manfred wrote:This surprises you? As I said they are are testimony of FAITH. They wrote down for other what they believe and why. It is less of an "evolution" but an interpretation. They tell us their experience and what it means to them.
I can. He is real and right now lives in the Whitehouse.manfred wrote:If I said Donald Duck is real, how do you prove me wrong?
manfred wrote:(we don't know exactly who they are, maybe friends of the family, many some relatives)
manfred wrote:maybe they feared a scandal, or possibly violence
manfred wrote:Mary therefore did not call Jesus mad, as she only arrived at the scene after that. And the whole passage says nothing at all about what Mary actually believed about Jesus at that time.
manfred wrote:Similarly, the passing reference in John's gospel that Mary asked people to do as Jesus had requested hardly amounts to much. If you say to your son "put the rice on the table" and your wife says "do as he says." does that mean your wife believes you are the son of God?
again a crowd gathered, When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind”
what prophet did or said usually are quite scandalous, & people shouldnt stop thing that prophet do,
After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they travelled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him.
49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.
51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
manfred wrote:The word used is not "family" is the way we understand that. It is "family" in the classical sense: people connected to you in every day life. It COULD be blood relatives, but also people like your neighbours, friends your work colleagues, anyone who makes up "your world".
manfred wrote:Then ten verses later we are told we are told who were NOT involved in calling Jesus "mad": his mother and his brothers.
manfred wrote:Why did Mary go there?
manfred wrote:Well wouldn't any mother on hearing her son may be in possible trouble?
manfred wrote:This contradicts your idea Mary was either ignorant of who her son was or thought him mad, and does not match the story line. (Unless you are suggesting Mary had Altzheimer's disease and had forgotten what happened the day before.)
why Jesus respond to them with the response as if those who believe that Jesus is Son of God/Messenger of God/not crazy preacher,
manfred wrote:garudaman, we are going round in circles. I have explained it to you, several times now.
manfred wrote:Why do you put two verses together as if they follow each other, when they are ten verses apart?
manfred wrote:And this is a topic about the Qur'an, so why do you want lengthy discussions about the gospels? It certainly seems that the texts themselves have little interest for you.
manfred wrote:You know that there are serious problems with the Qur'an's treatment of Mary, so rather than trying to address those you are trying, very feebly, to find problems about Mary in the gospels too.
manfred wrote:Do you really misunderstand that part so completely?
I already mentioned that to you too. This is what Mark wanted to say by telling the whole story... Jesus is starting his ministry, and he needs to step away from his immediate family to do that effectively.
manfred wrote:Jesus is not responding to the "mad" thing here at all, he is explaining that he is here for all people with good intentions and not just for his family.
manfred wrote:Sometimes this passage is read when a man or a woman joins a monastery, to remind people that in following Christ closely, you need to give family and friends "second place".
debunked explanation is not explanation.
his family
they went to take charge of him,
l?you mean based on your unhistorical Gospel? so why i should address "that problem" while "that problem" actually isnt really problem as your base actually is unhistorica
you mean if their families & friends arent also joins to ministry, right?
manfred wrote:already explained. "family" is used more more loosely in ancient times than we do today. We know from what follows that his mother and his brothers were not meant with that, as they were not yet present.
manfred wrote:verses 33-35
Jesus refuses to be called by his mother, saying that he wants to finish what he started.
manfred wrote:The problem in the Qur'an is that it says Jesus is the nephew of Moses, that they knew each other, and Moses was the uncle of Jesus, as Mary was the sister of Moses. Either that or Mary was 1400 years old when Jesus was born....whichever of the two you prefer.
manfred wrote:A MONASTERY is a place where monks (or nuns) live.
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