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This pope mister is more dangerous then many people want to believe. This pope has more communist roots, them Christian roots. You can hear it in all he tells us. The Catholic church should send him back to Argentina .
The renegade pope said that Christians spreading the gospel is the same as Muslims waging jihad.
Not only did Pope Francis liken Jesus Christ to the Islamic State (ISIS), he says that “Europeans must breed with Muslims.”

I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam,” he told La Croix. “It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam.” “However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”

His opinions are stunningly similar to those of top Iman Sheikh Muhammad Ayed (below), who said Muslims should exploit the migrant crisis to breed with Europeans and “conquer their countries.”

Pope Francis, who has taken in 3 Syrian Muslim refugee families into the Vatican but no Syrian Christian refugees, seems to think that the armies of Muslim migrants pouring into Western European countries are nothing to be concerned about. He is absolutely wrong, it is an economic and sociological disaster.

The Pope also said he “dreaded” hearing about the “Christian roots of Europe” because, to him, they take on “colonialist overtones” and he called on European nations to “integrate” Muslim migrants into the continent.

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I am sure there are lots of feet he can kiss in Argentina.

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Yes even within the the Vatican there are comments like "this pope does not understand anything about Europe" and "he is somewhat naive about Islam, as there is virtually no Muslims in Argentina". His ideas about integration seem to confirm that.

He is also against securing borders in the way Hungary has done. Having said that, you go and try and simply wander into the Vatican. Sure you can pay to go to the museum, but you will not get a long way if you walk through that gate on the side of St Peters, unless you are known by the Swiss guards or at least a bishop.

I think a great many Christians, including Catholics would be offended if explaining Christianity by preaching is likened to spreading Islam in the way ISIS does, with the sword. Sounds like a serious case of "foot in mouth" disease, if you ask me.

What surprises me is the "breed with Muslims" comment. It is uncannily vulgar for a pope or indeed anyone, and while the Catholic church tolerates inter-faith marriages with protestants (but does not encourage them), marriages between Catholics and Muslims cannot be sanctioned because of the Muslim legal claims about the marriage. These are in conflict with the Catholic claims. For example, each insists that the children must be brought up in their respective tradition. A Muslim would normally insist on a conversion if there is to be a marriage at all, so in effect Muslims does not "interbreed", they force a choice by saying there cannot be a marriage without accepting Islam.

Well if the Catholic Church can survive the Borgia popes, Paul ii and his page boys, Leo X and his elephant, Julius ii and his wars and many others, this one will be survived too.

I doubt he will be one of the fondly remembered ones though.
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manfred wrote:Well if the Catholic Church can survive the Borgia popes, Paul ii and his page boys, Leo X and his elephant, Julius ii and his wars and many others, this one will be survived too.

I doubt he will be one of the fondly remembered ones though.
Aren't we, according to Nostradamus, in the final countdown to the end of the papacy?
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Fernando wrote:
manfred wrote:Well if the Catholic Church can survive the Borgia popes, Paul ii and his page boys, Leo X and his elephant, Julius ii and his wars and many others, this one will be survived too.

I doubt he will be one of the fondly remembered ones though.
Aren't we, according to Nostradamus, in the final countdown to the end of the papacy?
:lol: The end is nigh stuff has been around for literally thousands of years. The pope belongs to the Jesuit order, and the founder of that order, Ignatius of Loyola, make the following rather apt comment:

While playing cards he was asked what he would do if the world were to end tomorrow. His reply was he would carry on the game of cards. It is a waste of time to worry about things we have no influence on.

Now, as far as the papacy goes, the pope has a right and a duty to guide on issues of CHRISTIAN faith and ethics. He neither has authority nor should make pronouncements on other religions at all. He can speak about how Christians should treat people from other religions, i.e. like any human being with respect. What is silly is talking about Islamic teaching as if knew anything much about it. In fact, it is surprising that he finds it appropriate to comment on such things in his position. It makes him look rather naive because he expresses opinions he should better keep to himself, as even a mere papal opinion can be dividing the church. His job is to bring Christians together and not to divide them.

He is right is saying that obviously not all Muslims are violent or terror supporters, but those who are not, are so despite and not because of the teachings of Islam. He seems to repeat the "extremist" fallacy without much criticism. He is getting a visit from a Muslim cleric next week, may his brain will click....
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Paul Joseph Watson is angry...Pope Francis: Shut the F**k Up

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Perhaps it is useful in this context to say a few words about popes in general...

The Catholic Church points to a passage in the gospels where Jesus says to Peter ""You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18)

Peter (petros) is Greek for "the rock guy", so Jesus equates Simon Peter with this "rock". It seems quite clear that Jesus implies two things, first he intended to create an assembly of some kind, (eklesia translated as church is simply a voluntary group of people, in the original meaning), and second, that Simon Peter is meant to have a leadership role in this group.

It is important to understand that Jesus did not specify what exactly this role was meant to be, nor indeed what the organisation of this group should be like.

Later, Peter went to Rome, preached there, made quite a few converts, and was in the end arrested for being some kind of subversive element and executed.

Because of this period in Rome, later generations styled him the first "bishop of Rome". In fact, the NT mentions "bishops" but they are not really what we understand bishops to be today. They worked in a single church, not a diocese, and they were part of a group of "elders" specially responsible for teaching. So this title for Peter as "bishop of Rome" is a little misleading, as it attaches an office to a person when this office was not yet properly developed.

In addition, when Jesus singled out Peter for a leadership role, he did not mention that any "successors" should also have the same role. This is the major point of contention between Catholics and Orthodox Christians, as well as with Protestants.

In reality, the "bishop of Rome" became most influential simply because he happened to be neighbours with the Roman emperor. The leadership claims of the pope over other bishops developed much later, and out of real politics, and only then the Catholic argument was produced. The Eastern Churches never accepted that, and when one particularly unwise pope tried to force that issue, the great schism ensued, resulting in the Eastern and Western churches being split.

A single head as leader has some significant advantages, such as an easy and fast way to settle disputes and appointments, but there are also problems. Not every incumbent in that role was up to the job, to put it mildly. Some caused huge damage, while others were strengthen the church for many years to come. Some were saints, some where shrewd politicians or good administrators, others downright crooks, engulfed by corruption.

One thing is perhaps less obvious: if the great schism had never happened and the Patriarch of Constantinople had submitted to the pope, Mehmet the conqueror would have had a much more difficult job destroying Byzantium. The pope would have mobilised most of Europe against him.

So where am I going with this... simple ... today, in fact, the pope is one of the big voices in Christendom. That does not mean he is right on everything. In fact he himself only claims to be "infallible" on a narrowly defined set of questions, relating only to dogma, and only if he formally makes an "ex cathedra" statement, something that only happened a couple of times in the last 2000 years.

He is a human being like everybody else, and sure, he can be wrong on things. His appeasement of Islam is definitely ill-advised.
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A very good question. Why is that Pontifex? :clueless:

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LOL... telling Muslims to love the "worst of creatures"..? Against Allah's and Mohammed's explicit instructions??.... BLASPHEMY!!! He probably would be beheaded...

Muslims are not known to listen to any Christian people, to them they are, at best, a means to an end...

But I agree, popes from the past would mostly shake their heads and him and wonder what has happened to the church they once ran.
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Yes, even non-Catholics and non-Christians in North America are astounded at this guy. He can't die quick enough.
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Tja... :thinking: Pope unveils statue celebrating Migrant and Refugees in Vatican, says Christians have a moral obligation to care for them...

Were are all the young men of fighting age in this statue :clueless:
Pope unveils sculpture commemorating migrants and refugees

Following the celebration of Mass and the recitation of the Angelus, Pope Francis unveils a sculpture entitled “Angels Unawares” by Canadian artist, Timothy Schmaltz, in St Peter’s Square.

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“Angels Unawares” is a life-size sculpture in bronze and clay, that depicts a group of migrants and refugees from different cultural and racial backgrounds and from diverse historic periods in time.

The sculpture
The figures stand together, shoulder to shoulder, huddled on a raft. Within this diverse crowd of people, angel wings emerge from the centre, suggesting the presence of something sacred among them. In fact, the sculptural work interprets the belief that the sacred is to be found in the stranger, in this case, in refugees and migrants.

The inspiration
The inspiration behind the work is taken from a biblical passage taken from the Letter to the Hebrews: “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares”. (Hebrews 13:2)

The presence of the sculpture in St Peter’s Square is meant to commemorate the 105th World Day of Migrants and Refugees.

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Canadian artist, Timothy Schmaltz, has spent 25 years sculpting large-scale works in bronze. They are installed all over the world, including Rome and the Vatican.

The artist describes his creations as visual translations of the Bible. He says he tries to create epic artwork that connects with viewers through design and details that are not only touching on an emotional level, but also allow people to somehow feel “part” of the piece.
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Should have added an iPhone to each of those "refugees"? :clueless:

Very clever having a statue instead of inviting real-live migrants to the Vatican.
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Pope Francis on brink: Threat from Salvini against Vatican leader exposed

POPE FRANCIS is facing a potential religious coup from within the Catholic Church, but there is also an emerging threat from outside the Vatican as Italian populist Matteo Salvini sets his sights on the progressive Pope.

The current tenure of Pope Francis has been one of the most polarising moments in the history of the Catholic Church, as his progressive and status-quo denying values provoke disdain from Vatican norms. One of the unorthodox features of the current Pope's tenure is his appointing of cardinals from less notorious churches spanning further across the globe. Just this week, cardinals from less established countries in the Catholic Church such as Morocco, the Democratic Republic of Congo and Lithuania were appointed.

Francis has now appointed more than half of the 128 cardinal electors, increasing the possibility that his successor will continue his progressive policies.

His critics have grown impatient with this policy with Benedict demanding he remains domiciled in an apartment on Vatican grounds amid his own doubts of Francis' methods.

He is attracting opposition from right-wing politicians in Italy too, including Matteo Salvini who recently withdrew his support in the coalition government leaving Rome in political chaos.

Francis has made caring for migrants a hallmark of his papacy, traveling to the Sicilian island of Lampedusa in 2013 in his first trip as Pope to comfort would-be refugees who survived shipwrecks and smugglers to reach Europe.

He brought 12 Syrians home with him when he visited a refugee camp in Lesbos, Greece, three years later, and he has turned over Vatican apartments to house new arrivals to Italy.

In stark contrast, Salvini used his powers as Interior Minister to ban boats carrying refugees from docking on Italian ports.

The right-wing politician has also enlisted the help of far-right former White House strategist Steve Bannon, whose Brussels-based international group, 'The Movement', was denied access to the Vatican for political training.

During a meeting in Washington in April 2016, Bannon – who would within a few months take up his role as head of Trump’s presidential campaign – suggested the leader of the Lega party should start openly targeting Pope Francis.

A senior Lega insider with knowledge of the meeting said "Bannon advised Salvini himself that the actual Pope is a sort of enemy. He suggested for sure to attack, frontally."

After the meeting, Salvini became more outspoken against the Pope, claiming that conservatives in the Vatican were on his side.

One tweet from Salvini’s account, in May 2016, said: “The pope says migrants are not a danger. Whatever!" and he was also pictured in 2016 holding a shirt saying “Benedict is my pope.”

With Francis continuing to take on the right in Italy and the Catholic Church, the political grappling is expected to continue.
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Pope Francis proposes Adding ‘Ecological Sin’ to Church Teachings
Pope Proposes New Sin: Thou Shalt Not Destroy The Harmony Of The Environment

Pope Francis is fed up with deniers, so much so he is on the verge of declaring a new sin.

Pope Francis, who has made the environment a signature cause of his pontificate, said he was strongly considering adding the category of “ecological sin” to the Catholic Church’s official compendium of teachings.

Pope Francis has stressed the importance of environmental protection since his election in 2013. He dedicated an entire encyclical, “Laudato Si,’” published in 2015, to the topic.

In that document, he called global warming a major threat to life on the planet and called for a reduction in the use of fossil fuels. He also blamed the global market economy for plundering the earth at the expense of the poor and future generations.

In 2016, the pope added environmentalism, or “care for our common home,” to the Catholic Church’s traditional seven works of mercy. He also added it to the Beatitudes, the core set of Christian ideals such as meekness and mercy enunciated by Jesus in the Bible, saying: “Blessed are those who protect and care for our common home.”

On Friday, he said he was considering going further. “We must introduce—we are thinking—into the Catechism of the Catholic Church the sin against ecology, the ecological sin against the common home, because it’s a duty,” the pope told an audience of legal experts at the Vatican.

He noted that bishops from the Amazon region meeting at the Vatican in October had defined ecological sin as an “action or omission against God, against others, the community and the environment. It is a sin against future generations and is manifested in the acts and habits of pollution and destruction of the harmony of the environment.”

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POPE BOWS DOWN TO THE ORDER OF THE ILLUMINATI – KISS FEETS AND HANDS.

The fool....The people didn't kiss his hand or bow to him.

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Orkney hermits are excommunicated for calling Pope a ‘heretic’
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Three hermits have been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic church after they called the Pope a “heretic” in an online declaration.

The group, who live on the island of Westray in Orkney, also claimed that evil was “destroying” the church and that its members appeared to be “paralysed with fear”.

According to the BBC, the trio is made up of two men calling themselves a priest and a monk and a lay woman who was a senior doctor.

They were reportedly warned by the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles that their post, published online in April last year, would see them thrown out.

One of the group’s members, Stephen De Kerdrel, told BBC Radio Orkney that desperate measures were necessary.

He said this was because the three members believed the church was facing desperate times.

“Most Christian churches, with the exception of the Orthodox churches, are now so overrun by liberalism and secularism and humanism that they’ve ceased really being churches,” Mr De Kerdrel said.

“But I actually think we’re seeing a great battle between Western society and Christianity. And the one they really want to take a pot shot at is the Catholic church.

“So, it almost seems that we’re joining the enemy, but we’re actually trying to save it from itself.”

In the declaration, the group describe the Pope as “the captain of the sinking ship”.

They claimed they were speaking out to save not just their own souls, but also those of others.

Their excommunication comes after the trio were reportedly thrown out of a church house in Northamptonshire for bringing the diocese into disrepute.

At the beginning of last year one of the group is also reported to have been convicted of sending homophobic abuse to an Episcopal clergyman.

“In April, the group wrote to Bishop McGee to say they intended to withdraw their ‘obedience from Pope Francis and sever communion with the Holy See’,” a spokesman for the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles told the BBC.

“The bishop advised them that their actions would incur automatic excommunication and urged them to reconsider and made several offers of dialogue, all of which were refused.

“As a result, the penalty of excommunication now applies.”

Excommunication is the most severe penalty the church is able to issue, though it can be reversed.
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Orkney hermits are excommunicated for calling Pope a ‘heretic’
Father Stephen De Kerdrel is one of the group of three Westray hermits
What a wise hermits. I am not a catholic , so they can't excommunicate me.

A shame..

I call the pope an idiot, a luciferian a satanic worshipper, a creep, and many many more things .

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Look at him. :shock:
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The Vatican Deception of the Serpent
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Pope participates in a circus act during general audience. The Church of Rome praising satan. They don't even hide it anymore.

Bizar... :???:
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Pope Francis cancels third day of events amid mysterious illness

Pope Francis has canceled a third day of scheduled events to recuperate from an undisclosed illness.

The 83-year-old pontiff will skip two official audiences at the Apostolic Palace. One would have been with a team of bioethicists and another with the Catholic “Legion of Christ.”

Francis is working from the Vatican’s Santa Marta hotel during his recovery, papal officials said, who noted he continues to attend Mass each morning.

The Vatican has not provided any details about his illness, calling it only a “slight indisposition.”

The pope has not been seen in public since he was caught on camera coughing and blowing his nose during an Ash Wednesday Mass.

His absence — the longest sick leave of his papacy — comes as coronavirus sweeps Italy. The country has reported 888 cases and at least 21 deaths, according to the latest numbers; Italy is now the most infected nation after China.

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have warned Americans to brace for the disease spreading in the United States and possibly becoming a pandemic.
True or false... :clueless:
Vatican confirms Pope Francis and two aides test positive for Coronavirus

Breaking: VVatican confirms Pope Francis and two aides test positive for Coronavirus Breaking: Vatican confirms Pope Francis and two aides test positive for Coronavirus

The Vatican has confirmed in a statement that Pope Francis and two of his aides have tested positive for the novel Coronavirus.

The three new cases add up to the over 400 cases confirmed in Italy under a week.
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If Spain has not enough problems with illegal migrants. :clueless:

Boatloads of illegal Migrants storm the spanish tourist beaches and scatter. Moroccan-dominated gangs running arms, drugs, and unlicensed tobacco products between North Africa and Spain have long been an issue for the Southern European country’s authorities, who recently told the El Pais newspaper: “We are in a state of war… And we are losing.”
Vatican Calls for ‘Mass Regularisation’ of Illegal Migrants in Spain

ROME — The Vatican wants Spain to undertake a “mass regularisation” of its illegal immigrants, according to the Holy See’s undersecretary for migrants and refugees.

“In Spain, mass regularisation can be a solution that benefits everyone,” said Father Fabio Baggio during an online forum last week with representatives from Spanish Catholic dioceses in charge of immigrants.

Representatives of the far-left Spanish political alliance Unidas Podemos (“United We Can”), comprising Podemos, United Left, and other left-wing parties, immediately embraced the Vatican solution, noting that it coincides exactly what the Spanish Left has been calling for.

Podemos, whose general secretary Pablo Iglesias was listed by George Soros’ Open Societies NGO as a “reliable ally,” has already launched its own proposal for universal amnesty and citizenship “for all those migrants who have lived through the epidemic with us.”

The party calls for “regulatory provisions that allow ending the irregularity of all people, whatever their administrative situation, who were on Spanish soil the day the state of alert was declared,” the only solution that is “correct and decent from the point of view of social justice and human rights.”

This universal regularisation of all immigrants is both “an imperative of justice” and “the right decision from the health and economic point of view,” the group insists.

After the announcement of the Vatican’s support for mass regularization, the spokesman for Unidas Podemos, Pablo Echenique, tweeted a message to the leaders of the centre-right Partido Popular (Pablo Casado Blanco) and the nationalist Vox party (Santiago Abascal), urging them as Catholics to follow the Vatican’s lead and welcome the call for universal amnesty and citizenship.

In his address last week, the Vatican’s Father Baggio said that there would be “massive migratory flows stemming from people’s desire to find a solution to their economic problems” following the coronavirus pandemic, and urged nations to welcome them and rejected a “new protectionism” against unchecked immigration in Europe.

“We think that many countries will have restricted entry, as they have done at this time, without promoting regular channels of immigration… to give priority to their nationals,” the priest warned. “This rise of ‘new protectionism’ could cause an increase in irregular channels of immigration.”

“There are many migrant workers — thousands — who have had to return to their homeland, lost their jobs, stopped sending remittances to their families, and that is why we have families in crisis and entire nations that are facing crises of returning migrants,” he said. “The pandemic has affected all people, yes, but the most vulnerable in a more particular way.”
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