smoking the pot same as having a glass of strong drink?

[Nosuperstition]

According to one book on Nostradamus written by Stephen Paulus which I purchased in 1999,the annual quantity top soil being lost due to soil erosion in the U.S is equal to the total top soil India has.Now that only proves that the North America which is a new civilisation due to not being cultivated for 2 millenia prior to European settlements can withstand environmental damage due to loss of natural resources for a much greater period than India which has had continuous civilsation in much of the subcontinent for more than 2500 years.Hence unless Indians be they are of any religion remain economic with what is produced by the soil,they might not last as far as the Western civilisation. As far as I am concerned as soon as Indic religions lose their hold on the natives,the land will/might lose its glory.

[manfred]

Not sure a Nostradamus book is a good source for soil erosion data...

Here is a little map of the world resources institute.



India overall also has serious problems in that area, more in the Western half, though. The US and India have opposite problems where the soil erosion is worst in their respective countries: In Western India it is the Monsoon that causes most of the damage, in Central US is lack of rain and dust storms.

[Nosuperstition]

along with consuming costly liquor

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Consuming liquor also ruins the smooth running of many families just like drug addictions ruin many lives.

[manfred]

NS, pretty much any adult in Eastern Europe or Russia drinks Vodka, at least from time to time. In fact, outside the Muslim world, one from of liquor or another is common place.

While alcohol CAN cause an addiction and many social problems, it does not routinely do that. It is a question of how much and how often.

[Fernando]

drinking costly liquor

It might be as well to mention this paradox too: liquor is only costly because it is heavily taxed... to limit the damage done by drinking it (allegedly)*. True, fine wines and spirits have higher manufacturing costs, but for instance in the UK the cheapest bottle of wine is about £3.50 but without tax, the wine in the bottle is worth only about 35p. Home-brewed alcohol is even cheaper.
Alcohol also has calories and beer has more - not a good food substitute, though.

*The Scottish government is going the raise the price but only of the cheapest alcohol, to stop poor people drinking too much. There are fears, however, that people will turn to dangerous drinks like methylated spirits instead.

[Nosuperstition]

While alcohol CAN cause an addiction and many social problems, it does not routinely do that. It is a question of how much and how often.

My grandfather from my paternal side is supposed to have drinked a lot and then beat up my grandmother.Now when my father grew up and got a job,one of the first things my grandma is supposed to have asked him is to beat up her husband who abused her a lot under the influence of wine.My father said no telling her that whatever she underwent was her karma.

Not that my father loved drink.For example he once mentioned to me that when he asked his dad for things such as compass box or geometry box in his school days,his dad replied to him that drink is his first child and my father is only his second child and that he would only feed his second child if only any amount is left after giving his first child its due.

My father also told me that in his village,a woman told him that only his father i.e my grand dad and one more person are real males.Rest are supposedly not that male as they all bend to the wishes of their wives and do accordingly.Now if correct,my grandfather also told my father that all women are manifestations of Adi Paraasakti i.e the primeval Supreme female power and therefore they must be kept under control else they will subdue men.

So as far as I am concerned alcohol only brings detriment to lower class families in that the money wasted on drink if spent on feeding the children iron and fat rich diet would help them succeed much more in academic terms.

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In Telugu literature too phrase madiraa paana madavatee laalasa i.e the greed of prostitutes as well as alcohol is used to describe the detrimental effects of alcohol.The highly Sankritised Telugu phrase which I described just now might not be a newly coined one.

[Nosuperstition]

As I can observe from the facial expressions,Justine Sharpio,the Jewish American traveller who works for the Discovery Channel was feeling quite uneasy when she was in Kerala in India seated amidst the locals who were partying hard with coconut liquor.That is because liquor brings out your worst traits which are kept under leash in sober conditions.

[Nosuperstition]

Hindus in the old forum mentioned that by being vegetarian,many of them had been eco-friendly as heavy meat consumption is harmful to the eco-system.Now if I am correct the muscles of one's body are weakened due to liquor consumption and in order to regain the original stamina,they have to eat meat once again and then exercise.Now that is not exactly being eco-friendly.In this aspect muslims seem to be more eco-friendly than Hindus.

[Fernando]

Hindus in the old forum mentioned that by being vegetarian,many of them had been eco-friendly as heavy meat consumption is harmful to the eco-system.Now if I am correct the muscles of one's body are weakened due to liquor consumption and in order to regain the original stamina,they have to eat meat once again and then exercise.Now that is not exactly being eco-friendly.In this aspect muslims seem to be more eco-friendly than Hindus.

I doubt drinking alcohol weakens the muscles, unless people drink so much that they become lazy and move less, or so much that they eat very little and become short of protein. In neither case would it be a direct effect of the alcohol.

[Nosuperstition]

Hindus in the old forum mentioned that by being vegetarian,many of them had been eco-friendly as heavy meat consumption is harmful to the eco-system.Now if I am correct the muscles of one's body are weakened due to liquor consumption and in order to regain the original stamina,they have to eat meat once again and then exercise.Now that is not exactly being eco-friendly.In this aspect muslims seem to be more eco-friendly than Hindus.

I doubt drinking alcohol weakens the muscles, unless people drink so much that they become lazy and move less, or so much that they eat very little and become short of protein. In neither case would it be a direct effect of the alcohol.

What about alcohol being a snake for the human liver?Even Hindus who believe not in the permanent eternal bodies resurrected from atom to atom on the day of judgement do not seem to be willing to donate livers to fellow Hindus even after death.

[manfred]

OK, as this is another one of those thread that goes round and round, here is a suggestion:

First do a standard task used to assess mental agility, for example in the diagnosis of Altzheimers:

Get your wife to tell you a random time of day, but not with quarter past or half past, so for example, 4:25 or similar.
Then draw a clock showing that time, free hand, with all the numbers normally on a clock.

Then drink half a bottle of brandy or whisky, in 30 minutes and repeat the task, with a new time on the clock.

The next day smoke a joint, and draw another clock.

The third day, put the three drawing next to each other, take a picture and post them in this thread. That should probably settle the question.

[Nosuperstition]

Not sure a Nostradamus book is a good source for soil erosion data..

The author of that book Stephen Paulus said one more interesting thing that shocked me.Even though the book is right now not available with me ,he asked would any of the big countries of Russia,India,the U.S or China sit quietly if a catastrophic famine is to befall any one of them.

[Nosuperstition]

Not sure a Nostradamus book is a good source for soil erosion data...

That book essentially painted a grim picture of the future with reference to past history and natural calamities and asked the reader not to think in terms the number of toys he has at the end of his life span to consider himself successful in life but instead exhorted him to lead a spiritual life so that the purpose of human life remained meaningful.

[Nosuperstition]

That book by a Western writer wants spirituality reinstated but pilgrim of the old forum said that upper caste Hindus want to deny the privileges of good education etc by preventing them from converting to Christianity.He said that those Hindus sincerely believe that those lower class Hindus will reincarnate as higher caste ones if they sincerely do their allotted duties.Or believe that they cycle and recycle a zillion times,their souls getting purified in the mean time and finally merge with or they themselves become Supreme beings.Ideas have consequences,good ideas good and bad ideas bad,he remarked.There he suggested materialism as a panacea.

Yohan in some other post told Hindus whom are you fooling,we know very well that you are materialist.So many contradictions from people on the same side of the aisle.