has humanity understood the quran properly?
Mughal wrote:All our knowledge comes from God be it direct or indirect. The Quran states that Allah has given mankind brain and senses and that they should use them properly for learning through observation and reflection. This was said 1400 years back.
Muslims and nonmuslims fight not because of the quran but because of their ignorance about it and due to what they want out of the quran. If all people had decent education and read the quran to make sense of it they will see a lot of sense in the quranic text.
This is why people who are not well educated cannot understand the stuff that is only for people with knowledge of higher level stuff.
Mughal wrote:All our knowledge comes from God be it direct or indirect.
The Quran states that Allah has given mankind brain and senses and that they should use them properly for learning through observation and reflection. This was said 1400 years back.
manfred wrote:Yes. we know oh prophet and messenger. You and only you understand the Quran and Mohammed. Allah was too dumb to say what he wanted to say and he needed you to explain it all away. When Allah says "kill the unbeliever" he really meant tickle them a bit with a chicken feather.
Are you still at your own personal Mecca phase, and contend with half a dozen followers or less?
When will you get your head round the simple fact that Muslims follow ISLAM and not Mughalism?
Surely soon you will start blowing things up and beheading people, following Mohammed's example, and your following and wealth will rise.
You are making apologies for atrocities.
manfred wrote:So, Mughal, as you foolishly assert that the Quran has divine origin, tell me what will Allah do to those who CHANGE his words?
Also, tell me why, as the Quran repeated says it is "CLEAR", it still needs you to make apologies for it?
darth wrote:Mughal wrote:All our knowledge comes from God be it direct or indirect. The Quran states that Allah has given mankind brain and senses and that they should use them properly for learning through observation and reflection. This was said 1400 years back.
Please give us the verse number in the quran where this is stated. We will look it up ourselves and see what it says.
frankie wrote:Muslims and nonmuslims fight not because of the quran but because of their ignorance about it and due to what they want out of the quran. If all people had decent education and read the quran to make sense of it they will see a lot of sense in the quranic text.
Mughal:
Following on from your advise I have read the Quran and come across this verse which according to your reasoning I "should see a lot of sense"
Please explain this verse so that I may come to see the sense in this particular quranic text, bearing in mind that both the Law and the Gospel do not advocate their faithful to "kill and get killed" in the name of their God, which this verse strongly implies.
Quran 9.111
God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur 'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
piscohot wrote:This is why people who are not well educated cannot understand the stuff that is only for people with knowledge of higher level stuff.
the quran must be a joke then.
cos' it came from a person whom believers declared to be illiterate.
ygalg wrote:Mughal wrote:All our knowledge comes from God be it direct or indirect.
if only Allah stop being shy and affirm it by himself, that would be factual.The Quran states that Allah has given mankind brain and senses and that they should use them properly for learning through observation and reflection. This was said 1400 years back.
it seems slipped from Allah's mind, koran meant for all humanity. yet written that only Allah capable to interpret it properly, furthermore written in the language not all know it. and even these who do, unable to interpret it properly. koran contains vague details, words tho written in arabic letters, actually foreign.
sum wrote:Hello Mughal
Did Muhammad truly understand Islam? Despite all his depravity there are no criticisms of Muhammad by Allah in the Koran. It therefore follows that what Muhammad did and said was true Islam. We can not blame muslims who follow the evil deeds of Muhammad if Allah says that Muhammad is the perfect example to follow and that Allah did not criticise Muhammad for any specific word or deed by Muhamad.
Muhammad`s Islam is the true Islam. There is no escaping this fact. Islam is Muhammadanism.
sum
sum wrote:Hello Mughal
Why do you consider the Koran to be more acceptable than the New Testament? The message in the New Testament is far more acceptable to all humanity than the Koran. Why do you favour the Koran and not the New Testament?
Do you actually see the hatred and intolerance in the Koran or do you drift into a state of denial to avoid seeing the hatred and intolerance that muslims are to display against the non-muslims?
sum
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