The double speak of holy spirit

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The double speak of holy spirit

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OK a brief reply is that the bible has many authors and and hence many points of view
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The holy spirit lacks consistency.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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The "whole spirit" does not dictate texts. If you want to find out why some texts are called "inspired" you need to look a little deeper.

Unlike some texts, the bible is not about which foot to use to enter the toilet and things like that. It isn't even about social or political issues, even though they sometimes come up.

The overarching theme is about a commonly held belief in a loving and caring God. It tries to tell HIS story, not yours or mine.

The many writers of the biblical texts share with us over the centuries what they believed to be true and important. They tell the history of a people, their trials and tribulations, the successes and failures of their leaders, their kindnesses and their cruelty, they insights and their mistakes, and most of all they tell us about the thing that made them a people, their belief that in amongst all of that mess there is something more, something important that can be found really quite easily if you look hard enough. They also bring us stories and songs, poems and much more, all related to that one theme. They sometimes write odd things, stuff that to us makes little sense, but they do have a message, a message about a caring, loving and guiding God.

Now, you can believe them or not, as you wish, you can also make fun of them if you must. The fact remains that for hundreds of generations in many different countries and eras their words meant something to a great many people. There simply is no other collection of texts in the world that had such an effect on so many people. Often, these old writers inspired people enough to do inspiring things of their own, like Frances of Assisi or Mother Theresa of Calcutta, for example, and many many more nobody has ever heard of. At other times people, realising the special nature of these texts, have tried to use them for their own purposes, too; so even in abusing them they acknowledge that they are special.


It seems they even affect you, in a way...
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The overarching theme is about a commonly held belief in a loving and caring God. It tries to tell HIS story, not yours or mine
Then how does it explain him blessing with kids in geometric proportion while simultaneously blessing them with an increase in food only in arithmetic proportion.I do not see the loving and caring aspects of God in this natural phenomenon.Nor do I see any care and love in him allowing the largest number of loss of human foetuses in the form of miscarriages.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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This has been numerously addressed and why don't you try and find the answer by yourself?

Here is some things your may like to read:

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http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/b ... -suffering" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Perhaps this is a start to work it out:

In Christian teaching God himself did not spurn suffering and a humiliating death on the cross, and God did not promise his followers wealth and happiness (you only find that in Islam) . "If you want to follow me lick up your cross."
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In Christian teaching God himself did not spurn suffering and a humiliating death on the cross, and God did not promise his followers wealth and happiness
If suffering is so inevitable why did her holiness Saint Mother Theresa establish institutions for minimising suffering .At the same time there is indeed an obvious contradiction with her in that she is supposed to have been against administering pain killers to her patients as they supposedly would find Christ in their suffering.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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why do you think? Do I really have to answer for her?
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