isnt absolute and neither does the Quran say so. The Quran makes the observable, historical reality that they are an amalgam of truth and falsehood. The Quran is also called muhaymin/guardian and furqan/criterion because it is the only means and hope by which the people of the book can discern truth from wrong in their scriptures.
Muslims take their shoes off because they emulate their prophet who preserved the way of his predecessors.
Of course the law isnt rigid, and has a spirit, like every divine ordinance, hence the prophet Muhammad's flexibility in the matter.
Well, let's have a quick look.
Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) was asked, “Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) pray wearing shoes?” He said, “Yes.” (al-Bukhaari, 386; Muslim, 555)
“While the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was leading his companions in prayer, he took off his shoes and placed them to his left. When the people saw that, they took off their shoes too. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) finished his prayer, he asked, ‘What made you take off your shoes?’ They said, ‘We saw you take off your shoes, so we took ours off too.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Jibreel (peace be upon him) came to me and told me that there was something dirty on them.’ When any one of you comes to the mosque, let him look and if he sees anything dirty on his shoes, let him wipe them and then pray in them.” (Abu Dawood, 650; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 605).
“Be different from the Jews, who do not pray in their shoes or in their leather slippers (khufoof).” (Abu Dawood, 652; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 607)
You are so obsessed with Petra.Takeiteasynow wrote:Eagle wrote:20:12"Surely I am your Lord, therefore put off your shoes; surely you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa"
Very interesting. The hadith associates sandals and shoes with Musa (Moses) and a precise location."Why have you taken off your sandals? Perhaps you have interpreted this ayat, 'Remove your sandals. You are in the pure valley of Tuwa?' (Sura 20 ayat 12) Do you know what the sandals of Musa were?"
And then provides the precise location:Ibn `Umar used to spend the night at Dhi-Tuwa in between the two Thaniyas and then he would enter Mecca through the Thaniya which is at the higher region of Mecca,
That is, according to Dan Gibson's data model, in Wadi Musa or the valley of Moses which has two Thaniyas connecting it with Petra. It is the precise location where Moses passed through the valley and struck water from the rock for his followers at the site of Ain Musa (Moses's water spring).
The root of tw resolves in Hebrew and Imperial Aramaic to "bow down deeply".
Another piece of the original Haij resolved!
You are so obsessed with Petra.
Most important is the Kaaba. It is the mother's place of all religions.Takeiteasynow wrote:You are so obsessed with Petra.
Tssk. This was only 5 minutes work and yet there are numerous more leads about Tuwa in the hadith which I shall address in a new post. But it is also a systematical approach to collect as much circumstantial evidence as possible. Many topics are usable, from 'Colored mountains' (yours) to shoes.
So right now I am anticipating new topics. How about socks or shirts? I am sure Manfred can frame these into a theological debate.
SAM wrote:Most important is the Kaaba. It is the mother's place of all religions.Takeiteasynow wrote:You are so obsessed with Petra.
Tssk. This was only 5 minutes work and yet there are numerous more leads about Tuwa in the hadith which I shall address in a new post. But it is also a systematical approach to collect as much circumstantial evidence as possible. Many topics are usable, from 'Colored mountains' (yours) to shoes.
So right now I am anticipating new topics. How about socks or shirts? I am sure Manfred can frame these into a theological debate.
Is the Kaaba located in Mecca or Petra?
Takeiteasynow wrote:SAM wrote: Most important is the Kaaba. It is the mother's place of all religions.
Is the Kaaba located in Mecca or Petra?
I never thought so but indeed, it seems that there is a mother's place of all religions, starting from 1700 BC, after a meteor destroyed cities now known as Sodom and Gomorrah, next to the Sea of Galilee. All Quranic locations resolve in Imperial Aramaic so most likely it is Petra. But there is no conclusive evidence yet as alternative theories need to be eliminated. But there are two locations in the central Haram of Petra with the exact measurements mentioned in the hadith. Work in progress.
Imagine during his days what would have happened if someone stole Muhammad's sandals as a souvenir.?manfred wrote:Eagle, so Muslims take off their shoes because of a passage from Exodus, the text they call "corrupt"?
Did Mohammed pray with his shoes on or off? Or did it vary?
And when he did take them off, did he say others should also do that? Or did he say something different?
So it seem tacitly you do admit that, those "old scriptures" do serve a guiding path to the Quran itself.Eagle wrote:The corruption of the past scriptures isnt absolute and neither does the Quran say so. The Quran makes the observable, historical reality that they are an amalgam of truth and falsehood. The Quran is also called muhaymin/guardian and furqan/criterion because it is the only means and hope by which the people of the book can discern truth from wrong in their scriptures.
"Predecessors" means only one thing - Jews & Christian prophets. Moreover, it does take a form of flexibility by someone when he / she repeats ritual practiced by others hundred or even thousands of years earlier.Muslims take their shoes off because they emulate their prophet who preserved the way of his predecessors.
Of course the law isnt rigid, and has a spirit, like every divine ordinance, hence the prophet Muhammad's flexibility in the matter.
You mean next to the Dead Sea which indeed it is close to Petra.Takeiteasynow wrote:I never thought so but indeed, it seems that there is a mother's place of all religions, starting from 1700 BC, after a meteor destroyed cities now known as Sodom and Gomorrah, next to the Sea of Galilee. All Quranic locations resolve in Imperial Aramaic so most likely it is Petra. But there is no conclusive evidence yet as alternative theories need to be eliminated. But there are two locations in the central Haram of Petra with the exact measurements mentioned in the hadith. Work in progress.
Before the Qa'aba was built, it was the Zoroastrian, then Judea, then Christianity. After it was bult it was used to house which housed 360 pagan gods and served as central place to Pagan worshipers - until Uncle Muhammad came a chick-teakSAM wrote:Which religion existed before the Kaaba was built?
Proto-Semitic, Animistic, Paganism, and Polytheistic (Buddhism and Hinduism) are not religions. It is worship or belief in various deities, which are usually their own cultural rituals.Takeiteasynow wrote:Well some kind of Proto-Semitic religion or polytheistic religions of the Semitic peoples. But after the Ka'ba was built it wasn't that much better.
hombre wrote:Imagine during his days what would have happened if someone stole Muhammad's sandals as a souvenir.?
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