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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Ariel » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:44 am

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What will be the next police campaign ? Now it's high heels! Policemen don women's shoes to highlight cause of domestic violence - just a day after officers painted their nails in the fight against slavery. Are there no more criminals to be caught ?

Crime rises by 13% in England and Wales, ONS statistics say

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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Ariel » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:50 am

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As part of #NHCAW we have launched our British Muslims video aimed at tackling misconceptions. Watch it here




Many people in England are not amused.

Police heavily criticised on social media after posting video on better understanding of British Muslims

A social media backlash has been launched at Lincolnshire Police after they posted a video on better understanding British Muslims.

The 12-minute long film touches on the history of Islam, its values, its followers’ journey to British shores and reminded people of hate crime laws.

But a barrage of negative online comments have been posted in response, with some accusing the police of producing a “propaganda” video and telling people what to think….

“Are we now not allowed to think our own thoughts!?” asked one. “We don’t require any indoctrination. Police should deal with law not religion.”

“How do Lincolnshire Police view the ordinary, decent, Christian people of this country?” wrote another.

“The answer, most unfortunately, is all too plain. Continue to alienate the rest of us, and you’ll be facing some pretty huge problems further down the line, won’t you?

“NOBODY should be getting special treatment and if you’re going to promote videos like this, then you need to do it for every faith and nationality in Britain. Looking forward very much to your video wishing us all a wonderful Christmas.”

Others wanted police to address response times and questioned the making of the video.

But social media users also sprung up in defence of it too.

“No-one, anywhere is telling you to convert or respect or even like a certain religion!” said one.

“They are reminding you that committing abuse or assault on an other human being BASED on differing races or beliefs is a crime. That’s it!”

Another wrote: “They’re not claiming it’s a priority, they’re simply using this week to raise awareness of hate crime which unfortunately is a growing issue at the moment whether it be against a person because of their religion or sexuality etc.”

The police also robustly defended the move.

Deputy Chief Constable Craig Naylor, speaking to the BBC, said: “I’m really disappointed by some of these responses.

“I’m very committed to reducing hate crime. During National Hate Crime Awareness Week one of the things we’re trying to do is show a different side to Islam and to understand that Muslims here are British and are entitled to the same respect and legislation and protection of the law that anyone else is.”

Mr Naylor added that the force will look into any online abuse aimed at the police and said that neither he nor the force regretted the video being made public.
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Fernando » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:35 pm

Why the Lincolnshire police and why Muslims? I can't find figures for religion, but the proportion of the population (2011 census) born in the Middle East or Asia is about 1/4 of the national average. In view of the "hatred" allegedly leveled at EU citizens, wouldn't the police be better looking after the much larger number of them living and working in the area?
Or don't they count, being at the wrong end of Allah's shade card?
Or is it just that the "hatred" doesn't exist but Islamophilia does?
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Ariel » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:58 pm

Fernando wrote:Or don't they count, being at the wrong end of Allah's shade card?
Or is it just that the "hatred" doesn't exist but Islamophilia does?


I don't think it is the job of the police to promote better understanding of British Muslims. I never heard of British people killing Muslims at random. So far as I know are Muslims not at danger in England. It seems to me it is the other way around. British people are not save any more in their own country.

Lets not forget the sexually abused children as young as 12 who were groomed and raped in Rochdale by a Muslim gang. And the dimwitted Lincolnshire police did nothing.
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby pr126 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:23 am

Brainstorming session at the Police station. :lighten:

“I need ideas how to make ourselves a laughing stock in the eyes of our Muslim Brothers.”

“And more propaganda too. Some people are still not convinced.”
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby frankie » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:48 pm

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What will be the next police campaign ? Now it's high heels! Policemen don women's shoes to highlight cause of domestic violence - just a day after officers painted their nails in the fight against slavery. Are there no more criminals to be caught ?


If these men are serious in wanting to tackle domestic abuse, then they need to understand the Islamic faith, which actively promotes it.

Painting nails and wearing hire heels won’t cut it, when confronted with a Muslim husband who tells his accuser, his god permits him to beat his wife into submission.

Islam promotes and condones domestic abuse, because the god of Islam commands it, and its prophet practiced it, the actions of the U.K.police would be laughable if not so tragically mis informed.

Quran 4.34
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

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Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain." http://www.justislam.co.uk/sample-chm2w ... .2127.html
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby manfred » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:26 pm

I have not yet come across a policeman in high heels... I doubt I could keep a straight face...

I have however, just today, come across a limit of free speech in the comment section in the Guardian newspaper....

It reported, twice even, how "outraged" universities are for being asked what they teach students about brexit...

So I posted this in the comment section.... (the first comment was deletes within 10 seconds, so this is the second one)

Schools have been told what and how to teach for decades, and nobody cares that millions of children get brainwashed about certain things and that teachers are forced to tell lies in class.

Example: All religions are equivalent, government edict. So, don't mention certain facts about the "religion of peace" that teaches that converting from it means you must be killed, that women are property, that gays should be killed, that Jews are dogs and pigs, that people who follow a different religion are "the worst of animals" and so on...

Even the moderators of this paper are so brain-washed that merely mention simple facts like that, provable facts, from the source texts and the teachings, means the comment gets deleted.

So, to me, complaining about the government doing this in a much smaller scale to universities, but remaining silent about what is done to every child in the country, when they are young and impressionable, is the hight of hypocrisy.

So go ahead, delete this too, I will post it again. Because I believe in free speech even if you don't.


That got deleted too, and three more copies after that. And now I am banned from posting comments... :lotpot:

Also they tell me that my comment will be reported to "tell mama" as a "hate crime", and they "consider" involving the police.... This I have to see... :lol:
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Ariel » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:27 pm

manfred wrote:
Also they tell me that my comment will be reported to "tell mama" as a "hate crime", and they "consider" involving the police.... This I have to see... :lol:


Oh, dear Manfred.. :ehh: I hope you do not have to go to prison. . If you are arrested, we will rescue you by sending you a Prison Break cake, and we al will be yelling at the prison gate...FREE MANFRED...FREE MANFRED.

Just in case...Keep your eyes open for this cake

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But all joking aside... What an idiots. :ohmy: You said nothing wrong
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby frankie » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:43 pm

manfred wrote:I have not yet come across a policeman in high heels... I doubt I could keep a straight face...

I have however, just today, come across a limit of free speech in the comment section in the Guardian newspaper....

It reported, twice even, how "outraged" universities are for being asked what they teach students about brexit...

So I posted this in the comment section.... (the first comment was deletes within 10 seconds, so this is the second one)

Schools have been told what and how to teach for decades, and nobody cares that millions of children get brainwashed about certain things and that teachers are forced to tell lies in class.

Example: All religions are equivalent, government edict. So, don't mention certain facts about the "religion of peace" that teaches that converting from it means you must be killed, that women are property, that gays should be killed, that Jews are dogs and pigs, that people who follow a different religion are "the worst of animals" and so on...

Even the moderators of this paper are so brain-washed that merely mention simple facts like that, provable facts, from the source texts and the teachings, means the comment gets deleted.

So, to me, complaining about the government doing this in a much smaller scale to universities, but remaining silent about what is done to every child in the country, when they are young and impressionable, is the hight of hypocrisy.

So go ahead, delete this too, I will post it again. Because I believe in free speech even if you don't.


That got deleted too, and three more copies after that. And now I am banned from posting comments... :lotpot:

Also they tell me that my comment will be reported to "tell mama" as a "hate crime", and they "consider" involving the police.... This I have to see... :lol:


Manfred:

Same thing happened to me some time ago Manfred, but fortunately not before I was able to post many truths about the Islamic faith,including many ahadiths as evidence.

I was eventually banned by making it impossible to log in onto the Guardians comment section, as well as my computer crashing every time I pulled up the Guardian's web site.

The Guardian is written by, and read by those who only want their side of the story to be heard, generally people with an intellectual pride which prevents the whole truth to be exposed,and not just the peripheral as presented by the Guardian's editorial.
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Fernando » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Hardly surprising Manfred. Didn't the Guardian drop its "Comment is Free" section when it got a few comments it didn't like?
Ariel: maybe we could make Manfred a durian cake: then he might not need s file!
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Fernando » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:04 pm

Fernando wrote:Hardly surprising Manfred. Didn't the Guardian drop its "Comment is Free" section when it got a few comments it didn't like?
Ariel: maybe we could make Manfred a durian cake: then he might not need s file!
Talking of the Guarian, I've just listened to a stupid left-wing woman saying how wonderful the projected increase in the UK's population is and that the UK is UNDER-populated.
This idiot, Sonia Sodha, is CHIEF LEADER WRITER for the Sunday Guardian (aka The Observer)
Mind you, ITV is little better - either politically or logically. All day it's been blaming the population increase on the elderly, then complaining about the strains on education, healh service etc and ending with shots of vast numbers of babies! Lots of remarkably fertile old people are to blame, evidently.
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Ariel » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:20 pm

Extremists and returning jihadists 'offered council house bribes to reintegrate'

Proposals to offer extremists including returning jihadists taxpayer-funded housing and help into work are a “fundamental error” amounting to bribes to potential terrorists, it has been claimed.

The Home Office is looking at a new strategy to reintegrate extremists that could even see them propelled to the top of council house waiting lists if needed.

Under pilot schemes being looked at, police and local authorities would assess extremists formerly investigated as suspects by the security services to see what danger they pose and what it would take to help reintegrate them into society.

Extremists who had nowhere suitable to live could be put in social housing by the local council and could have their rent paid if necessary, according to reports.

They could also be given priority on waiting lists and helped into education and training or found a job with public bodies or charities.

Up to 20,000 extremists who have been previously investigated by MI5 will be targeted in the scheme called Operation Constrain, the Mail on Sunday reported.

Whitehall sources confirmed the scheme could also apply to Britons returning from Islamic State group territory in Syria.

A source said: “We are planning a number of pilots to explore the best way to diverting such people from terrorism and extremist activity.”

Col Richard Kemp, a former Government counter terrorism adviser, last night questioned whether would-be terrorists were driven by deprivation. Opening the policy to people who had gone to fight in Syria would be “obscene”, he said.

He said: “I think it’s a very much mistaken policy. When you look at the profile of many of the people who have been involved in terrorist attacks in the UK, or travelled overseas, they do not come from deprived backgrounds.

He went on: “If someone is inclined to be an extremist, you are not going to bribe them into not being a terrorist. It’s not going to change them.”

Andrew Bridgen, Conservative MP for north west Leicestershire, added: “This sounds like a reward for being on a list of potential terrorists. You can't buy people's loyalty to this country.”

The debate over what to do with Britons returning from Syria has intensified as the caliphate of Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) collapses.

Around 850 Britons are thought to have travelled to Syria in recent years and around 350 are thought to have returned. So far only a small proportion have been prosecuted and counter terrorism officials have said it can be difficult to find evidence that they committed crimes in the war zones of Syria and Iraq.

Max Hill QC, the government’s terrorism law watchdog, earlier this month suggested those who had travelled out of naivety might need to be reintegrated rather than prosecuted.

MI5 earlier this year confirmed that some 20,000 people had been “persons of interest” in counter terrorism investigations in the past.

The Home Office said: “We are reviewing our counter-terrorism strategy to make sure we respond to the evolving threat in the most effective way we can.”
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Postby Ariel » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:28 pm

And the Lincolnshire Police are giving a workshop on Muslims in Britain to students at William Farr school. :clueless:
First it was a Muslim video, Now its a Muslim Workshop in schools. :nono: Did they include the dangers Islam poses to non-Muslims, women, gays, Jews, children?

I bet not.

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Postby Fernando » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:21 pm

Ariel wrote:And the Lincolnshire Police are giving a workshop on Muslims in Britain to students at William Farr school. :clueless:
First it was a Muslim video, Now its a Muslim Workshop in schools. :nono: Did they include the dangers Islam poses to non-Muslims, women, gays, Jews, children?

I bet not.
This is getting so ridiculous that I'm beginning to wonder if it's a sort of false-flag thing: by drawing attention to the few Muslims in Lincolnshire, they're distracting it from the new under-class, the poor victimised Eastern European migrant workers who far outnumber the Muslims. They must, of course, be "poor, victimised" by definition, since LIncolnshire came out strongly for Brexit.
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Postby pr126 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:17 am

Preparing the young generation for the future.
The parents are either oblivious to all this or don't care. Fait accompli.

Also, the educators are willfully ignorant of Islam. Or compromised. Or both.
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby Fernando » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:04 pm

BBC and its Pals

Our left-leading National Broadcaster seems to be indulging ever more in it hobby of making news instead of just reporting it. It seems the furore over Priti Patel and Israel was fomented by none other. With a view, according to the Express, of undermining the government.
BBC accused of timing Priti Patel report for 'maximum embarrassment'
THE BBC’s decision to report on Priti Patel’s unofficial meetings with senior Israelis within hours of the 100th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration was done to cause “maximum embarrassment” to the Prime Minister, it has been claimed.
However, it was not just oppotunistic trouble-making: it was the BBC that dug up the "dirt" in the first place:
BBC diplomatic editor James Lansdale had been working on the expose for weeks beforehand.
Of course, it's not just the BBC's corner of the Establishment that's at it: there are claims that Arabists in the Foreign Office might have had a had in it too:
Supporters of Ms Patel have accused pro-Palestinian colleagues, such as Foreign Office minister Sir Alan Duncan, of fanning the flames.

They said Sir Alan had the “means and motivation” to brief details of the meetings to the press.

The claims have been vigorously denied by his friends.
It wouldn't, of course, be a surprise if it's an unholy alliance between Leftists, Arabists and Remainers: they do, after all, between them constitute the bulk of the UK's Establishment.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/878442/BBC-Priti-Patel-report-timed-theresa-may-maximum-embarrasment
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Postby Ariel » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:16 pm

“There are facilities for cleaning yourself in the toilet - I hope there are enough stones available for the girls to use, to clean themselves . :ermm:

Muslim school receives 'inadequate' Ofsted rating after loos did not have toilet paper for 'cultural reasons'

A Muslim girls' school has received the lowest Ofsted rating available after inspectors discovered that pupils were not provided with lavatory paper for "cultural reasons".

Staff at the fee-paying Park Avenue Girls' High School, in Stoke-on-Trent, said paper was available from the school office, but because most of the students were Asian, they preferred to wash rather than wipe.

But some of the girls told inspectors they were so unhappy about the situation that they avoided using the lavatory all day.

The school, which was visited by inspectors October, was rated "inadequate", with the report identifying a range of concerns, including safeguarding problems and the discovery of sectarian material on the premises.

The Ofsted report stated: "At the time of the inspection, it was not the school's common practice to provide soap for pupils' hand-washing, toilet roll in the toilets or suitable drinking water.

"Toilet paper is available from the school office when pupils request it. Pupils told inspectors that they sometimes avoided using toilets for the whole school day because of this."

But headteacher Abdul Ghafoor Salloo defended the policy, insisting the school catered for the cultural needs of the pupils.

“The children they do use the toilets and traditionally, because we are Asian, we wash, not only wipe. There are facilities for pupils to clean themselves," he said.

“Some pupils, they avoid using toilets because they don't like going in there.

“There are facilities for cleaning yourself in the toilet - it might be hard for someone who doesn't traditionally wash to understand and washing is better than wiping clean.

“The Ofsted inspector said there has to be toilet rolls, we said there are always toilet rolls but they are not always out - so what?”

Inspectors also criticised the fact there were no shower facilities available at the school, which has 34 pupils aged between 11 and 16.

In addition the report stated: “Safeguarding is ineffective. Leaders have not ensured that the school premises are a safe place for pupils, and some checks on staff's suitability to work with children are incomplete

"Leaders' checks on attendance and safeguarding issues are not robust. Their checks lack detail and do not contribute strongly to keeping pupils safe. Therefore, pupils' welfare is not assured."

The report went on: "Inspectors found published sectarian material in a storeroom behind the school office. They made the headteacher aware of this.

"The headteacher explained that he was not aware of how the materials came to be in school.

"At the end of the inspection the headteacher confirmed that he planned to destroy the material and suitably vet all remaining published material in the school.

"Inspectors did not find any evidence that this sectarian material had influenced teaching or learning in school.

"However, material of this kind has no place in schools and leaders have not ensured that systems are in place to prevent such literature from entering the school and being accessible in a storeroom."

The inspectors said the playground was also not appropriate because it presented too many dangers to pupils.

"Currently, pupils are not safe in this school. Leaders have not identified the range of risks present on the school site.

"For example, inspectors found windows, both single- and double-glazed, that were broken, sharp and accessible to pupils."

But despite the various problems inspectors noted that the relationships between staff and pupils were strong and this had a positive impact on pupils' behaviour.

They added: "Pupils' behaviour is good. They follow instructions willingly and are well behaved at all times while on the school premises."
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Re: Islam in England.

Postby pr126 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:39 pm

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Postby Fernando » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:47 pm

Illegal immigrants made legal - sort of....
Home Office worker 'was lynchpin of plot to let illegal migrants stay': Employee is accused of falsifying records that could have seen hundreds benefit

Shamsu Iqbal, 61, allegedly used his position in the Home Office to falsify papers
Investigators identified potential 437 cases of faking documents over five years
Home Office worker helped by Usman, 45, Hussain, 49, and Ali, 47, a court heard
Group changed records to give new identities to people who were in UK illegally

A gang including a Home Office worker masterminded a conspiracy to allow illegal immigrants to stay in the country, a court has heard.

Shamsu Iqbal was allegedly the lynchpin of the group that used his ‘trusted’ Home Office position to falsify documents – with investigators identifying 437 potential cases over five years.

The 61-year-old changed the records of migrants who had permission to stay in the UK, giving their identities to people who were in Britain illegally, jurors heard.
Shamsu Iqbal was allegedly the lynchpin of the group that used his ‘trusted’ Home Office position to falsify documents – with investigators identifying 437 potential cases over five years

Iqbal’s co-accused – lawyers Sheikh Muhammad Usman, 45, Mohammad Khawar Aftab Hussain, 49, and Mohammad Ibrahim Ali, 47 – would then allegedly contact the Home Office to ‘straighten out’ the status of ‘impostors’ who had taken on another identity.
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Postby pr126 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:52 pm

I am shocked and surprised. :whistling:
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