Top 5 Errors in Koran

[Centaur]

well my arse is more noble
What is the islamic criteria for a book to be noble ? take your pick
1having errors and contradictions
2.Repetitive,violent,intolerant and hard to make sense of
2 Author should be a violent sex manic who even bonks his daughter in law by introducing self serving verses

[Jonah]

Saying that Abiogenesis have never been observed is more than enough to put this silly myth behind
This is ofcourse without us even getting to the part of Chiliarty.

Perhaps you'd like to draw me a picture of gravity - I'll let you off finding a photo. Failing that, how about a picture of the allah? Difficult, I think, as not even Mo observed it. As for chirality, I think you'll find that it presents a lesser problem than abiogenesis itself. Mechanisms for both have been proposed, any one of them far more likely to be accurate than Mo's hallucinations. AFAIK, Muslims for long enough had no problems with evolution, provided the allah was considered to have added souls to humans but not to other animals. I think a quick search will even dig up claims of Muslims describing evolution long before Darwin did. Then they got in league with the Christian creationists and, via Adnan Oktar, started preaching American nonsense.

If Abiogenesis is wrong Evolution is wrong. Or maybe you have another whacko theory on how the first living thing came to life?

Not at all. You have a whacko theory that they came, thanks to the Allah, from mud. Sounds pretty much like theobiogensis to me, using the same materials - after which, evolution could be relied on to do the rest. After all, the allah had a busy time ahead, working on all those predictions of events billions of years ahead and getting them written down on that tablet. Or are you a Young Earth theogenesist following the American Christian fundamentalists ?

Again Abiogenesis have never been obesereved and never will be.

Miller's Experiment gave us right handed amino acids which are ussless.

Atleast with Islam it gave us the Quran
And darwin didnt really make up Evolution. It existed way before him. His grandfather even teached evolution.

Abiogenesis and Evolution are just myths like Dragons and Unicorns

[Jonah]

well my arse is more noble
What is the islamic criteria for a book to be noble ? take your pick
1having errors and contradictions
2.Repetitive,violent,intolerant and hard to make sense of
2 Author should be a violent sex manic who even bonks his daughter in law by introducing self serving verses

The quran has none of those
Ive already debunked your nr 1 error with 4:23

[marduk]

Hey Ghaith, how come the Quran used a version of the Legend of Abraham that was composed by a Rabbi at least a century after the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, which has Abraham being thrown into a furnace, instead of the one in the Book of Jubilees, which was composed when the Temple was still standing and priests were still around, which says that Abraham set the whole idol shop on fire and has no mention of Abraham himself being thrown into a fire? Bet you won't answer this.

What part makes the story false? Do you got any evidence from the time of Abraham that this did not happen?

What part makes it false is that a man could be thrown in a fire and live, that's what. Oh, Ghaith the scientist thinks a human can be in a fire and not get burned. Wow. The Book of Jubilees version is actually believable. That gives us a very good reason to believe the priests and not the wacky Rabbis, or do you think Rabbis are in direct contact with Allah? In that case, you better become a Jew and listen to some Rabbis.

[Fernando]

Miller's Experiment gave us right handed amino acids which are ussless.

Stop the exam! Ask them to delay your paper until you've had chance to do a bit more swotting. Miller-Urey produced a racemic mixture, not just single-handed products. Even your kuffar teachers at Answers in Genesis admit that.

Atleast with Islam it gave us the Quran
And darwin didnt really make up Evolution. It existed way before him. His grandfather even teached evolution.

Abiogenesis and Evolution are just myths like Dragons and Unicorns

And before that? How can Muslims both claim to have discovered evolution before Darwin and also call it a myth? One lot of Muslims must - shock, horror! - be wrong!

Pre-modern thought
Primitive evolutionary ideas have existed in the Muslim world ever since they were expressed by the Afro-Arab biologist Al-Jahiz (c. 776-869), who first described the struggle for existence, a precursor to natural selection.[12][13] Many other medieval Islamic philosophers and biologists later expressed evolutionary ideas, including Ibn Miskawayh, the Brethren of Purity,[14] Abu Rayhan Biruni,[15] Nasir al-Din Tusi[16] and Ibn Khaldun.[17][18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution

[Jonah]

Miller's Experiment gave us right handed amino acids which are ussless.

Stop the exam! Ask them to delay your paper until you've had chance to do a bit more swotting. Miller-Urey produced a racemic mixture, not just single-handed products. Even your kuffar teachers at Answers in Genesis admit that.

Atleast with Islam it gave us the Quran
And darwin didnt really make up Evolution. It existed way before him. His grandfather even teached evolution.

Abiogenesis and Evolution are just myths like Dragons and Unicorns

And before that? How can Muslims both claim to have discovered evolution before Darwin and also call it a myth? One lot of Muslims must - shock, horror! - be wrong!

Pre-modern thought
Primitive evolutionary ideas have existed in the Muslim world ever since they were expressed by the Afro-Arab biologist Al-Jahiz (c. 776-869), who first described the struggle for existence, a precursor to natural selection.[12][13] Many other medieval Islamic philosophers and biologists later expressed evolutionary ideas, including Ibn Miskawayh, the Brethren of Purity,[14] Abu Rayhan Biruni,[15] Nasir al-Din Tusi[16] and Ibn Khaldun.[17][18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution

Again miller was a complete fail the amino acids where right handed amino acids and to create them he didnt use N2 or CO2 he used methane and ammonia. So we still have abiogenesis have not yet been observed. Where does this leave Evolution?

Ive heard that Muslims have claims about evolution but i belive it goes even further.

Buddha of Bamiyan eh?

[Fernando]

Miller's Experiment gave us right handed amino acids which are ussless.

Stop the exam! Ask them to delay your paper until you've had chance to do a bit more swotting. Miller-Urey produced a racemic mixture, not just single-handed products.

Again miller was a complete fail the amino acids where right handed amino acids and to create them he didnt use N2 or CO2 he used methane and ammonia. So we still have abiogenesis have not yet been observed. Where does this leave Evolution?

Ive heard that Muslims have claims about evolution but i belive it goes even further.

Buddha of Bamiyan eh?

Never mind stop the exam, Ghaith, you'd better get it postponed until next year if you don't understand "produced a racemic mixture, not just single-handed products". Racemic means a mixture of equal parts of left and right-handed products. That's what the Miller-Urey experiment produced. It might have been more interesting if you'd been right: if such simple conditions could produce just or predominantly right handed, it would be worth looking for other conditions which might produce predominantly left-handed. However, it's probably more fruitful to search for selective reaction mechanisms which would pick out the left-handed once formed. As of course would take place once abiogenesis had moved to the replication stage.

As for what mixture of gases was used, so what? Your rejection would only be valid if you could show both that a) your choice of gas mixtures was the same as at the (chosen) time in Earth's past and b) Miller and Urey had tried it and got nothing. If you're to become a proper scientist, Ghaith, you must understand that it proceeds by a series of steps. Falling at one step does not invalidate the whole sequence: Miller and Urey were not making a once-and-for-ever attempt to prove that life did not need a supernatural creator, which failed and so proved for ever that life began supernaturally. Errors are accepted, methods changed, theories adjusted. Unlike claims of infallible books being produced by divine omniscient beings, which no amount of falsification will quell - as you yourself have shown!

[Jonah]

Again the amino acids Miller produced was a fail that why he froze them.
He used gass that would not have been in the earth at that time.
Long story short as of today Abiogenesis has not yet been observed. Making evolution worthless unless you get a whacko theory how the first creature came to life. Maybe aliens landed on earth and they mutated into fish?

[Centaur]

Well I thought this thread is about errors in Koran and not about abiogenesis or big bang.Please, no more how come Mohammed knew it 1400 years ago arguments here

[Jonah]

There are no errors in the Quran

Ive already debunked your NR 1

[peterpin]

OH?
Which one was that?
By the way,what shallI call you now, Ghaith or Jonah?

[Jonah]

OH?
Which one was that?
By the way,what shallI call you now, Ghaith or Jonah?

Ive told you before i left to read Aya 4:23 which debunks the entire backbone business

[Fernando]

Well I thought this thread is about errors in Koran and not about abiogenesis or big bang.Please, no more how come Mohammed knew it 1400 years ago arguments here

That was Ghaith, claiming yesterday that he knew enough chemistry to debunk abiogenesis. That still being speculative, he obviously found it an easier subject than trying to defend the obvious errors in the koran. However, his Christian creationist teachers had prepared him badly - they want Muslims only as a mouthpiece, not competition, as they have their own nonsense to defend.

[Jonah]

Well I thought this thread is about errors in Koran and not about abiogenesis or big bang.Please, no more how come Mohammed knew it 1400 years ago arguments here

That was Ghaith, claiming yesterday that he knew enough chemistry to debunk abiogenesis. That still being speculative, he obviously found it an easier subject than trying to defend the obvious errors in the koran. However, his Christian creationist teachers had prepared him badly - they want Muslims only as a mouthpiece, not competition, as they have their own nonsense to defend.

Ive already told you Abiogenesis has never been observed.M/U experiment It was a bigger fail than Nabraska man

If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that amino acids could be formed from the experiment , than it succeeded no doubt.
However
If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that all of the necessary amino acids for life could be formed, then it failed.
+ It used ussless gasses.

Understand yet?

[Fernando]

Ive already told you Abiogenesis has never been observed.

Nor has the 'Lah. Even your "prophet" never claimed to have seen more than a dogsbody angel.

If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that amino acids could be formed from the experiment , than it succeeded no doubt.
However
If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that all of the necessary amino acids for life could be formed, then it failed.

I've not too much a problem with that, although you still haven't understood the difference between "to show that" and "to see what/whether". It did indeed show that aminoacids could be formed and it never attempted to show that all those necessary for life could be formed.

Understand yet?

You're beginning, slowly.

[Jonah]

Ive already told you Abiogenesis has never been observed.

Nor has the 'Lah. Even your "prophet" never claimed to have seen more than a dogsbody angel.

If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that amino acids could be formed from the experiment , than it succeeded no doubt.
However
If the Miller-Urey experiment was made to show that all of the necessary amino acids for life could be formed, then it failed.

I've not too much a problem with that, although you still haven't understood the difference between "to show that" and "to see what/whether". It did indeed show that aminoacids could be formed and it never attempted to show that all those necessary for life could be formed.

Understand yet?

You're beginning, slowly.

Seems like we are on the same page. Unless you belive in evolution than you woudl kindly explain how the first being came.

You said something about my propher never claimed to have seen more than a dogsbody angel?

Perhaps you forgot Isra and Miraj?

[Fernando]

Perhaps you forgot Isra and Miraj?

You're right, I had. But AFAIK the Koran doesn't mention any sightings of the 'Lah. That's for the fallible human hadiths, which IIRC you've already dismissed because of the human-headed Buraq.

[Jonah]

Perhaps you forgot Isra and Miraj?

You're right, I had. But AFAIK the Koran doesn't mention any sightings of the 'Lah. That's for the fallible human hadiths, which IIRC you've already dismissed because of the human-headed Buraq.

Im not a sunni so i am open minded to hadiths. But the Quran do say.

17:1
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

[Fernando]

Im not a sunni so i am open minded to hadiths. But the Quran do say.

17:1
Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

"Exalted is He" doesn't sound like the 'Lah talking but "whose surroundings we have blessed" does. The 'Lah then appears to go on to say that Mo has been shown some signs, not granted a personal viewing. Whichever of them is supposed to be talking, I seen no sighting of the 'Lah. Wouldn't it say something like: "I allowed Mo to gaze on me" or alternatively "I was allowed to gaze on him"? Is the pure clear unambiguous Arabic failing again? Or is it just mistaken wishful thinking by Muslims?

[Fernando]

On second thoughts, it's even vaguer - isn't the one who took Mo on this nocturnal ramble a mere angel? It looks as though Mo is the angel's servant, then. We'll be having a djinn controlling him next!