Hombre wrote:mughal fair enough. you wrote that you already completed work on 36 surah and have 78 more to go. Let see them.
Please post few of those completed surah. Let see the content. Or provide the link to that site where is posted.
thanks
passerby wrote:Is islam a peaceful religion as taught by the quran, the hadith, etc.? I am just curious.
manfred wrote:Dear passerby, that is the thing... neither the Qur'an nor the hadith teach anything peaceful. in fact the opposite is true.
Mughal's "translation" is a complete re-write which would be seen by any real Muslim as highly offensive.
iffo wrote:@Mughal,
Whose fault it is if humanity did not understand.
Its your god writing such a stupid confusing message that only you understood. And he had the guts to say he wrote it very clearly. Didn't he know it was not clear? Proving he was no god, but Muhammad writing himself.
Mughal wrote:passerby wrote:Is islam a peaceful religion as taught by the quran, the hadith, etc.? I am just curious.
Dear paaserby, islam is not a religion but a deen and I have already explained the difference between the two. As for deen of islam it means a way of life that can lead mankind to blissful, dignified and secure existence in this world and therefore in hereafter provided people learn sense to make proper sense of it and follow it faithfully.
To live by a way of life means to fulfil one's needs as explained by the quran as a member of a proper human community.
regards adn all the best.
Mughal wrote:manfred wrote:Dear passerby, that is the thing... neither the Qur'an nor the hadith teach anything peaceful. in fact the opposite is true.
Mughal's "translation" is a complete re-write which would be seen by any real Muslim as highly offensive.
Dear manfred, my interpretation of the quran is based upon foundational rules which are not used in almost all of the quranic translations and interpretations due to which has risen confusion or perhaps that was the reason such vital rules were ignored by mullahs in their interpretations of the quran to mislead people.
One has to read through my work on the quran to see what is wrong with mullahs' interpretation of the quran and why.
regards and all the best.
You mean you can interpret the quran.
Mughal wrote:iffo wrote:@Mughal,
Whose fault it is if humanity did not understand.
Its your god writing such a stupid confusing message that only you understood. And he had the guts to say he wrote it very clearly. Didn't he know it was not clear? Proving he was no god, but Muhammad writing himself.
Dear iffo, do you do things without any purpose in mind? If you do not then how can you not be aware that Allah too has to have a purpose for doing anything at all. What is that purpose and what is there in this universe or in the revelation of Allah that does not fit in with stated purpose of Allah? If you do not bother to learn how to make sense of things then can that really be fault of God? Have you bothered reading through my explanation of the quran in the links provided for this very purpose? Unless we learn something properly we cannot be right in talking against it. It only reflects our own ignorance about it. So kindly read what is explained and see how it makes sense.
regards and all the best.
dear mughalMughal wrote:Dear Hombre, I have already provided link to what I have written so far but here it is again http://www.jangforum.net/index.php?action=forum see discover islam section on that forum. I am now working surah 40.
regards and all the best.
Hombre wrote:Mhghal
Since reading both book. The Hebrew Bible & the Quran, I have been trying to compare the Jewish Prophets to that of Muslim - Muhammad being the only one. (Please DO NOT even think of trying to convince me, All those pre-Islam era prophets were preaching Islam - they were not - Period),
In ancient days, when prophets like Moses, Jonah, and others, warned the people of impending punishment from God, upon those who did not followed God's commands, they were punished. Often, mitigated by God onto the people. These punishment came in form of natural disasters. (the 10 Pledges, the Flooding during Noah, and the eruptions in Sodom & Gomorrah. These acts must have given more credibility to these prophets, and served as proof that, God indeed was communicating with them, as his messenger. Furthermore, through these events, both, HB & NT provide ample evidence that, God WAS communicating directly with his prophets / Messengers.
Looking at Mohammad's era, and from the Quran & Hadith, it is clear that:.
a) Alllah (God) never talked directly to Mohamad - always, through a 3rd intermediary party (Angle Gabriel). An act by itself a suspicious one
b) Nowhere, do we read, or find, any indications that, Allah himself ever punished those who refused to follow Mohammad.
c) The convincing evidence is that, all those punishments were planned, initiated, and committed by none other them Mohammad himself - often himself took part in the orgy of killing infidels. ("Allah revealed to me, to kill those people".
What I mean is that, while other prophets were able to demonstrate their extraordinary powers (Jesus to heal woulds. Moses to part the Red Sea, etc). Mohammad never proved these powers - only went out there and yelled "Allah revealed". In fact, by aligning himself with them, Mohammad simply juxtopozed those prophets powers, to convince the gullible Muslims as though he also possessed them
So, how can we be NOT sure that, Allah existed only in Mohammad own imaginations, He & Alllah are one.
Hombre wrote:mughal,
Perhaps remind you that, I am also well familiar with Arabic letters & words.
First. it is you who mispronounce the first verse in the quran. It DOES NOT sound "BIS MILLA HIRRAHMAA NIRRAHEEM" - Rather "Biss-millah-u-rahman-u-rahim. It is clear that your native language is NOT Arabic. you pronounce it with heavy Hindu accent.
The most astonishing which made me choke is that, you claim those Mullahs who's native language is same language as the Quran, they do not understand, nor interpret the Quran as it should. Yet, you as Hindu native, who's mother tong is NOT Arabic you, seem to understand it better then they do. Allah is Akbar no?
Second. If you claim that, words in Quran are beyond human comprehension, then why not claim the same standards to the Hebrew Bible & New Testament?. After all, the original HB was written in Hebrew & Aramaic. NT was written in Greek. So these book also do contain "word beyond comprehension of human being".
As I mentioned before, since the Quran is devoid of meaningful context. A manuscript written in low quality language - Muslims like you clink to every word and invent theories which defy logic, with sole purpose to foreclose further critical discussions about the Quran.
I am very sorry to be hard on you friend. But your your argument - along with other decent Muslims like you about the merits and validity of the Quran is not convincing - period.
Hombre wrote:Dear mughl,
Lets set aside the intellectual foot dancing, and cut through the chase. Any manuscript which repeats biblical stories which were told 1500 years earlier - it can not be word of god - rather, words of a plagiarizer, who copied them from others, and sold them to those gullibles as originated from him.
The very fact that, those Jews of that time who did not buy Muhammad's biblical stores is because they knew those stories from their own religious belief going back 1500 year. Muhammad was telling them - rather crudely, what they already knew. Since he could not prove them his stories were genuine - he did what every criminal does - eliminate witnessed and evidence. Deny the HB & NT and kill Jews who questioned his authenticity.
The fact is, 70% of stories told in Quran, all were derived from HB. 25% from NT. 3% from Hindu, and remaining from Pagan practice (where the symbol of the moon came from?- pagan practice)
We all believe in what we WANT to believe. Since birth you have been told "Quran is a word of God", therefore you believe. What you and other well educated and meaning Muslims need do, is closely examine Muhammad's life BEFORE he declared himself as prophet. Where was he? whom did he interact with? (Jews & Christians). At the end of the day, you will reach same conclusions as others did - Muhammad derived all his stories NOT from Allah or Angles - rather from stories he heard while visiting Synagogues and Churches throughout the Mekkah, Yatribe area & Damascus, where he lived & grew up & visited .
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