A question for Ghaith.

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Do you consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable and so you reject both as a legal punishment?

sum

[Ghaith]

Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

[pr126]

So do you reject Quran 5:33?

[paxi christi]

pr126

is this wt the public might want to see.............

5:33
Surat Al-Mā'idah (The Table Spread) - سورة المائدة


Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

[Ghaith]

I rather kill them quickly than to crucify them or their feet and hands. And i rather prefer them tobe exiled from the land. So im not rejecting anything.

[pr126]

I rather kill them quickly than to crucify them or their feet and hands. And i rather prefer them tobe exiled from the land. So im not rejecting anything.

Yes you are. You are uncomfortable with the barbaric methods proscribed in the Quran, such as cutting off hands and feet and crucifixion.
It is there for a reason, Allah put it there for all mankind for all times.
You cannot decide for yourself. Allah knows best.

[Ghaith]

I rather kill them quickly than to crucify them or their feet and hands. And i rather prefer them tobe exiled from the land. So im not rejecting anything.

Yes you are. You are uncomfortable with the barbaric methods proscribed in the Quran, such as cutting off hands and feet and crucifixion.
It is there for a reason, Allah put it there for all mankind for all times.
You cannot decide for yourself. Allah knows best.

Well it says that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled. That 4 alternatives i got, So i choose what i like best.

You base your facts that i only got the choice between cutting their hands or crucifing them. You are recongizing the other 2.

Silly Pr

[piscohot]

I rather kill them quickly than to crucify them or their feet and hands. And i rather prefer them tobe exiled from the land. So im not rejecting anything.

Yes you are. You are uncomfortable with the barbaric methods proscribed in the Quran, such as cutting off hands and feet and crucifixion.
It is there for a reason, Allah put it there for all mankind for all times.
You cannot decide for yourself. Allah knows best.

Well it says that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled. That 4 alternatives i got, So i choose what i like best.

You base your facts that i only got the choice between cutting their hands or crucifing them. You are recongizing the other 2.

Silly Pr

Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

so you consider the other 2 punishments laid down by Allah to be barbaric and totally unacceptable to you.

out of 4 alternatives given by Allah, only 1 is acceptable to you.
there's hope for you yet.

[marduk]

Seems a little strange that the choices are death, amputations or exile. That's quite a range there. Being exiled from Arabia isn't even a punishment, it's a gift. Allah combined two heinous things and one not even unpleasant thing. Doesn't even make sense. Who chooses which punishment the person gets? Can he choose himself? I'll take the exile, no wait, crucifixion. Just kidding, I'll take the exile.

BTW, Ghaith said "Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable."

Then Ghaith also believes that Allah is barbaric and totally unacceptable, because that was the punishment prescribed by him. It's especially egregious because his own son, Jesus, was killed crucifixion. How could Allah be so insensitive as to then have evil-doers killed by that very same method? Don't you think that hurts Jesus' feelings? What a crappy father Allah is.

[antineoETC]

Well it says that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled. That 4 alternatives i got, So i choose what i like best.

You base your facts that i only got the choice between cutting their hands or crucifing them. You are recongizing the other 2.

Silly Pr

Are you a Qur'an-only Muslim Ghaith?

[Ghaith]

I rather kill them quickly than to crucify them or their feet and hands. And i rather prefer them tobe exiled from the land. So im not rejecting anything.

Yes you are. You are uncomfortable with the barbaric methods proscribed in the Quran, such as cutting off hands and feet and crucifixion.
It is there for a reason, Allah put it there for all mankind for all times.
You cannot decide for yourself. Allah knows best.

Well it says that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled. That 4 alternatives i got, So i choose what i like best.

You base your facts that i only got the choice between cutting their hands or crucifing them. You are recongizing the other 2.

Silly Pr

Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

so you consider the other 2 punishments laid down by Allah to be barbaric and totally unacceptable to you.

out of 4 alternatives given by Allah, only 1 is acceptable to you.
there's hope for you yet.[/quote]

That my choice i rather kill then to cut of body parts....

Note crucifixion doesnt mean death, neither do cuting arms and legs of. So i am the one being barbaric by choicing to kill.

[pr126]

Yosh1994 wrote:

Note crucifixion doesnt mean death

Crucifixion does mean death. It is a method of execution.
The crucified is not removed until he is dead. And it is a slow torture to death. It could take days to die in horrible agony.

[Ghaith]

BTW, Ghaith said "Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable."

Out of context marduk...


Sum Do you consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable and so you reject both as a legal punishment?
Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

Legal punishment doesnt automaticly come to mind as a punishment for those who wage war against Allah (swt) and the prophet (saw). Legal punishment can be for anything from stealing an apple to not paying a parking ticket and i find crucifixion and impalling barbaric and unacceptable, how ever when it comes to those who wage war against Allah (swt) and the prophet (saw) my view changes, how ever if its up to me to choose the punishment i rather just kill them than to impale or crucify them to a palm tree or similar. But that just my views

[Ghaith]

Crucifixion does mean death.
The crucified is not removed until he is dead. And it is a slow torture to death. It could take days to die.

Crucifixion does not necerally mean death. It was also used a torture methode

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary defines "Crucifixion" as:

the method of torture and execution used by the Romans to put Christ to death.

Sources:
"Crucifixion", in B. M. Metzger and M. D. Coogan (Eds.), Oxford Companion To The Bible, 1993, Oxford University Press: Oxford & New York, p. 141.

G. G. O'Collins, "Crucifixion" in D. N. Freedman (Editor-in-Chief), Anchor Bible Dictionary, 1992, Volume I, Doubleday: New York, p. 1207.

"Crucifixion Of Christ", in H. Lockyer, Sr. (General Editor), F. F. Bruce et al., (Consulting Editors), Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1986, op. cit., p. 267.

[pr126]

Crucifixion does mean death.
The crucified is not removed until he is dead. And it is a slow torture to death. It could take days to die.

Crucifixion does not necerally mean death. It was also used a torture methode

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary defines "Crucifixion" as:

the method of torture and execution used by the Romans to put Christ to death.

Sources:
"Crucifixion", in B. M. Metzger and M. D. Coogan (Eds.), Oxford Companion To The Bible, 1993, Oxford University Press: Oxford & New York, p. 141.

G. G. O'Collins, "Crucifixion" in D. N. Freedman (Editor-in-Chief), Anchor Bible Dictionary, 1992, Volume I, Doubleday: New York, p. 1207.

"Crucifixion Of Christ", in H. Lockyer, Sr. (General Editor), F. F. Bruce et al., (Consulting Editors), Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1986, op. cit., p. 267.

Thank you for confirming my post.
Now once more. The word "execution" means what exactly? It means putting someone to death.

You are not very bright, are you?

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

Your quote -
Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

You have now rejected Allah`s punishments. Do you realise that with your clear and unambiguous rejection of Koranic guidance you have committed blasphemy and become an apostate? It is reassuring that there is more humanity in you than there is in Allah.

Please confirm that you still reject crucifixion and impalement as barbaric and unacceptable despite what the Koran dictates.

sum

[marduk]

How can anyone "wage war against Allah"? The phrase "wage war against Allah and his messenger" really means "wage war against Muhammad". Kind of hard to march an army into heaven. So it's really just Muhammad making up whatever punishments he thinks will scare people enough that they won't try to resist his robbery attempts or heresy spreading attempts. Ironically, Muhammad was the one who was doing all the "spreading corruption in the land". Sadly, nobody crucified him.

[Ghaith]

Hello Ghaith

Your quote -
Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

You have now rejected Allah`s punishments. Do you realise that with your clear and unambiguous rejection of Koranic guidance you have committed blasphemy and become an apostate? It is reassuring that there is more humanity in you than there is in Allah.

Please confirm that you still reject crucifixion and impalement as barbaric and unacceptable despite what the Koran dictates.

sum

You asked

Hello Ghaith

Do you consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable and so you reject both as a legal punishment?

sum

I answered.

Yes i do consider that crucifixion and impalement are barbaric and totally unacceptable.

How did i exactly commit blasphemy and become an apostate?

Did you ever ask me if i found crucifixion to barbaric as a punishment against someone who waged war against Allah (swt) and Muhammad(saw)?

Why are you putting words in my mouth doctor?



Silly sum

For the record i find killing those who wage war more suiteble than to crucify them. But i do not find crucifying them to barbaric.

[sum]

Hello Ghaith

You committed blasphemy by your very clear statement that you find crucifixion and impalement barbaric and unacceptable. There were no qualifications and so you rejected Allah`s punishment. No amount of wriggling can get you off the hook.

If you want to try and wriggle a bit more to avoid upsetting Allah just tell me if you find crucifixion and impalement acceptable in any circumstances.

sum

[Ghaith]

Crucifixion does mean death.
The crucified is not removed until he is dead. And it is a slow torture to death. It could take days to die.

Crucifixion does not necerally mean death. It was also used a torture methode

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

The Oxford Companion to the Bible defines "Crucifixion" as:

The act of nailing or binding a person to a cross or tree, whether for executing or for exposing the corpse.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary defines "Crucifixion" as:

the method of torture and execution used by the Romans to put Christ to death.

Sources:
"Crucifixion", in B. M. Metzger and M. D. Coogan (Eds.), Oxford Companion To The Bible, 1993, Oxford University Press: Oxford & New York, p. 141.

G. G. O'Collins, "Crucifixion" in D. N. Freedman (Editor-in-Chief), Anchor Bible Dictionary, 1992, Volume I, Doubleday: New York, p. 1207.

"Crucifixion Of Christ", in H. Lockyer, Sr. (General Editor), F. F. Bruce et al., (Consulting Editors), Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1986, op. cit., p. 267.

Thank you for confirming my post.
Now once more. The word "execution" means what exactly? It means putting someone to death.

You are not very bright, are you?

or for exposing the corpse

And again repeat Crucifixion does not mean death.

Today in Iran if you survive for about 60 hours.

Prove to me that Crucifixion is only used execution.

The quran never says Roman Crucifixion, now its up to you to prove the Crucifixion=Death and is not also used as a method for torture.