The Islamic view of paradise

[frankie]

The Quran has a view of paradise in which all male Muslims are continually sexually satisfied by "wide eyed virgins" who are perpetually “virginified”by Allah.

David Wood explains that this permanent sexual gratification found in the Quran finds its origins within the mind of a sex addict, Mohammed prophet of Islam, whose desires are satisfied by his god each and every time.

Welcome to the distorted world of Islam, where the Muslim shaheeds hunger for his sexual needs is satiated, on one condition, he must” kill and get killed in Allah’s cause”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YEkwKoK7MU

Sorry Muslima’s you don’t get a mention, there is however a possibility that a selection of young boys may be on offer for you, although I wouldn’t get too excited, as your god does not make it too clear whether this is actually the case,as well as your faith being so mysogynyically based, and so you will just have to" grit your teeth, lay back and think of Allah"and put up with your favourite husband for eternity,(that is, if you ever had one) just as you have done so in life.

[manfred]

Dear Allah,

Did you see the news?

One of your suicide bombers did not go off. Instead she was hanging about in Islamabad railway station looking confused, until she got picked up by the police.
Now, you really need to pay attention to what she said when she got arrested:

She HATES the idea of virgins in heaven.

http://www.theglobaledition.com/female-taliban-suicide-bomber-hates-the-idea-of-virgins-in-heaven/

She was complaining about the lack of rewards in paradise for WOMEN!

Now, listen Allah, your sales pitch for recruiting female suicide bombers is way off. You need Saatchi & Saatchi.

72 spotty teenagers with smelly socks talking about football and "birds" all day long, all demanding a mother figure who cooks, cleans and wipes their noses for them is NOT what women want. In fact it is something they can do very well without. You really could get not it any more wrong, Allah. Offering an electric drill or a set of spanners would be an improvement. Still pathetic, but not quite as bad.

She is telling you what she likes: two experienced hunks, a masseuse, a butler and a chef does the trick. A driver would be good too. Free unlimited use of health spa and beauty parlour would be a bonus. Gucci, Chanel and Louis Vitton. All inclusive holidays in the Caribbean. Diamond jewellery. Shoes. Handbags. More shoes. More handbags. No woman ever has enough shoes or handbags.

So Allah, you really need to get out more. And coming from me, that is saying something. Your paradise is seriously lacking, particularly diamonds, shoes and handbags.

She got it all wrong I hear you say? Offering 72 male virgins was never part of the deal? Ahhhh….

So what is it that a woman suicide bomber can expect? A job? As a houri? Now, come on, Allah, you really are out of touch. So after blowing herself up and killing lots of innocent people, all for you, you want to reward her by giving a position as an unpaid prostitute, for all eternity? You are outclassed by the competition: she could go to Bangkok, work as a go-go girl and get PAID! She can have a day off to do some gardening too!

Really, you seem to be incredibly clueless about women. It really shows that you never talk to any of them. Maybe you are gay? Is that why all your prophets are men?

Yours
manfred

[Fernando]

Really, you seem to be incredibly clueless about women. It really shows that you never talk to any of them. Maybe you are gay? Is that why all your prophets are men?

Yours
manfred

Well, in answer to both you and frankie, those pearl-like boys... I rather fancy they are there for the men. (Especially for those from Afghanistant.)

[frankie]

Really, you seem to be incredibly clueless about women. It really shows that you never talk to any of them. Maybe you are gay? Is that why all your prophets are men?

Yours
manfred

Well, in answer to both you and frankie, those pearl-like boys... I rather fancy they are there for the men. (Especially for those from Afghanistant.)

Fernanado

Well, in answer to both you and frankie, those pearl-like boys... I rather fancy they are there for the men. (Especially for those from Afghanistant.

I would agree with you, this practice is found throughout the world, and is common within all cultures, known as paedophilia or pederasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

However, Muslims will distance themselves from this practice, saying it is totally unislamic and forbidden, whilst this may be taught as true,paedophilia and pederasty still fits very well within the Islamic narrative, not least because its prophet violated a child of six/nine when he consummated his "marriage "with her, and the Quran has verses which indicate that "youths of perpetual freshness" will be at the service of the inhabitants of Islam's carnal paradise.

Quran 76.19. There will go round them youths of perpetual freshness; when you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.

If the service of youths has got full divine backing in death, why not in life?

The violation of female children then is fully justified within the Islamic faith, it is only one minute step away in the human mind, to use and abuse male children for the same abhorrent purposes.

[manfred]

If the service of youths has got full divine backing in death, why not in life?

If wine is enjoyed in the afterlife, why not in this life?

[frankie]

If the service of youths has got full divine backing in death, why not in life?

If wine is enjoyed in the afterlife, why not in this life?

Manfred:

Muslims have said on this forum that the wine in paradise is halal because it cannot intoxicate you,on earth it is haram because it can intoxicate you.

Where in Islamic sources does it confirm whether either of these claims are true?

Can Muslims give us the answers?

[manfred]

It is true that Muslims in generally (at least publicly) say sex with young boys is a bad thing, but in reality if you ever go to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan, or even Turkey or Morocco, it is not long before you discover it is a common thing there, but generally kept quiet about.

Have a walk though the market in Tangier, and in very few minutes you discover it's not only spices, brass work or Muslim clothing that is for sale there. You will be offered hashish, every few minutes, and sex for pay in every conceivable form, all by various hawkers, whispering things to you in every European language you care to think of. (I used to answer back in Indonesian, which baffles them, or repeat loudly what they said, and they run a mile.)

In Lahore I once sat in a cafe, and several men brought in a scruffy, dirty boy, who seemed to have been drugged. He was perhaps 10 or 11, and he could barely stand up. Everybody in the cafe was asked quite openly if they would like to "rent him". The cafe only had male customers, as often in Muslim lands. I should have called the police, but I was scared stiff, so I pretended not to notice, and left quickly.

In Saudi Arabia, this thing is so common place, that Muslims sometimes joke about it, specially in Indonesia, where it is much less common.

The separation of the the sexes there brings some quirky, rotten fruit, it seems.

As to the "non-intoxicating" wine, wouldn't you call that grape juice? The Qur'an specifically says WINE, which is a fermented drink in Arabic, though it could be from dates or other fruit as well as from grapes. So Allah allows a FERMENTED (Alcoholic) drink in paradise, the SAME wine in principle as we have here, but he protects people from the intoxicating effect of that drink in paradise.

So why does Allah not do the same with wine on earth? Why would a drink that Muslims regard as unclean, like blood or urine, on earth become a reward in paradise?

Muslims pretend that the Qur'an speaks of a qualitatively different drink in paradise. Then it would reasonable to ask why it did not say that, and why instead it insists on using the word "wine".

What the Qur'an does say clearly, that the wine in paradise is even better that earthly wine, but that Allah has magically removed its intoxicating effect, without changing the wine into some other drink. In other words, according to the Qur'an Allah did not alter the wine, he altered the people.

This become clear from this idea, found many times in the hadith, for example:

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who drank (wine) in this world would be deprived of IT in the Hereafter. (Sahih Muslim, Book 023, Number 4967

or

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah said "Whoever drinks wine in this world and does not turn from it in tawba, IT is haram for him in the Next World." (Malik’s Muwatta, Book 42, Number 42.4.11)

Clearly what people are told they are being deprived of is the SAME THING they previously had.

[frankie]

It is true that Muslims in generally (at least publicly) say sex with young boys is a bad thing, but in reality if you ever go to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan, or even Turkey or Morocco, it is not long before you discover it is a common thing there, but generally kept quiet about.

Have a walk though the market in Tangier, and in very few minutes you discover it's not only spices, brass work or Muslim clothing that is for sale there. You will be offered hashish, every few minutes, and sex for pay in every conceivable form, all by various hawkers, whispering things to you in every European language you care to think of. (I used to answer back in Indonesian, which baffles them, or repeat loudly what they said, and they run a mile.)

In Lahore I once sat in a cafe, and several men brought in a scruffy, dirty boy, who seemed to have been drugged. He was perhaps 10 or 11, and he could barely stand up. Everybody in the cafe was asked quite openly if they would like to "rent him". The cafe only had male customers, as often in Muslim lands. I should have called the police, but I was scared stiff, so I pretended not to notice, and left quickly.

In Saudi Arabia, this thing is so common place, that Muslims sometimes joke about it, specially in Indonesia, where it is much less common.

The separation of the the sexes there brings some quirky, rotten fruit, it seems.

As to the "non-intoxicating" wine, wouldn't you call that grape juice? The Qur'an specifically says WINE, which is a fermented drink in Arabic, though it could be from dates or other fruit as well as from grapes. So Allah allows a FERMENTED (Alcoholic) drink in paradise, the SAME wine in principle as we have here, but he protects people from the intoxicating effect of that drink in paradise.

So why does Allah not do the same with wine on earth? Why would a drink that Muslims regard as unclean, like blood or urine, on earth become a reward in paradise?

Muslims pretend that the Qur'an speaks of a qualitatively different drink in paradise. Then it would reasonable to ask why it did not say that, and why instead it insists on using the word "wine".

What the Qur'an does say clearly, that the wine in paradise is even better that earthly wine, but that Allah has magically removed its intoxicating effect, without changing the wine into some other drink. In other words, according to the Qur'an Allah did not alter the wine, he altered the people.

This become clear from this idea, found many times in the hadith, for example:

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who drank (wine) in this world would be deprived of IT in the Hereafter. (Sahih Muslim, Book 023, Number 4967

or

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah said "Whoever drinks wine in this world and does not turn from it in tawba, IT is haram for him in the Next World." (Malik’s Muwatta, Book 42, Number 42.4.11)

Clearly what people are told they are being deprived of is the SAME THING they previously had.

Manfred:

Thank you Manfred for your insight on this most deplorable aspect of a practice condoned by the Islamic faith.

Islam is a cesspit in which all nature of despicable crimes against humanity can be perpetrated with impunity, under the guise of a fraudulent religion.

It truly fits the bill of being from a Satanic source.

To those who say I am wrong and that Islam does not condone such practices, then where is the outrage, and demonstrations for change from Muslims in the countries where the abuse of children is taking place?

The silence is deafening!

[piscohot]

Allah claimed something like 124000 messengers sent to mankind before Muhammad.
How many of those promise 'wide-eyed hooris with heaving bosoms' in paradise for believers, other than Muhammad?