Proof the Quran is corrupted

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frankie
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Proof the Quran is corrupted

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Attention, all Arabic speaking Muslims(and Non Muslims)

This Arabic speaking ex Muslim presents the case for a corrupted Quran, which should not be the case as the Quran is allegedly from a divine being, who claims to have preserved his words for all time.

This man proves this not to be the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlb81KCvYFA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSkDXXpNSI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; part 2

“One more nail in the coffin” for Islam.


n.b.The video is presented by an English speaking ex Muslim, who learnt Arabic whilst he was a Muslim.

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I've only watched part 1 but I see a problem: one version is common only in parts of Africa. Acting as Devil's Advocate, I would say that that relatively small number of Korans is corrupted and should be burned. No true Scotsman fallacy, of course.
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frankie wrote:Attention, all Arabic speaking Muslims(and Non Muslims)

This Arabic speaking ex Muslim presents the case for a corrupted Quran, which should not be the case as the Quran is allegedly from a divine being, who claims to have preserved his words for all time.

This man proves this not to be the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlb81KCvYFA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSkDXXpNSI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; part 2

“One more nail in the coffin” for Islam.


n.b.The video is presented by an English speaking ex Muslim, who learnt Arabic whilst he was a Muslim.

Dear frankie, see the links I have provided about so called different readings. The quran was revealed as a single reading all other changes in words etc are mistakes made by copiers of the quran and they can be traced back to the time and place they occurred.

Muslims never had different versions of the quran the so called different versions can be explained leaving no doubt the quran is transmitted as a single reading.

Let me show you videos about it which may help you realise your mistake




regards and all the best.

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Mughal
The quran was revealed as a single reading all other changes in words etc are mistakes made by copiers of the quran and they can be traced back to the time and place they occurred.
So you are saying that Allah allowed his words to be mistranslated by man?

What sort of god permits his alleged infallible words to be changed by fallible human beings?

And on whose authority did Uthman burn copies of the Quran, there is nothing in the hadiths which tell Muslims Uthman had Allah's permission to burn Allah's alleged eternal scriptures to mankind, which makes the case that Uthman considered himself equal to Allah.

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Anyway Mughal, isn't the Koran supposed to be protected by Allah from being altered? If you are correct, that can only mean that the edition on the Preserved Tablet is protected - and so all mere printed or handwritten copies are suspect.
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@mughal
I was just watching couple of threads where you claim that the current day quran is the one revealed to muhammad.You also claim that history written in books proves that. I see you quote lengthy videos and dozens of links in defense. Its time to evaluate if your videos/link really have answers but let's be practical. Nobody has time in the world to go through dozens of links and lengthy videos. Here is my suggestion. How about one to one debate? I am challenging you here. I will make arguments and since you have gone through all links and videos which you quote, you should have ready made answers to the specific questions that I ask. You can just answer them. Are you up for one on one debate?
Look around yourself and you'll find people with virtues are never required to demand respect since they automatically earn it. It is only those that are devoid of any virtues need to threaten and bully to gain respect. Needless to say that quran cannot be from God.

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No need to believe to conjectures, nor blind belief about the authenticity of Quran (or any manuscript) which was created in the following manner. Just use common sense and serious examination of standards of the time to answer this question.

Let's remember that in 630 ACE in the desert Arabia there were no papers, nor other durable media of recordings - such as papyrus as done by ancient Egyptian. As we read from Muslim own source, the Quran was either "memorized" by illiterate people or was recorded on animal skin or written on organic material.

Moreover, we read that it was only 80 years or 4-generation from the time Muhammad dictated his revelations and the final draft of the Quran was published.

Step one: Allah conveys his words to Angel Gabriel
Step two: Gabriel dictates to "unlettered" Muhammad (Read illiterate)
Step Three: Muhammad dictates to his Scribes, while others memorize it.
Step four: the First generation passes whatever they remember to 2nd generation.
Step five: 2nd Generation pass the revelations to 3rd generation
Step six: 3rd gen to 4th
Step Seven: Quran was written in one book.

According to our friend Mughal, as well as other devout Muslims, they want us to believe that a 77,600-words manuscript - all in its entirety was kept exactly the same as original source some 80 years earlier and went through 7 people.

IMPOSSIBLE

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Hombre wrote:According to our friend Mughal, as well as other devout Muslims, they want us to believe that a 77,600-words manuscript - all in its entirety was kept exactly the same as original source some 80 years earlier and went through 7 people.

IMPOSSIBLE
Even now, you couldn't rely on the recitation surviving on a CD for 80 years.
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"can be traced back to the time and place" I knew you bastards keep DeLorean in your secret garage. otherwise how to explain Q5:32 a quote from a rogue Jewish literature, written at the end pre Christian era, taught to Israelites during 'Moses' time. :heh:
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