Former Muslims,now Christians

[frankie]

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=7GG6GWNX

[coray]

Not a single Muslims every converted to Christianity, you filthy liar. It is all fake.

Whoever becomes a Christian never even was a real Muslim before.

[Ariel]

Hi Mehmet. You like us so much that you came back ? We will make a good Christian out of you. Mark my words.

[Hombre]

Not a single Muslims every converted to Christianity, you filthy liar. It is all fake.

Whoever becomes a Christian never even was a real Muslim before.

This guy is the son of Hamas leader, and one of its founders, who had convert into Christianity, Is he too a fake? - watch it for yourself

[frankie]

Not a single Muslims every converted to Christianity, you filthy liar. It is all fake.

Whoever becomes a Christian never even was a real Muslim before.

coray:

You can run from the truth,but you can never hide.

[fas]

Very simple: a person who changes his religion never really was a proper Muslim. So NOBODY as such leaves Islam. Only some people are fake Muslims.

[sum]

Hello fas

This extremely feeble and pathetic excuse is trotted out by all muslims when a muslim sees the truth, leaves Islam, and accepts another religion. Muslims can not bring themselves to accept that a muslim can see for himself that Islam is false. Islam can not cope with truth and so comes up with this infantile excuse that they were not muslims in the first place and so hope that the "truth" of Islam remains intact with 100% loyalty.

fas, you are indoctrinated and are programmed to spew out Islamic dogma.

sum

[frankie]

Very simple: a person who changes his religion never really was a proper Muslim. So NOBODY as such leaves Islam. Only some people are fake Muslims.

fas

Not so, the world is increasing in numbers of ex Muslims, they have finally come to their senses and realise it is all just one big deception from start to finish.

It's about time you did yourself a favour too and leave this fraudulent faith, which teaches you how to become a terrorist for your god.

[frankie]

Very simple: a person who changes his religion never really was a proper Muslim. So NOBODY as such leaves Islam. Only some people are fake Muslims.

What is it that gives away that an ex Muslim is a "fake" Muslim?

How do you know for sure that a "fake" Muslim was never a Muslim in the first place?

[Fernando]

Very simple: a person who changes his religion never really was a proper Muslim. So NOBODY as such leaves Islam. Only some people are fake Muslims.

What is it that gives away that an ex Muslim is a "fake" Muslim?

How do you know for sure that a "fake" Muslim was never a Muslim in the first place?

It's a particularly ridiculous argument when Muslims have already made the even more ridiculous claim that all babies are born Muslims and that converts to Islam are "reverting" So how can these apostates not have been real Muslims, when they are supposed to have been born Muslim?

[pr126]

Very simple: a person who changes his religion never really was a proper Muslim. So NOBODY as such leaves Islam. Only some people are fake Muslims.

What is it that gives away that an ex Muslim is a "fake" Muslim?

How do you know for sure that a "fake" Muslim was never a Muslim in the first place?

It's a particularly ridiculous argument when Muslims have already made the even more ridiculous claim that all babies are born Muslims and that converts to Islam are "reverting" So how can these apostates not have been real Muslims, when they are supposed to have been born Muslim?

That would require thinking, and Muslims are discouraged from doing that.

[deafAncient]

Muslims converting to Christianity is merely jumping out of the pan into the fire. It is a mistake, especially when it's suspected that Paul the Apostle had seizures or epilepsy himself.

[manfred]

Muslims converting to Christianity is merely jumping out of the pan into the fire. It is a mistake, especially when it's suspected that Paul the Apostle had seizures or epilepsy himself.

Well we are not quite sure if Paul was an epileptic, but that on its own, even if true, does not really discredit what he wrote, or does it? It is always best to look at a persons thoughts first, read what he wants you to take any notice of, before asking questions about who he is. Sometimes we are tempted into dismissing someone's ideas purely because of who or what he is, without even giving him a chance. Sometimes even a small child can astound you with a surprising insight.

Also, I am not sure that Islam and other religions are necessarily equivalent in every way. We don't get a lot of Christian suicide bombers, for example....

Every person has to find their own truths in life, and simply to rely completely on the words of others without evaluating yourself is not only lazy, it is is dangerous.

Personally, I think a Muslim has a relatively easy choice; almost all other options other than Islam offer an improvement of some kind.

[Hombre]

Muslims converting to Christianity is merely jumping out of the pan into the fire. It is a mistake, especially when it's suspected that Paul the Apostle had seizures or epilepsy himself.

you seem well educates - thanks to western schools and values.

Let me ask you please. Beside the proverbial "decadence" "corrupt with no morals or scrupulous", which Muslims often cite. what else Islam provides us over Judea-Christianity?. What does Islam bring to the table, which Judaism & Christianity already have had for centuries before.

If Islam is so superior, and Quran contain wisdom for all mankind and for eternity, how come Muslim have fallen so much behind the rest of civilization?. What have Muslim contributed to humanities for past 500 years.?

[manfred]

Judaism and Christianity is meant to produce spiritual fruit, whereas Islam specialises in producing religious nuts.

[deafAncient]

Muslims converting to Christianity is merely jumping out of the pan into the fire. It is a mistake, especially when it's suspected that Paul the Apostle had seizures or epilepsy himself.

you seem well educates - thanks to western schools and values.

Let me ask you please. Beside the proverbial "decadence" "corrupt with no morals or scrupulous", which Muslims often cite. what else Islam provides us over Judea-Christianity?. What does Islam bring to the table, which Judaism & Christianity already have had for centuries before.

If Islam is so superior, and Quran contain wisdom for all mankind and for eternity, how come Muslim have fallen so much behind the rest of civilization?. What have Muslim contributed to humanities for past 500 years.?

Hombre,

You have misunderstood me. I didn't make myself clear enough. What I mean by the cooking analogy is that if you want to get out of heat/fire, get out of the kitchen of Abrahamism altogether. Otherwise, you'll be burned by the super-hot surface of the pan, or you'll be burned by the fire itself. Converting isn't the solution. Islam doesn't provide anything over Christianity, and never has. However, keep in mind that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are the big three of Abrahamic religions. I am a Sanātani (Hindu), so I look at things from a very different perspective. Are you familiar with Rajiv Malhotra's books and articles on comparative religion from a Hindu perspective? It would be quite revealing if you read his works. His works made very clear for me why I've been at odds in my own Western culture. He makes very clear what problems lie within Abrahamism.

[manfred]

Abrahamic religions

This term has been first suggested by Muslim writers and is quite misleading. The "Abraham" of Islam is a completely different figure from the the one of the Hebrew bible. His values and actions are not those of the biblical character. Islam is not in any sense of the word "Abrahamic". Islam has many sources many of which either git corrupted or deliberately changed to serve Mohammed's ends.

Example:

Islamic Abraham walked 1600 km through the worst desert on the planet, as a frail old man, to build a sanctuary in Mecca, a city which did not exist at his times, in fact not for at least another 2200 years. This alone is so ludicrous it needs some consideration as to how by all that is sane such a tall tale could be made up and believed by almost a billion people.

In reality the Kaaba was a polytheistic shrine about 200 years old when Mohammed, not unlike a Hindu temple. When Mohammed took it over, retaining most of the rituals, he had to invent a new history for his sanctuary, so suddenly Abraham was written into the story.

To call Islam "Abrahamic" on those grounds is rather comical in my view.

[Ibn Rushd]

Hildegard von Bingen had epilepsy, but her visions are still widely read and studied. Her books are found in the theology and medicine sections of the library.

Regarding Islamic invention of the term "Abrahamic religions": I wonder if we can pinpoint that to a specific date. I know that before it was suggested, no one thought about it.

[manfred]

Funnily enough, the term "abrahamic" is quite a recent one, from the 1940's, and one of the earliest proponents is a in fact a Maronite priest from Lebanon.

Its most important and influential promoter was a Lebanese Maronite priest, Youakim Moubarac, following in the footsteps of his teacher, Massignon, who regarded Islam as a faith of genuine revelation — and Muhammad as a prophet — but in more primitive stage than Christianity.

He also taught that Mohammed was a prophet and that any Christian's natural place was to serve Muslims with devotion and fervour.

Moubarac interpreted the end of Christian political power [i.e. in Lebanon] as a religious liberation which would restore to the Church the vocation that Islam had assigned to it: a service of charity and love toward Muslims. (Islam and Dhimmitude p. 183.)

This vision of a political and spiritual reconciliation between faiths based upon a shared identity as followers of “Abrahamic faith” is fundamentally flawed. In fact it leads to Islamization, as a society based on the Quranic concept of Abrahamic faith is a sharia state, which by virtue of the structure of Islamic law, is devoted to the decline and ultimate disappearance of Christianity and Judaism.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Mark_Du ... c_Fallacy/

True to form, without even having thought up the term by themselves, it swiftly became a Muslim tool for spreading mis-information about Islam.

In reality "Abraham" as a unifying figure for Judaism, Christianity and Islam is really a very bad choice. The Islamic Abraham is Mohammed's invention and largely unrelated to the biblical one, and on the whole Abraham is interpreted also somewhat differently between Jews and Christians. To Jews, he is a prime example of following the Torah, to Christians he is an honest man who was blessed and saved by God for his trust and obedience.

[deafAncient]

You would have to read Rajiv Malhotra's books to understand why Islam is part of the Abrahamic family.