Let us look at Noble Verse 2:217"They ask thee (Mohammed) Concerning fighting In the Prohibited Month. Say: Fighting therein Is a grave (offence); but graver is it In the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the sacred Mosque, and drive out its members. Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith (Islam) and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the hereafter; they will be companions of the fire and will abide therein." Here in this Holy Verse we see that Allah Almighty talks about those who leave Islam, and promises them punishment in the day of judgment. Allah Almighty doesn't order the death of those people.
If the writer is trying to claim that Allah is thereby confining his punishment of apostates to the hereafter then we have a contradiction with 3:56 which means that the Qur'an by its own admission is a fraud (4:82):
"As to the Kafirs, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world AND in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Unless of course Mesmorial would like to argue that "Kafirs" does not include open apostates from Islam?
Funny how Allah has the same sacred month as the preislamic Arabs. Here's a verse from one of the 7 preislamic poems that were hung on the walls of the Kaaba and known as the Mu‘allaqāt . This was before Muhammad even thought up Islam. This is from the Poem of Hareth.
34. Then we advanced against the sons of Tameim, and when the sacred month required a cessation of our war, we carried away the daughters of their tribe for our handmaids. http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/arp/arp023.htm
Abu Bakrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The year is twelve months of which four are sacred, the three consecutive months of Dhu’l-Qa’dah, Dhu’l-Hijjah and Muharram, and Rajab Mudar which comes between Jumaada and Sha’baan.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 2958).
It will be interesting to note those who react with displeasure (i.e. those attached to labels), and those who say it's good.
This book is nothing but endless nonsense and you know it. Why could not your god say things clearly that no one is arguing about it. Was it that difficult?
What is this then if it does not allowing marriage with children.
Quran 65.4 PICKTHAL: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
It will be interesting to note those who react with displeasure (i.e. those attached to labels), and those who say it's good.
This book is nothing but endless nonsense and you know it. Why could not your god say things clearly that no one is arguing about it. Was it that difficult?
What is this then if it does not allowing marriage with children.
Quran 65.4 PICKTHAL: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
That was addressed by the sunni. Here is some more:
Spoiler! :
“And test the orphans until they attain the (age of) marriage; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner.” (4:6)
The age of marriage is after puberty ends and when the person is of sound judgement. The word “ashuddah” is derived from “shaheed” conveying “full strength”, and it is used in 6:152, 17:34, 22:5, 40:67 and 46:15 to describe a child who has developed to full strength (adulthood). Property must be given to the orphan when they are fully mature (e.g. 17:34), and this is equated to marriage in 4:6. Thus the age of marriage is average 16.
The average completion of puberty for a girl is apparently 17, but one would not consider marrying earlier than say 16. The person should technically reach their adult height first, and people can tell when one is mentally “mature” enough (they are past the emotional seesaw!). 4:6 obviously refers to attaining a specified age since the Arabic word “attain” is used elsewhere to mean “passing a certain amount of time”. Moreover, if the verse simply meant “marriage”, we would have to ask why someone without maturity of intellect was married. It would also lead to the implication of marriage being compulsory before the orphan receives anything!
Certain people claim that 65:4 allows pre-pubescent marriage:
“And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.” (65:4)
This actually refers to the period that should pass between when a couple divorce and when they officially confirm it. The waiting-period is there in case the woman is pregnant. Now, the woman who no longer menstruates should still wait three months. The woman who menstruates but has not done so in this particular period must wait for three months (menstruation is a monthly occurrence), anyway.
Menstruation occurs only if the woman is not pregnant.
According to 2:226, a couple should not have sex for four months before divorce. The subsequent three month waiting period ensures they have not. 2:228 instructs normally-menstruating women to wait three cycles, whilst 65:4 instructs those who believe they have reached menopause but for whom there is a reason to doubt (either that they cannot get pregnant or that they are not pregnant) and those who have “not menstruated” to wait three months. Obviously, immediately after divorce any women will have not menstruated, and thus they will wait three months (equivalent to three cycles whether they begin to menstruate or not). 65:4 is a clarification that 2:228 is not to be taken as “three cycles”, but ultimately as “three months”. Otherwise a woman who menstruated the first month but not the next (due to a non-pregnancy reason) would have to wait potentially longer than three months. 2:228, in describing the default position for women, confirms that all married women are those who have courses (i.e. menstruate). This establishes that pre-pubescent marriage did not occur and that it was never available as an Islamic option. 33:49 echoes what 2:228 actually says (i.e. that the purpose of waiting is to see if one is pregnant). 65:4 is clarification for women who have departed from the default position of all newly-married women (i.e. they have ceased menstruating either due to pregnancy or illness). Such women can wait months instead of cycles/periods.
A critic may claim that 4:3 mandates marriage with underage orphans, but it (that interpretation) would refer only to those specific circumstances (just as polygamy is only legal in those specific circumstances).
The more obvious response is that these disadvantaged orphans (having reached the age of full-strength such that they can receive their property (17:34)) are actually old enough to be married (hence 4:6). Orphans were not defined by age. This point is solidified in 4:127 where the female orphans (or again the orphans “of the women one wishes to marry”) are distinguished from the weaker children. The female orphans of marriageable age must receive their property, and the children must have their property spent only out of necessity (in a good way (17:34)).
A desperate critic will then say that 4:6 only applies to males, in which case only male children need to be good to their parents (46:15). It also means that only female orphans receive their property in 4:2, and this is logically unacceptable. The same word for “orphans” is used in the verses 4:2, 4:3 and 4:6 such that there is no reason to differentiate the male from the female.
It is unclear whether the Qur’an permitted existing pre-pubescent marriages to continue, and this may be included in 65:4. Either way, they have been cancelled.
MesMorial wrote: Read a few verses before that. It will show you context.
Cheers.
The verses before and the verses after do not change the fact that virtually every muslim society on the planet is a failed state, which explains why muslims line up for visas to kufar countries.
The verses before and the verses after do not change the fact that a billion muslims are unable to take a tiny strip of land away from a few million Jews.
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.
Please tell me if this is accurate:
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.” ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
MesMorial wrote: Read a few verses before that. It will show you context.
Cheers.
The verses before and the verses after do not change the fact that virtually every muslim society on the planet is a failed state, which explains why muslims line up for visas to kufar countries.
The verses before and the verses after do not change the fact that a billion muslims are unable to take a tiny strip of land away from a few million Jews.
MesMorial wrote: Maybe they are not following Islam.
They are.
That's why muslims are so stupid and backward.
Interesting thing for them to think about.
“This is because Allah has never changed a favour which He has conferred upon a people until they change their own condition; and because Allah is Hearing, Knowing.” (8:53)
“Surely Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change their own condition.” (13:11)
“It is a warning, for those among you who wish to progress or remain behind.” (74:36-37)
MesMorial wrote: Maybe they are not following Islam.
They are.
That's why muslims are so stupid and backward.
Interesting thing for them to think about.
“This is because Allah has never changed a favour which He has conferred upon a people until they change their own condition; and because Allah is Hearing, Knowing.” (8:53)
“Surely Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change their own condition.” (13:11)
“It is a warning, for those among you who wish to progress or remain behind.” (74:36-37)
Those verses quoted just mean that allah got it wrong, which is no surprise. Allah is a moron too.
The prophet of Islam was nothing more than a common criminal.
Please tell me if this is accurate:
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.” ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
Will you kindly explain the context of 3:56 as I can not see how the context explains away the punishment, in this life as well as the hereafter, for being an unbeliever?
Will you kindly explain the context of 3:56 as I can not see how the context explains away the punishment, in this life as well as the hereafter, for being an unbeliever?
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When Messengers come, "God" destroys rejecters with rocks, earthquakes etc..
I am pleased with your comments. I now feel safe in this life as there will be no more messengers and so, as a rejector, this life does not hold any extra fears for me from the "merciful and compassionate god" who failed to convince me of his presence.
How do you know that it was "god" who destroyed people with rocks, earthquakes etc? Is this how you believe matters?
I am pleased with your comments. I now feel safe in this life as there will be no more messengers and so, as a rejector, this life does not hold any extra fears for me from the "merciful and compassionate god" who failed to convince me of his presence.
How do you know that it was "god" who destroyed people with rocks, earthquakes etc? Is this how you believe matters?
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Read a few verses before that. It will show you context.
