Question for Ghaith and MM

[iffo]

I was reading that solar system compared to milky way galaxy is like a computer CD compared to earth, and there are billion of such galaxies like that. If Allah created all this and is so big and smart, then

1. Why he is so stupid that he expects that people would believe Muhammad to be his prophet just because Muhammad said so. What did Muhammad do that Allah thinks people ought to believe him?.

2. Despite being so big, why he gets so pissed if someone is not convinced that Muhammad was his prophet, why he is so crazy and psycho that he will burn innocent little people again and again and enjoy doing that?

[marduk]

I second the question. How can Allah punish us for not obeying the Messenger when he didn't even give a clear sign like he did with Moses and Jesus. With Moses everybody saw the cloud descend onto the mountain and heard Allah's voice. With Jesus his birth was announced by Gabriel, the REAL Gabriel, and they heard Allah's voice when he was baptized. What was the clear sign that Muhammad was the last and greatest prophet?

[sum]

Hello iffo

I hope that you have more success with your questions than I do with mine. MesMorial and Ghaith both ignore my questions despite being asked several times. They are trapped by Islam and fear.

sum

[pr126]

Marduk wrote:

What was the clear sign that Muhammad was the last and greatest prophet?

Only the swords of his body guards. That would be a clear sign to anyone to keep his mouth shut.

[Ghaith]

Hello iffo

I hope that you have more success with your questions than I do with mine. MesMorial and Ghaith both ignore my questions despite being asked several times. They are trapped by Islam and fear.

sum

Maybe when you stop lying and quoting out of context people will start answering you question.

Iffo and mar

With Jesus his birth was announced by Gabriel, the REAL Gabriel,

Suddenly you became a Christian mar Didnt satan worshipping work out?

when he didn't even give a clear sign like he did with Moses and Jesus.

Muhammad was the last and greatest prophet?
1. His prophecy in the bible
2. Muhammad showed Miracles greater than those of Moses and Jesus. ( Sura 54:1-2)
King of Malabar in India witnessed the miracle.

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html

Here are some more eye witnesses

The eye-witness accounts:

Let us look at those eye witnesses' narrations:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: "The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split ( into two pieces ) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, "Be witnesses." Then a Piece of the moon went towards the mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 209)"

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: "During the lifetime of the Prophet the moon was split into two parts and on that the Prophet said, 'Bear witness (to thus).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 830)"

Narrated Anas: "That the Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 831)"

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 832)"

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split (into two places). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 210)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split (into two pieces). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 211)"

Narrated Abdullah: "Five things have passed, i.e. the smoke, the defeat of the Romans, the splitting of the moon, Al-Batsha (the defeat of the infidels in the battle of Badr) and Al-Lizam (the punishment)' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 345)"

Narrated Abdullah: "Allah sent (the Prophet) Muhammad and said:--

'Say, No wage do I ask of you for this (Qur'an) nor am I one of the pretenders (i.e. a person who pretends things which do not exist). (38.68) When Allah's Apostle saw Quraish standing against him, he said, "O Allah! Help me against them by afflicting them with seven years of famine similar to the seven years (of famine) of Joseph. So they were afflicted with a year of drought that destroyed everything, and they ate bones and hides. (One of them said), "And they ate hides and dead animals, and (it seemed to them that) something like smoke was coming out of the earth. So Abu Sufyan came to the Prophet and said, "O Muhammad! Your people are on the verge of destruction! Please invoke Allah to relieve them." So the Prophet invoked Allah for them (and the famine disappeared). He said to them. "You will revert (to heathenism) after that." 'Abdullah then recited:

'Then watch you for the Day that the sky will bring forth a kind of smoke plainly visible.......but truly you will revert (to disbelief).' He added, "Will the punishment be removed from them in the Hereafter? The smoke and the grasp and the Al-Lizam have all passed." One of the sub-narrator said, "The splitting of the moon." And another said, "The defeat of the Romans (has passed)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 349)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "Five things have passed: Al-Lizam, the defeat of the Romans, the mighty grasp, the splitting of the moon, and the smoke. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 350)"

Narrated Ibn Masud: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split into two parts; one part remained over the mountain, and the other part went beyond the mountain. On that, Allah's Apostle said, 'Witness this miracle.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 387)"

Narrated Abdullah: "The moon was cleft asunder while we were in the company of the Prophet, and it became two parts. The Prophet said, 'Witness, witness (this miracle).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 388)"

Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The moon was cleft asunder during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 389)"

Narrated Anas: "The people of Mecca asked the Prophet to show them a sign (miracle). So he showed them (the miracle) of the cleaving of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 390)"

Narrated Anas: "The moon was cleft asunder into two parts. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 391)"

"Abdullah said that five signs have (become things) of the past (and have proved the truth of the Holy Prophet): (Enveloping) by the smoke, inevitable (punishment to the Meccans at Badr), (the victory of) Rome, (violent) seizing (of the Meccans at Badr) and (the splitting up of) the Moon. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6721)"

"Abu Ma'mar reported on the authority of Abdullah that the moon was split up during lifetime by Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in two parts and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear testimony to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6724)"

"This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas'ud (who said): We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to us: Bear witness to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6725)"

"Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the moon was split up in two parts during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). The mountain covered one of its parts and one part of it was above the mountain and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear witness to this. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6726)"

"Anas reported that the people of Mecca demanded from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that he should show them (some) signs (miracles) and he showed them the splitting of the moon. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Anas through another chain of transmitters. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6728)"

"Anas reported that the moon was split up in two parts and in the hadith recorded in Abu Dawud, the words are: 'The moon was split up into two parts during the life of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).' (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6729)"

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the moon was split up during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him). (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Giving Description of the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell (Kitab Sifat Al-Qiyamah wa'l Janna wa'n-Nar), Book 039, Number 6730)"

3.Not forgeting that the Quran is the greatest miracle, and the fullfilled prophecies
"Some criteria are needed in order to distinguish cases of lucky guesses from those of true prophecy. Let us define a genuine prophecy as one that satisfies the following five criteria:
The prophecy must be clear, and it must contain sufficient detail to make its fulfillment by a wide variety of possible events unlikely.
The event that can fulfill the prophecy must be unusual or unique.
The prophecy must be known to have been made before the event that is supposed to be its fulfillment.
The event foretold must not be of the sort that could be the result of an educated guess.
The event that fulfills the prophecy cannot be staged, or the relevant circumstances manipulated, by those aware of the prophecy in such a way as to intentionally cause the prophecy to be fulfilled."

FINGER PRINTS

"Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" (41:21)
The finger prints system at borders, criminal investigation cells and immigration centres prove the fulfillment of this Quranic prophecy.
POLLUTION

"Corruption has spread on land and sea because of what men’s hands have wrought" (30:42)
One of the interpretations of the above verse of the Holy Quran is the environmental pollution, caused by human being. And that is spread both in land and sea due to our own inventions, i.e., fumes from chimneys of factories, chemical and nuclear waste, huge traffic in the cities, noise and creation of ozone hole are manifest testimonies of the fulfillment of this prophecy.
ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)
Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.
GENETIC ENGINEERING

"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)
The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.
ROADS IN MOUNTAINS

"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)
Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.
NEW TRANSPORT SYSTEMS

"And when the she-camels, ten months pregnant are abandoned." (81:5)
"And He has created horses and mules and asses that you may ride them, and as a source of beauty. And He will create what you do not yet know." (16:9)

As we know people, specially those living in deserts, have now abandoned camels and other animals for travelling. But this prophecy of invention and emergence of new transport systems is on-going as we witness new and faster modes of transportation emerging all the time.
ZOO

"And when the wild beasts are gathered together." (81:6)
Nobody could ever imagine that one day wild beasts shall be captured, tamed and put together in closed and open parks. The establishment of zoo have fulfilled this prophecy.

This are just few of many.

Hope this answers.

[Connedbymo+co]

Lets see what gullible Yoshi has for us today!

FINGER PRINTS

"Their skins will bear witness against them as to what they have been doing" (41:21)
The finger prints system at borders, criminal investigation cells and immigration centres prove the fulfillment of this Quranic prophecy.

This verse mentions nothing about finger prints and is therefore WISHFUL THINKING. Even if it did this is no miracle as finger prints were known by babylonians and Chinese well before the Koran was revealed.

POLLUTION

"Corruption has spread on land and sea because of what men’s hands have wrought" (30:42)

The above verse has nothing to do with pollution, this is a fake translation to fool gullible people like you Yoshi!
I take it you mean verse 30.141:

30.041
YUSUFALI: Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of (the meed) that the hands of men have earned, that (Allah) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from Evil).

This verse is referring to disbelief not pollution!
Mischief and corruption has appeared at the time the Koran was revealed and Allah is saying turn back from evil and follow Allah.

Which is confirmed by the next verse:

030.042
YUSUFALI: Say: "Travel through the earth and see what was the end of those before (you): Most of them worshipped others besides Allah."

Most of these people worshipped others and not Allah so turn back from mischief and believe in Allah.

"They will alter Allah's creation." (4:120)
The holy Quran has prophesied the plastic surgery, genetic engineering and cloning in this short and concise sentence.

This again is wishful thinking. The prophet warned women in hadeeths not to change anything regarding their appearance such as plucking eyebrows etc.

ROADS IN MOUNTAINS

"And when the mountains are made to move." (81:4)
Centuries before the invention of dynamite, the holy Quran prophesied the blowing up and moving of the mountains.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid. The above verse is talking about judgement day!!

"And when the she-camels, ten months pregnant are abandoned." (81:5)
"And He has created horses and mules and asses that you may ride them, and as a source of beauty. And He will create what you do not yet know." (16:9)

As we know people, specially those living in deserts, have now abandoned camels and other animals for travelling. But this prophecy of invention and emergence of new transport systems is on-going as we witness new and faster modes of transportation emerging all the time.

Once again the above verse is talking about judgement day. The fact that you admit people are not using camels anymore proves the Koran is talking nonsense as come the end of the world camels will unlikely be required by any humans. Thanks for admitting this and highlighting more nonsense in the Koran.

ZOO

"And when the wild beasts are gathered together." (81:6)
Nobody could ever imagine that one day wild beasts shall be captured, tamed and put together in closed and open parks. The establishment of zoo have fulfilled this prophecy.

Guess what Yoshi, the above verse is also talking about JD. HAhahahaha!!!!!!!!!

This are just few of many.

Examples of dishonesty or delusion?

Hope this answers.

Yes it answers why you are a Muslim.
The inability to reason and think for yourself is what marks you down as a typical brain dead Muslim.
Easily fooled and lied to. I'm sure your prophet would have loved you!

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Please just answer my question.

Do you believe that buraq actually existed as described and Muhammad really did ride buraq on his night journey?

sum

[Ghaith]

Connedbymo+co im afraid you the gullible today my friend

I take it you mean verse 30.141:

I mean 30:41-43 not 141


Here is what i found to be funny and ironic.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid.

Than you come and say

This again is wishful thinking. The prophet warned women in hadeeths not to change anything regarding their appearance such as plucking eyebrows etc.

So because prophet muhammad saw warned woman not to change anything, this means that they wont?

Silly

The Prophecy is true as we can alter our self.

As for the skin claim, doesnt our skin already expose us if we do mischief? The greek knew about it but they didnt have system to track down by Dna or finger prints. Again your claim gets debunked

Here is an IQ test which you failed at regarding 81:3-5 .

You said.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid. The above verse is talking about judgement day!!

Once again the above verse is talking about judgement day. The fact that you admit people are not using camels anymore proves the Koran is talking nonsense as come the end of the world camels will unlikely be required by any humans. Thanks for admitting this and highlighting more nonsense in the Koran.

Guess what Yoshi, the above verse is also talking about JD. HAhahahaha!!!!!!!!!

You right indeed, it is talking about Judgement day, but my claim is right aswell. As this Prophecies are true, mountains can be removed, we have modern transport and we have zoo. Now lets look at the context.

8:1-14
When the sun is overthrown,
And when the stars fall,
And when the hills are moved,
And when the camels big with young are abandoned,
And when the wild beasts are herded together,
And when the seas rise,
And when souls are reunited,
And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked
For what sin she was slain,
And when the pages are laid open,
And when the sky is torn away,
And when hell is lighted,
And when the Garden is brought nigh,
(Then) every soul will know what it hath made ready.

This prophecies are to be fullfield before the JD, and the ones i gave have already been fullfield out of the 13 prophecies.

[paxi christi]

Ghaith

dynamite,we have modern transport and we have zoo.

you call these aswell as the others you have quoted prophecies?

i think god would look to humans souls in prophecies wouldnt you?

really,you have to stop now reading/listening to who ever is giving you this line of thought.you will be in the nutty farm before long.

and i truly mean that with the most respect of one fellow human to another.

[Connedbymo+co]

Connedbymo+co im afraid you the gullible today my friend

I take it you mean verse 30.141:

I mean 30:41-43 not 141


Here is what i found to be funny and ironic.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid.

Than you come and say

This again is wishful thinking. The prophet warned women in hadeeths not to change anything regarding their appearance such as plucking eyebrows etc.

So because prophet muhammad saw warned woman not to change anything, this means that they wont?

Silly

The Prophecy is true as we can alter our self.

As for the skin claim, doesnt our skin already expose us if we do mischief? The greek knew about it but they didnt have system to track down by Dna or finger prints. Again your claim gets debunked

Here is an IQ test which you failed at regarding 81:3-5 .

You said.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid. The above verse is talking about judgement day!!

Once again the above verse is talking about judgement day. The fact that you admit people are not using camels anymore proves the Koran is talking nonsense as come the end of the world camels will unlikely be required by any humans. Thanks for admitting this and highlighting more nonsense in the Koran.

Guess what Yoshi, the above verse is also talking about JD. HAhahahaha!!!!!!!!!

You right indeed, it is talking about Judgement day, but my claim is right aswell. As this Prophecies are true, mountains can be removed, we have modern transport and we have zoo. Now lets look at the context.

8:1-14
When the sun is overthrown,
And when the stars fall,
And when the hills are moved,
And when the camels big with young are abandoned,
And when the wild beasts are herded together,
And when the seas rise,
And when souls are reunited,
And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked
For what sin she was slain,
And when the pages are laid open,
And when the sky is torn away,
And when hell is lighted,
And when the Garden is brought nigh,
(Then) every soul will know what it hath made ready.

This prophecies are to be fullfield before the JD, and the ones i gave have already been fullfield out of the 13 prophecies.

Yes we can alter our appearance but this has been happening for centuries the point is the Koran doesn't mention the methods you mention. Only the gullible will see this as a something significant.

The Koran says nothing about finger prints so this is wishful thinking. The babylonians and chinese knew about unique finger prints.



Are you really that stupid Yoshi?!!
These verses are about judgement day and what Allah will do. The surah is called THE OVERTHROWING this surely should make it obvious. It has nothing at all to do with zoos and dynamite!!!

I shouldn't need to bother to explain any further but all animals will be gathered by Allah on JD:

006.038
YUSUFALI: There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

And mountains will crumble away on JD:

073.014
YUSUFALI: One Day the earth and the mountains will be in violent commotion. And the mountains will be as a heap of sand poured out and flowing down.


Yoshi wake up man, do you enjoy being so foolish?!!

[iffo]

@Ghaith

Muhammad never split any moon, Quran confirms he showed no miracle while people were asking him to show miracles.

Your other so called prophesies are garbage and a child's day dreaming and wishful thinking and shows why Muslims are so behind and lack intelligence.

I am sure you believe in this as well
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/72726964@N00/304727677/

Stupidity of these guys is too much to handle.

The bible you call corrupt one can find 1000 this kind a bogus prophesies there as well.

So question back to you why would anyone believe him to be prophet.
Why your Allah expects everybody to believe what muhammad says and get so upset that he will become psycho and start burning them?
Don't you think it's a psycho act to be burning others.? Would you call me psycho if you find out instead of killing a mouse I burn him alive one body part after anOther, putting boiling water in his eyes, while the mouse is screaming with pain?

[Yohan]

I was reading that solar system compared to milky way galaxy is like a computer CD compared to earth, and there are billion of such galaxies like that. If Allah created all this and is so big and smart, then

1. Why he is so stupid that he expects that people would believe Muhammad to be his prophet just because Muhammad said so. What did Muhammad do that Allah thinks people ought to believe him?.

2. Despite being so big, why he gets so pissed if someone is not convinced that Muhammad was his prophet, why he is so crazy and psycho that he will burn innocent little people again and again and enjoy doing that?

C'mon, You know better! You used to defend Islam and Mohammed here using the same silly crap both Ghaith and MM are using, before you revealed who you really are. They are defending their faith and of their ancestors using whatever crap they can muster. It is a matter of self pride. They just don't have the ability for introspection and see the foolishness of what they are doing. Again, too much self pride is at stake. They and their families had been barking up the wrong tree for too long to accept a mistake now.

[Yohan]

Muhammad was the last and greatest prophet?
1. His prophecy in the bible
2. Muhammad showed Miracles greater than those of Moses and Jesus. ( Sura 54:1-2)
King of Malabar in India witnessed the miracle.

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html

Here are some more eye witnesses
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Right on Ghaith! Didn't the whole India convert to Islam when the prophet split the moon, and as a resut of its emperor converting? Just curious.

You know, NASA scientists have confirmed that moon was split into two at one time. According to their calcuations, the time frame matches with when the prophet lived. As a result of this revelation a few NASA scentists converted to Islam too.

BTW, Did Mohammed even walk on water? Jesus did, you know. So who was a better prophet of Allah?

[peterpin]

Ghaith this is getting somewhat embarrassing....

You are taking snippits of text and read things INTO them. If you want to know what an ancient text means, you need to put it into the context OF ITS TIME, otherwise you get just nonsense. It simply is your vivid imagination set rolling by words from the quran. plastic surgery, good grief...


This one is curious though:

And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)
Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.

So, if according to the quran, all the Jews should live in Isarel, what on earth are the Arabs yelling about? Allah wants Israel, he is a supporter of Israel, it seems, according to the verse you gave, so Arabs should be happy about Israel being there and prospering....

Are all the Arabs rebelling against the will of allah?

Or maybe your imagination went a bit wonky here?

[Ghaith]

Connedbymo+co im afraid you the gullible today my friend

I take it you mean verse 30.141:

I mean 30:41-43 not 141


Here is what i found to be funny and ironic.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid.

Than you come and say

This again is wishful thinking. The prophet warned women in hadeeths not to change anything regarding their appearance such as plucking eyebrows etc.

So because prophet muhammad saw warned woman not to change anything, this means that they wont?

Silly

The Prophecy is true as we can alter our self.

As for the skin claim, doesnt our skin already expose us if we do mischief? The greek knew about it but they didnt have system to track down by Dna or finger prints. Again your claim gets debunked

Here is an IQ test which you failed at regarding 81:3-5 .

You said.

Yoshi are you really that naive or stupid. The above verse is talking about judgement day!!

Once again the above verse is talking about judgement day. The fact that you admit people are not using camels anymore proves the Koran is talking nonsense as come the end of the world camels will unlikely be required by any humans. Thanks for admitting this and highlighting more nonsense in the Koran.

Guess what Yoshi, the above verse is also talking about JD. HAhahahaha!!!!!!!!!

You right indeed, it is talking about Judgement day, but my claim is right aswell. As this Prophecies are true, mountains can be removed, we have modern transport and we have zoo. Now lets look at the context.

8:1-14
When the sun is overthrown,
And when the stars fall,
And when the hills are moved,
And when the camels big with young are abandoned,
And when the wild beasts are herded together,
And when the seas rise,
And when souls are reunited,
And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked
For what sin she was slain,
And when the pages are laid open,
And when the sky is torn away,
And when hell is lighted,
And when the Garden is brought nigh,
(Then) every soul will know what it hath made ready.

This prophecies are to be fullfield before the JD, and the ones i gave have already been fullfield out of the 13 prophecies.

Yes we can alter our appearance but this has been happening for centuries the point is the Koran doesn't mention the methods you mention. Only the gullible will see this as a something significant.

The Koran says nothing about finger prints so this is wishful thinking. The babylonians and chinese knew about unique finger prints.



Are you really that stupid Yoshi?!!
These verses are about judgement day and what Allah will do. The surah is called THE OVERTHROWING this surely should make it obvious. It has nothing at all to do with zoos and dynamite!!!

I shouldn't need to bother to explain any further but all animals will be gathered by Allah on JD:

006.038
YUSUFALI: There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

And mountains will crumble away on JD:

073.014
YUSUFALI: One Day the earth and the mountains will be in violent commotion. And the mountains will be as a heap of sand poured out and flowing down.


Yoshi wake up man, do you enjoy being so foolish?!!

You made the exact same claim as last time i refuted it
It's prophecies to be fulfilled before judgement day comes not that they will come at the day of judgement ..

[Yohan]

It's prophecies to be fulfilled before judgement day comes not that they will come at the day of judgement ..

What would happen if I refuse to come to this judgement day? What's Allah and his last prophet going to do?

[Ghaith]

Muhammad was the last and greatest prophet?
1. His prophecy in the bible
2. Muhammad showed Miracles greater than those of Moses and Jesus. ( Sura 54:1-2)
King of Malabar in India witnessed the miracle.

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html

Here are some more eye witnesses
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Right on Ghaith! Didn't the whole India convert to Islam when the prophet split the moon, and as a resut of its emperor converting? Just curious.

You know, NASA scientists have confirmed that moon was split into two at one time. According to their calcuations, the time frame matches with when the prophet lived. As a result of this revelation a few NASA scentists converted to Islam too.

BTW, Did Mohammed even walk on water? Jesus did, you know. So who was a better prophet of Allah?

Split the moon, Walk on water. Both are great miracle. Not going to compare who was the "better" prophet.
But can the walk on water be proven today as the spliting of the moon ?

[Ghaith]

Ghaith this is getting somewhat embarrassing....

You are taking snippits of text and read things INTO them. If you want to know what an ancient text means, you need to put it into the context OF ITS TIME, otherwise you get just nonsense. It simply is your vivid imagination set rolling by words from the quran. plastic surgery, good grief...


This one is curious though:

And after him We said to the Children of Israel, 'Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people." (17:105)
Creation of Israel and gathering of Sephardic, Ashkenazi and the Jews of many other different races in Israel proves the authenticity of this prophecy and hence Quran.

So, if according to the quran, all the Jews should live in Isarel, what on earth are the Arabs yelling about? Allah wants Israel, he is a supporter of Israel, it seems, according to the verse you gave, so Arabs should be happy about Israel being there and prospering....

Are all the Arabs rebelling against the will of allah?

Or maybe your imagination went a bit wonky here?

peter. The guy that runs in the middle of a debate.

Instead of accusing me. Prove it

You are taking snippits of text and read things INTO them. If you want to know what an ancient text means, you need to put it into the context OF ITS TIME, otherwise you get just nonsense. It simply is your vivid imagination set rolling by words from the quran. plastic surgery, good grief...

The plastic surgery one is quiet a prophecy. Does the bible have any modern day miracles? Have Egypt started to speak extinct Canaanite language yet? (Isaiah 19:18).
You tell me Peter, doesnt plastic surgery alter Gods creation?

[iffo]

@Ghaith

You did not answer, is your god psycho?
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[paxi christi]

Ghaith

could you get me a video,showing this canyon running all the full circumference of the moon.

after that could you show me how two pieces of the moon do fall apart if they did from each other,once separated with no gravity,they would simply float away from each other.

now if god did this they would see every thing happening at the time it took place.instead of just the bland writings in the koran,you would think everybody would be ecstatic about what they have just witnessed.

it would have been carried on in other verses and used as a marker for other verses wouldnt you think?

i dont think it split into to.but i would say it has had earthquake equivolants. to what we have on earth.

any magi could see that at that time if not sooner.

but they focused on things further from the monn.

would it be that the moon is the focus of islam because..it worships the moon? kabaal? al-lat.its all making scence to me now.

islam is a pagan cult.