All muslim surely go to hell by default ( A paradox)

[FreeFromIslam]

As stated by Islam that every children is born as a muslim.
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Volume 2, Book 23, Number 440:

Narrated Ibn Shihab:

The funeral prayer should be offered for every child even if he were the son of a prostitute as he was born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone). If his parents are Muslims, particularly the father, even if his mother were a non-Muslim, and if he after the delivery cries (even once) before his death (i.e. born alive) then the funeral prayer must be offered. And if the child does not cry after his delivery (i.e. born dead) then his funeral prayer should not be offered, and he will be considered as a miscarriage. Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: 'The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone), with which He has created human beings.' " (30.30).
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Also we found in another book,
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.
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It means, All non-moslem shall be killed because they all have been changed in religion. If they do not follow this direct command from tyrant prophet, surely the will go to the hell. We know all moslems are subdued, then off course they obey to kill every non-moslem creature in the earth violently, after their arrogant campaign (as in syria) and being stubborn in their aqeedah.

Doing so, the other hadits shall be fulfilled.
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Volume 6, Book 60, Number 440:

Narrated Haritha bin Wahb Al-Khuzai:

I heard the Prophet saying. "May I tell you of the people of Paradise? Every weak and poor obscure person whom the people look down upon but his oath is fulfilled by Allah when he takes an oath to do something. And may I inform you of the people of the Hell-Fire? They are all those violent, arrogant and stubborn people."
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At the end, all moslem are cheated brilliantly by the evil genius prophet. The prophet needs many followers to watch him have a sex with 72 virgins.
Poor you are moslem . It is true that Allah (and MoMo pbuh) are the same entity because both are the great deceiver.

[manfred]

Hello, and nice to meet you!

Now, this is an interesting thought.... All children are born Muslim... so if they grow up as something else, obviously they have "changed" their religion and should be killed according to Islamic teaching. Now, what about their parents and teachers who caused this? Are they not even more to blame... ?

Maybe all Christians and Jews should be castrated, while waiting execution?

I think you are right, if you think it through, it effectively means that ALL non-Muslims should be killed, no exceptions. Then, of course, we get to the tricky question, who counts as a Muslim? Shia only? Sunni? Ahmadi?....

Also, if there are violent, stubborn and arrogant people in hell, shouldn't feel Mohammed quite at home there?

But then, another interesting scheme by Allah would not work

Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with AS HEAVY SINS AS A MOUNTAIN, and Allah would FORGIVE THEM and He would PLACE IN THEIR STEAD the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle? I said: Yes. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668)

If there are no Jews and Christians to function as scapegoats, because they are already killed off, and only Muslims left, there would be no Jew or Christian to assign to any of them...

Also, we have some hadith that Muslims will be saved by the shahadda and NONE go to hell, and some others that despite of this some ended up there after all, (they got lost?) and then they get rescued later and arrive in paradise with burnt skin... (Now we know where black people come from...)

So first there are NO Muslims in Hell:

Narrated 'Utban bin Malik Al-Ansari:

who was one of the men of the tribe of Bani Salim: Allah's Apostle came to me and said, "If anybody comes on the Day of Resurrection who has said: La ilaha illallah, sincerely, with the intention to win Allah's Pleasure, Allah will make the Hell-Fire forbidden for him." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 431)

But then they get rescued...:

‘O Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, "None has the right to be worshiped except Allah." Then Allah will say, ‘By my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: 'None has the right to be worshipped except Allah.’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601)

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Some people will come out of the Fire after they have received a touch of the Fire, changing their color, and they will enter Paradise, and the people of Paradise will name them 'Al-Jahannamiyin' the (Hell) Fire people." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 564)

It's all a bit mad, if you ask me...

[pr126]

Manfred wrote:

It's all a bit mad, if you ask me...

That's not all.

By this logic, Muhammad was born a Muslim.

Who is a Muslim?

Muhammad the pagan, invents [Muhammedan] Islam, "reverts" back to become a [Muhammedan] Muslim (again), promotes the pagan stone idol Allah to the rank of the creator of the universe, keeps all the pagan customs and rituals and calls it Islam. With a bit of corrupted bible stories thrown in for good measure.

It gets better:

Who is Allah?

It's all a bit mad, if you ask me..

[FreeFromIslam]

alloh realy 'protects' moslems to be violent, arrogant and stubborn.
Manfred, with your saying I must confess there is no really evil except alloh (alias MoMo pbuh). it is a perfect deceiver.

thanks for it and I am going mad..

[marduk]

So according to Islam Muhammad himself should have been killed sometime during his life as an idol worshiper, before he went nuts and turned against the idols. How did Allah let Muhammad get into a condition in which he is worthy of execution. It would have been easy enough to have Gabriel appear to him as a young man and warn him not to worship the idols. Since that didn't happen this alone proves Muhammad a fraud. Jesus didn't worship idols. None of the Jewish prophets did. The only supposed prophet who ever did that was Muhammad, him and his whole damn family. They were the idol worshiping family. They looked after the idols and the Kaaba. Muhammad personally polished the idols daily. You can't really back away from that later and credibly claim to be the last and greatest prophet, or even a prophet at all of any kind.

Muhammad would have been the LAST person on earth that God would have chosen as his prophet. A pagan idol worshiper from a long line of idol worshipers, who can't even read or write. What exactly would have been the basis for choosing him? It's just completely incomprehensible that such a thing would happen. Allah will ask the idols questions and they will say "yup, it was Muhammad who polished us and worshiped us".

[Eagle]

As stated by Islam that every children is born as a muslim.

No. Every human is created in a state of spiritual uprightness 30:30. This original state, naturally inclining to the Truth, is reinforced with an ingrained instinctive ability to perceive the existence of the Creator 7:172-3 through our God given spiritual senses 23:78,46:26,67:23,76:2( studies have shown children are born with a natural predispostition to believe in an intelligent design http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... laims.html).
Although God could forcefully maintain this state of spiritual purity in every man's life 42:8, He has decreed we must nurture it ourselves through tazkiya/purification 91:7-10 by either accepting His guidance and recognizing His signs, or rejecting His guidance and turning deaf, dumb and blind to His signs.
With the combination of our freewill, our innate divine instincts and the spiritual senses allowing the cognizance of Divine existance, some of us recognize the Creator and others disbelieve in Him and His surrounding signs 2:115,12:105,31:20,64:2, becoming from those whom the verse 30:30's ending refers to as those who "do not know" due to the corruption instead of nurturing of that upright nature beyond recognition. That is why the Quran refers to itself as the "reminder" and constantly speaks of it making men "return". It is bringing them back to their original, natural uprightness.
Such spiritual deterioration not only disregards the spiritual tools and signs put at man's disposal but also the fact man has been made 87:2,82:6-9"complete" and 95:4"in the best make" to fulfill the measure decreed for each person 54:49 meaning that none can be held responsible for what is beyond his mental, physical or spiritual capacities.