A question for the muslims.

[yeezevee]

So on that persecution table of A_ Muslim., I would argue with him to read the following links., Off course we need more proof and more information on that ., mean while I hope A_ Muslim will read the links and think about it..
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with best regards
yeezevee

[Pragmatist]

Another question for you A. Muslim should the Quran always be read in 'context' i.e in the 'historical' time in which is was written ? Be very cared=ful with your answer and please don't try and avoid it it will be noted that you cannot defend Islam if you do.

Ofcourse it has to be read in context & then only we can apply it in present scenarios. Taking it absolutely literally is certainly prone to misinterpetation as when translated in diffrent languages there are words that will have diffrent meanings in diffrent langauges .

As a rather abstract constitution, Qur’an shall be interpreted in the light of its constitutional perspectives, such as the principle of mother of legislation, Qur’anic supremacy and the maintenance of fundamental rights. These perspectives will give effect to the comprehensive guidance and understanding of the constitutional aspect of Qur’an.

LOL

What a complete load of BS. if the Krap Kran has to be read in the context of 7th Century Arabia than it has no legitimacy now or anywhere outside of primitive Arabia. Also you allude to LITERAL and ALLEGORICAL verses can you please give us the list of which is which after all allah could not let mere MEN decide what HE is saying could he by deciding which is which.
So you confirm that Primitive Ambiguous Ancient Arabic is the ONLY language that can be used to understand the Krap Kran. Well that being the case the claims the Krap Kran makes for itself of being ' For ALL men for ALL time" and being Clear and EASILY understood' are COMPLETE HOGWASH aren't they and must be added to the host of OTHER MISTAKES this evil misogynistic, anti semitic, violent book makes.

[tsig]

Hello Pragamatist

Your quote -
'there is more than one way to skin a rabbit'

That is one of my favourite expressions. I hope that the "new skinning" approach reaps dividends.

sum

Well, there's no way to do it so that the rabbit will like it.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Also you allude to LITERAL and ALLEGORICAL verses can you please give us the list of which is which after all allah could not let mere MEN decide what HE is saying could he by deciding which is which.

They never do. They just make the claim. That's because they lie. you're not supposeed to ask for this, you're simply supposed to swallow whatever the liars say, and if you don't, you are merely being stubborn. Yes, that is the bizarre, twisted mentality, and what's even worse is that they see absolutely no problem with this.

[Pragmatist]

Also you allude to LITERAL and ALLEGORICAL verses can you please give us the list of which is which after all allah could not let mere MEN decide what HE is saying could he by deciding which is which.

They never do. They just make the claim. That's because they lie. you're not supposeed to ask for this, you're simply supposed to swallow whatever the liars say, and if you don't, you are merely being stubborn. Yes, that is the bizarre, twisted mentality, and what's even worse is that they see absolutely no problem with this.

Yep but it does not stop the cretins trying the SAME excuses time after time after time. I mean Ahmad Baghat tries to use the SAME excuses to the same people who busted his arse over it before such is their lack of intellect. I caught him once in the Old Forum arguing on one thread that Aisha did not exist and at the SAME TIME telling a fellow Mohammedan on another thread to RESPECT the Mother of Islam. Much the same as he has just tried doing on here.

[Muhammad bin Lyin]

Also you allude to LITERAL and ALLEGORICAL verses can you please give us the list of which is which after all allah could not let mere MEN decide what HE is saying could he by deciding which is which.

They never do. They just make the claim. That's because they lie. you're not supposeed to ask for this, you're simply supposed to swallow whatever the liars say, and if you don't, you are merely being stubborn. Yes, that is the bizarre, twisted mentality, and what's even worse is that they see absolutely no problem with this.

Yep but it does not stop the cretins trying the SAME excuses time after time after time. I mean Ahmad Baghat tries to use the SAME excuses to the same people who busted his arse over it before such is their lack of intellect. I caught him once in the Old Forum arguing on one thread that Aisha did not exist and at the SAME TIME telling a fellow Mohammedan on another thread to RESPECT the Mother of Islam. Much the same as he has just tried doing on here.

Caught red handed, and he could care less. There's honor in being a good liar if you are lying for Islam. So he's practicing as hard as he can to hone his skills because he's currently as good of a liar as a 4th grader.

[Pragmatist]

Also you allude to LITERAL and ALLEGORICAL verses can you please give us the list of which is which after all allah could not let mere MEN decide what HE is saying could he by deciding which is which.

They never do. They just make the claim. That's because they lie. you're not supposeed to ask for this, you're simply supposed to swallow whatever the liars say, and if you don't, you are merely being stubborn. Yes, that is the bizarre, twisted mentality, and what's even worse is that they see absolutely no problem with this.

Yep but it does not stop the cretins trying the SAME excuses time after time after time. I mean Ahmad Baghat tries to use the SAME excuses to the same people who busted his arse over it before such is their lack of intellect. I caught him once in the Old Forum arguing on one thread that Aisha did not exist and at the SAME TIME telling a fellow Mohammedan on another thread to RESPECT the Mother of Islam. Much the same as he has just tried doing on here.

Caught red handed, and he could care less. There's honor in being a good liar if you are lying for Islam. So he's practicing as hard as he can to hone his skills because he's currently as good of a liar as a 4th grader.[/quote]

Thats true but what a pity his English is not as good as a 4th Graders more like a pre schoolers. Krap Kran translator my arse. But seriously truth, honesty and shame are just not part of their make up at because all they care about is winning the argument or rather fooling other deluded Mohammedans that they have won the argument. I think Sum is right having to twist logic and common sense in order to believe the illogical nonsense of the Krap Kran and in fact all of Islam with its lies, contradictions, misogyny, anti semitism, violence and HYPOCRISY must damage the brain and my God does it show as the Mohammedans who post here prove over and over again..

[ronyvo]

Hello muslims

Would you like to be able to have full and unconditional friendship with non-muslims and also be able to fully integrate into non-muslim society without any restrictions?

What do you really want?

sum

I am NOT Muslim, thanks to God.

However, I can reply to your question based on my personal experience as a Christian live for 25 years in an Islamic country, and my good knowledge of the Koran.....

NO, they cannot, BUT they would excercise 'takiyya' (deception) in order to gain the trust of the ignorant infidels, so they can kill them.

“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is on of them.” Surah 5:51 & 3:28
“Kill the mushrikeen (polytheists, Christians and non-Muslims), wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush”. Surah 9:5
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are believers.” Surah 9:123
“And fight them until there is no more fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every king of) worship is for Allah (alone).” Surah 2:193