
Here the paraclete is translated as "advocate" (one of a prophet's functions, and although anyone could potentially be qualified as an advocate, the context of its use in the Greek writings is that of an envoy from God) and is applied to Jesus the human prophet recognized by the multitudes as such Matt21:11, who was a human being "made like his brothers in every way"Heb2:17. So when Jesus prays God to send "another" paraclete in Jn14, one can justifiably argue that he is asking God to send another prophet like him who will be an advocate, a couselor and comforter. Like Jesus the advocate 1Jn2:1 and prophet of God Matt21:11. There was never "another" holy spirt. More on that point further down.1Jn2:1"..we have an advocate (paraclete) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
and not"he lives with you and is in you"
. The aim of bible editors is to promote the idea that the holyspirit was present in Jesus' lifetime but not indwelling the believers yet until Pentecost where the disciples where filled with the holy spirit, and that this is what Jesus meant when he said he will pray God to send "another" paraclete. But this verse's tense in early manuscripts clearly contradicts this notion, besides the simple fact that there was never "another" holy spirit. As a side note, why would it be impossible for the holyspirit to come to the disciples in Jesus' presence when it is established that it can indwell a limitless number of people simultaneously?"he lives with you and WILL BE in you"
This means that anyone recognizing Jesus as a human being sent by God can be said to have "the spirit of truth" in him such as Muhammad, and by extension the Muslims, as opposed to the spirit of falsehood dwelling in the world that rejects Jesus as God's human envoy.1Jn4"do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God..Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood".
The spirit of truth is therefore coming from God and filling those who recognize Jesus' true identity. Muhammad is the spirit of truth like each true believer in Jesus on his own is the spirit of truth and the disciples addressed by Jesus "know" the paraclete because he is like them filled with the spirit of truth"This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit..God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them".
Jn14:16-17"I will ask the Father, and he will give you another paraclete to help you and be with you forever, the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and is in you"
Jesus is clearing making this statement in the context of their total helplessness. In the precedent chapter Jn13 Jesus is speaking of his future betrayal, hinting to his death at the hands of the unbelievers. This added to their already existing sorrow from John and Zechariah's unjust murders which further emphasized their marginalisation and powerless situation. The disciples grieve, prior to the prophecy of the paraclete, at their master Jesus' rejection by his own people and over the fact that according to Matt24, and Jn16 they will all be persecuted and slaughtered as well as"Do not let your hearts be troubled".
, as repeated in Jn15. They grieved over the coming abomination and destruction of the Temple because of their nation's rejection of Jesus, and their repeated transgressions. In Matt24 Jesus was predicting gloomy days ahead which put the apostles in great distress. Their grief is about what Jesus prophesized as a whole regarding Israel."hated by all nations because of me"
Jn16:6"Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief".
He will convict those who rejected Jesus as a worthless liar. As Jesus prophesized many times in the NT, the rejectors were going to be punished for their rejection. For example, he alludes to this in the parable of the King, His Son, and the Servants. The paraclete will receive revelation, will establish justice and convict the guilty. That never happened in the life of the apostles. Men will see this person, and judgement will be laid down, because the people rejected Jesus. Did the apostles ever judge the world and condemn the guilty after allegedly receiving the indwelling Paraclete at Pentecoste? Did judgement ever descend on the gentiles at the hands of the apostles? It never did. Jesus in those statements is speaking in prophetic terminology by addressing them directly as is the case of the long term prediction made in Deut18 where God addresses the ISraelite community, saying that a specific prophet will come to them, but the intent is for the future. In Jesus' days, the Pharisees still awaited the fulfillement of that prophecy and questionned John, asking him if he was "that prophet". Even within the Greek writings, it is a recognized terminology to involve the audience in a long term prophecy. For example it is accepted that Jesus' second coming predictions, although explicitly spoken to the disciples and telling them that they will witness his return, was not meant for their generation.Jn16"and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged".
16:13-14"When the paraclete comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me..he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me.."
"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another paraclete"
43:59,5:14-16,75"O People of the Book, There has come to you Our messenger to explain to you much of what you have concealed of the book and pardoning much. There has come to you from Allah a light and an obvious book. Allah guides thereby those who follow His pleasure into the ways of peace and brings them out of darkness into the light by His permission and guides them to a straight path....The Messiah son of Marium is not except a messenger, indeed, the messengers before him have passed away".
A spirit is a man in 1Jn4.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
It has been established to any objective reader outside the fold of Christianity how the phenomenon of collective revelation cannot occur outside the messianic age as is alleged to have hapenned by the Greek writers during pentecost.
Just as is the case with the repetition that simultaneous revelation outside the messianic era is a possibility. This isnt a case of a scotsman fallacy, the original definition of what the messianic age was never changed. The proof of this is that no evidence has been shown that any Jewish group had a different interpretation of the messianic criteria. Which Jewish group ever thought the rebuilding of the physical temple in Jerusalem refers to some inner temple within Christians, or a multiplicity of buildings regardless of the geographical location? Which Jewish group ever thought that the end of disease and sin refers to the end of their previous "consequences"?3:45"whose name is al massih"
Religious teacher or not, it equates a spirit with a human being. This cancels the argument that the spirit of truth (with a small "s" according to the manuscripts of the NIV footnotes on 1Jn4:6) can only be some intangible entity.
of course it is not a name.
We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
manfred wrote:And previously you said about "messiah"...of course it is not a name.
Kalimatun, which means word or statement has a feminine designation. Yet the statement that follows uses the masculine, making Jesus and word/statement 2 distinct entities.3:45"Allah gives you good news with a word/kalima from Him (of one) whose name is al massih, Isa son of Marium".
Kalimatullah in these contexts is simply the word of God in the sense of His promise as amply used in the Quran 6:34,115,10:64,18:27 etc. Such divine word is a command that can never be reversed or altered once issued 13:41, it can be the promise of victory and assistance to the messengers and their followers, or the promise of chastisement to the rejecters, or again the promises of miracles or blessings whether in this life or the next etc.3:39"Allah gives you the good news of Yahya verifying a word/kalima from Allah".
Here Jesus represents God's statement or word from a different angle, he is the product of the creative word "Be" that was cast into Mary.4:171"The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary was none other than Allah's envoy and His statement/kalima, He casted it towards Mary including a life giving breath from Him (Allah)".
They are both the manifestation of the creative word.3:59"Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be", and he was".
God's creative word simply lays stress on His unlimited power to bring into being a new, and completely different chain of causes and effects, the length of which depends on perspective41:11"Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly".
As it says when speaking of the relativity of time from a human vs a divine perspective54:50"And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye".
70:6-7"Surely they think it to be far off, And We see it nigh".
Again, these verses are Medinian, addressing the people of the book and demonstrating the unprejudiced and non-discriminatory perspective of the Quran regarding prophethood, hence the passing mention of the prophetic line through Abraham and Ishmael (implicitly in 3:33) and the focus on the Israelite line.3:84,4:152,2:136"Say:'We believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Abraham and, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them. And to Him do we submit".
eagle wrote: manfred wrote:
And previously you said about "messiah"...
of course it is not a name.
The above was never written.
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