manfred wrote:That depends which Christians you are asking. All Christians would say that there is more to life than this this life and the real purpose of all men is to be "re-united" with God. "Heaven" is imagined by people in a lot of ways, from a sexual pleasure dome to a an analogy for meeting the divine. If you do not have a a belief in heaven then the images that people use to describe it tell you a lot about them.
Does Christanity tell that after death our spirit go to heaven or hell. And if it is heaven we meet our loved ones who had died and meet our pets, we don't have a physical body but just energy /spirit. Heaven is nothing but love .
iffo wrote:The reason i asked becsuse ipeople who have near death experience say all these things about heaven. That they met their loved ones and it is all unconditional love they felt their. But most of them who say so sre chridtains. I would say 99%.
I wonder since its in theiir subconcious so that why they see all these. NDE what Ali sina was quite excited about and i was quite convinced as well, but i have my
doubts now that it is indded trick your mind plays.
frankie wrote:iffo wrote:The reason i asked becsuse ipeople who have near death experience say all these things about heaven. That they met their loved ones and it is all unconditional love they felt their. But most of them who say so sre chridtains. I would say 99%.
I wonder since its in theiir subconcious so that why they see all these. NDE what Ali sina was quite excited about and i was quite convinced as well, but i have my
doubts now that it is indded trick your mind plays.
Iffo
Not all the people who have had NDE have been Christians, there have been atheists and people of other faiths, and so 99% is not proportional.
However, it would be right to say that a pious Christian does not need to have a NDE experience to know there is an after life, their faith is enough.
iffo wrote:frankie wrote:iffo wrote:The reason i asked becsuse ipeople who have near death experience say all these things about heaven. That they met their loved ones and it is all unconditional love they felt their. But most of them who say so sre chridtains. I would say 99%.
I wonder since its in theiir subconcious so that why they see all these. NDE what Ali sina was quite excited about and i was quite convinced as well, but i have my
doubts now that it is indded trick your mind plays.
Iffo
Not all the people who have had NDE have been Christians, there have been atheists and people of other faiths, and so 99% is not proportional.
However, it would be right to say that a pious Christian does not need to have a NDE experience to know there is an after life, their faith is enough.
True, there are people of other faiths as well , but by in large christains have their NDE. Yes pious christains do not need NDE to believe in heaven they depend on their faith. But then there are others who are not convinced unless there is some evidence.
Not sure if Ali still believes in NDE, which he called game changer. I was reading that there is a drug called DMT, given to people it produces same results as NDE. Interstingly DMT is also in human brian. If human brain releases this DMT at the time of death then it will explain why people have NDE.
True, there are people of other faiths as well , but by in large christains have their NDE
Interstingly DMT is also in human brian. If human brain releases this DMT at the time of death then it will explain why people have NDE.
manfred wrote:"Original sin" is understood as a propensity to sin, a concupiscence as Augustine describes. And "houses of gold"? Honestly.... If you found the one thing that is the completion of all desire, why would you want a house of gold...
The NT tells a funny story of the devil offering Jesus everything he can see... and Jesus refused. That is because none of that stuff matters.
frankie wrote:It is the spiritual body which will enter either of these “places “when the physical body dies, to know more, a reading of the N.T.would be helpful.
Nosuperstition wrote:frankie wrote:It is the spiritual body which will enter either of these “places “when the physical body dies, to know more, a reading of the N.T.would be helpful.
If so then why is there so much emphasis on land consuming burial last rites in Christianity.Aren't human beings resurrected from atom to atom on the Day of Judgement?Now apologists for the Spanish conquistadors at the racist site,the frontpagemag said that the Conquistador families had only one to two acres of land back in the Iberian peninsula so therefore they opted for stealing the land of the native Amerindians.If Christianity really doesn't teach about physical bodies,then they can opt for cremation,isn't it?
manfred wrote:Heaven and golden houses is nonsense, as are most imaginative descriptions of heaven.If God is that which completes you utterly and fulfils all desire, not by providing it at face value, but by giving something sublimely better instead, "golden house" will seem like a dung heap.
And the idea that God bribes people with possession (or sex) really is stupid.
Either way, NS, please don't start copying SAM. One is enough.sum wrote:Hello Nosuperstition
Who is the moron? Do you mean that the muslim means that you are the moron, or, is it that you think that manfred is the moron?
sum
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