manfred wrote:Hi again,
it seems we are talking about two different things, passed each other. You speak of immigration and issues around that, and I have few issues with you on that at all, if any. However I was mentioning GENUINE refugees, escaping persecutions for things we would not face sanctions for in our own societies, much less the death penalty. Do we not have a duty for the genuinely oppressed?
Sure, immigration is a problem, but does that mean we must abandon our own values to deal with that? Can we not try to deal with the immigration issue without also being callous to the suffering of others?
Why would it be acceptable to also "ban" the VICTIMS of Islam? The crazy part is we first allow people in quite indiscriminately, and then suddenly try to prevent people from coming based on merely their place of birth.
This is the trouble with knee-jerks.... one leads to another. and ever more forcefully. Extreme measures will always invite extreme counter-measures. He will not be president for ever, so the most important person to convince of his actions is his successor.
Sure, let Trump have his "ban". But, as far as I understand, he himself does not see that as the "answer" to all issues around immigration. He said is temporary, to "see what is going on" as he puts it.
Yes, I do know what goes on, all the lies and fake refugees, you can hardly miss it. But imagine an insurance company who says "we will never ever pay any claim, as we have been cheated too many times." Is it still an insurance company?
So, to make it clear, I don't speak of all the fake refugees, they also need to be deal with, and the endless steam must be stopped. I meant the REAL ones, the people who run away from some Islamic hell hole in fear of their lives. These are not coming in their thousands, perhaps in their tens, at most. Surely we still have enough human kindness to find some help for them. Even if immigration is not on offer, there other things that can be done.
When Mohammed went to what was called later Medina, he went to take the place over, which he managed to do, violently. He should have been stopped.
While at Medina, a very few of hos followers realised what he really was, and they ran away, and the people of Mecca took them in again. And this was fair on them.
We as citizens of a nation have no civic duty to aid those of another. The highest duty of a nations government is to defend, preserve and maintain the interests of its own citizens, specifically culture, tradition and heritage. That is not to say we as a nation ought not provide aid to foreigners in need, but we absolutely must not do it at the expense of our own interests. Yet, this is exactly what we have been doing.
Western governments have abandoned their highest duty and replaced it with, in your words, the "duty for the genuinely oppressed". With this new paradigm shift in duty, it is no wonder that the citizenry, along with their culture, tradition and heritage, are actively being replaced. And this is all done in a single-minded, crazed-driven scramble for the egalitarian ideal.
It's easy to moralize on your armchair in the comfort of your home away from communities effected by foreign immigration, criticizing immigration policy and chastising those who demand solutions you find knee-jerk or extreme. The situation is extreme and the consequences are dire, and any policy directed at addressing this crises must take precedence over the egalitarian ideal.
Your opposition to Trumps immigration policy shows that you value this ideal above the survival of western civilization. To be sure, Trumps immigration policy is not perfect, however to pretend that its some kind of extreme measure is absurd. Despite its flaws, Trumps immigration policy is a start. It also signals to the American people that the government finally acknowledges their concerns with immigration and will enact polices for the interests of its citizens, above the globalist elites. This is a drastic departure from the previous administration, in which Americans had been constantly berated as racists, islamophobes and bigots by their own government.
The fact is that at this point there can be no perfect policy or measure to resolve the immigration crises. As Douglas Murray noted, the immigration crises should have been addressed decades ago. And with that, I leave you with another sober analysis from Murray.
"...the civilisation we know as Europe is committing suicide...as a result, by the end of the lifespans of most people currently alive Europe will not be Europe and the peoples of Europe will have lost the only place in the world we had to call home."
