MohamedLuq93 wrote:I was arguing with a Muslim regarding the Quranic verses 36:37-40. I claimed the Quran uses the geocentric approach because verses 36:38 states that the sun goes to its stopping point/resting place. The other person them immediately said that this is referring to the lifetime/lifespan of the sun. I feel this doesn't make any sense Because when we look at the verses before and after, his interpretation doesn't make sense coz we see the verses speaking about a sign, that is the "Night" And what has the night got to do with the lifespan of the sun? Do you think his interpretation is out of context? what are your thoughts on his interpretation?
36:37 - And a sign for them is the night. We remove from it [the light of] day, so they are [left] in darkness.
36:38 - And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
36:39 - And the moon - We have determined for it phases, until it returns [appearing] like the old date stalk.
36:40 - It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
The Arabs of those days might have been excellent at the astronomy of their times, but they had no knowledge of the cosmology that recognises that the sun is a star and that stars have a lifetime. Their primitive understanding can be seen fromMohamedLuq93 wrote:Yep. It is indeed primitive knowledge. What do you think Not Ibn Kathir's second view where he states that the suns appointed time comes to and end? Can this be included as a valid interpretation? Because the verses start by saying the night is a sign. I was wondering what has the night got to do with the lifespan of the sun.
The other person them immediately said that this is referring to the lifetime/lifespan of the sun.
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one day said: Do you know where the Sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the Sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything (unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith.
Sahih Muslim 1:297
frankie wrote:The fact the earth is a sphere (as too are the sun, moon and all the known planets)is proved by eclipses ,either a solar eclipse, when the Moon's shadow crosses the Earth's surface, or a lunar eclipse, when the Moon moves into the Earth's shadow.
All "fit "perfectly together because they are the same shape, ROUND.
Hombre wrote:Muhammad,
Had you stayed long enough to argue with the Muslim guy - sure enough, he would also "prove" to you that, Einstein's Theory of Relativity was originated in the Quran.
How the hell a manuscript made of only 6626 sentences, contain all humanity's wisdom & knowledge?. The Hebrew Bible & new Testament - each 3 time bigger then the Quran don't claim such outrageous feat as Muslims to for the Quran.
Garudaman wrote:night = time the sun stop shining/rest = darkness = no glare = convenience = the sign that universe intentionally has been tuned for human convenience
Well, at least this is consistent with the idea in your sig that air was designed to allow birds to fly. Equally wrong, of course.Garudaman wrote:night = time the sun stop shining/rest = darkness = no glare = convenience = the sign that universe intentionally has been tuned for human convenience
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