The pedophile claim

[Makeen]

What makes a crime?

Well I'm sure we can agree that for world peace the world should be at one with nature. In harmony with each other and the nature that surrounds us, the animals, the trees, the birds, the bees and everything else. And therefore anything that is against nature should be a crime.

If we were all at one with nature, the criminal would be the one who breaks the perfect established peace of a world in harmony.

So how does this relate to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

He honored her, pedophiles do not honor anyone.

I'm sorry but reality and nature can appear harsh or odd but by the perfect laws of nature, he didn't do anything against it. The marriage was consummated when she was capable of bearing a child.

This is probably an argument that hasn't been raised. But I thought about it deeply and came across this in my thoughts. In reality he did nothing against nature.

I might pick a fruit for example off a tree. Now I don't pick that fruit to eat it until it's ripe or ready to be eaten and nature decides when it is ripe or ready to be eaten not me. Similarly, he did not do anything against nature.

Do you think the West has an understanding of the laws of nature? Your developed countries have ever increasing cancer rates and obesity epidemics. The fitness industry was never needed back in those days for the Arabs. Sudden death is common and heart disease is common as well in your countries. Your countries are spending millions, if not billions of dollars for answers which all are leading towards coming back closer to nature, prevention, healthy diets, exercise and ridding of deceiving convenience and you still have the nerve to claim he was a pedophile. Your countries are desperate for answers spending billions for them.

If you think about, you ask or observe any health conscious fanatic and you will see that they are closer to nature than your average Joe.

If you go and tell a lazy very obese individual, "You are fat, you need to exercise", they may sock you on your jaw. That is because reality and truth and nature can be a harsh fact of life to face.

[yeezevee]

Makeen starts a new thread on Prophet of Islam

The pedophile claim

That is a very good point and a reasonable defense w.r.t Prophet's marriage with that 6 year old girl Aisha, Mr. Makeen., So in your definition., Who is Pedophile?? what is pedophilia?? ., We will come back to that subject accusation on Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) but Suppose I accuse Prophet of Islam being a Sex Obsessed Dirty Old Man., Ho would you respond to that accusation??

And I am glad you are reading FFI..

with best wishes
yeezevee

[ringmaster]

............If you go and tell a lazy very obese individual, "You are fat, you need to exercise", they may sock you on your jaw. That is because reality and truth and nature can be a harsh fact of life to face.

I suppose the same could be said if we tell a muslim that muhammad was a thief and murderer and that allah is satan. Those can be difficult realities for muslims to face.

[darth]

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

Did she bear a child? How do you know that nature had judged her as "ready"? She never did have any children, did she? Did the early consummation render her body incapable of doing so?

I'm sorry but reality and nature can appear harsh or odd but by the perfect laws of nature, he didn't do anything against it.

Medical science has shown us that a young girl is not ready physically for childbirth until 2-3 years after the onset of menarche. That is why teenage pregnancy can be so dangerous. That is why considering the average age of menarche as 13 most countries set minimum marriage age to be over 16 and UN recommends at least 18.

[Fernando]

A little off-topic but: even if a nine year old child survived childbirth undamaged, she's hardly likely to make an ideal mother. An uneducated breeding machine suitable for producing uneducated peasants or nomads maybe, but not best placed to produce contributing citizens of a modern civilisation. Time for Allah to revise his rules, perhaps?

[iffo]

@Makeen

You start a thread yourself, challenging others, get few jolting punches that make your head spin, and then run away like a mouse with tail between your legs.
That' s how strong your Islam is, all it needs is few blows and it crumbles down right in front of your eyes.

Everybody then laughs at you while you run away defeated , bringing more disgrace to your religion.

[SAM]

@Makeen

You start a thread yourself, challenging others, get few jolting punches that make your head spin, and then run away like a mouse with tail between your legs.
That' s how strong your Islam is, all it needs is few blows and it crumbles down right in front of your eyes.

Everybody then laughs at you while you run away defeated , bringing more disgrace to your religion.

Really..." needs a few blows"... the whole structure of Islam or Muslim would crumble down...

[Brendalee]

@Makeen

You start a thread yourself, challenging others, get few jolting punches that make your head spin, and then run away like a mouse with tail between your legs.
That' s how strong your Islam is, all it needs is few blows and it crumbles down right in front of your eyes.

Everybody then laughs at you while you run away defeated , bringing more disgrace to your religion.

Really..." needs a few blows"... the whole structure of Islam or Muslim would crumble down...

So you seem to think Iffo's criticism of Makeen is unfair? So, where then is Makeen if it is unfair? He seems at this point to have run away.

Whatever has happened in front of Makeen's eyes though, my own tell me that Iffo did not use the words "...the whole structure of Islam or Muslim" ..." which you deceitfully attempt to infer to him.

[SAM]

@Makeen

You start a thread yourself, challenging others, get few jolting punches that make your head spin, and then run away like a mouse with tail between your legs.
That' s how strong your Islam is, all it needs is few blows and it crumbles down right in front of your eyes.

Everybody then laughs at you while you run away defeated , bringing more disgrace to your religion.

Really..." needs a few blows"... the whole structure of Islam or Muslim would crumble down...

So you seem to think Iffo's criticism of Makeen is unfair? So, where then is Makeen if it is unfair? He seems at this point to have run away.

Whatever has happened in front of Makeen's eyes though, my own tell me that Iffo did not use the words "...the whole structure of Islam or Muslim" ..." which you deceitfully attempt to infer to him.

What exactly does a iffo's mean when he says...That' s how strong your Islam is, all it needs is few blows and it crumbles down right in front of your eyes....

[Brendalee]

Iffo hardly needs me to defend him as he is capable of defending himself. But...this does not mean you can take the liberty to misrepresent him and put words in his mouth which he has not said.

Makeen came here thinking his deen was so strong...he stayed but briefly to defend his faith. Do you think this makes Makeen's Islam strong in him? Iffo is right: A few challenges and Makeen's deen is so shaken he must flee away. Does it look differently to you?

[ringmaster]

What makes a crime?

Well I'm sure we can agree that for world peace the world should be at one with nature. In harmony with each other and the nature that surrounds us, the animals, the trees, the birds, the bees and everything else. And therefore anything that is against nature should be a crime.

If we were all at one with nature, the criminal would be the one who breaks the perfect established peace of a world in harmony.

So how does this relate to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

He honored her, pedophiles do not honor anyone.

..............

The problem with this diatribe is that verse 65-4 of the koran (which is supposed to be the eternal word of bitchboy allah?????) says that pedophilia is OK.

The koran was written to satisfy muhammad, which means he was a pedophile.

[SAM]

Iffo hardly needs me to defend him as he is capable of defending himself. But...this does not mean you can take the liberty to misrepresent him and put words in his mouth which he has not said.

Let's see what iffo says....

Makeen came here thinking his deen was so strong...he stayed but briefly to defend his faith. Do you think this makes Makeen's Islam strong in him? Iffo is right: A few challenges and Makeen's deen is so shaken he must flee away. Does it look differently to you?

what's on his mind... to me, iffo or some of you are still nothing more than a confused little mind who is just like a hundred thousand other retarded little mind.

[Brendalee]

SAM, you say:

Let's see what iffo says....

Now you quote this:

Makeen came here thinking his deen was so strong...he stayed but briefly to defend his faith. Do you think this makes Makeen's Islam strong in him? Iffo is right: A few challenges and Makeen's deen is so shaken he must flee away. Does it look differently to you?

WHAT? Iffo did not say that. I said that. Let me repeat: IFFO DID NOT SAY THAT. I DID.

what's on his mind... to me, iffo or some of you are still nothing more than a confused little mind who is just like a hundred thousand other retarded little mind.

if you want to know what's on IFFO's mind, ask him.

You show yourself clearly as someone incapable of following the most simple conversation even well enough to know who said what. Obviously YOU are the "confused little mind".

Now, are you able to defend the criminal act of grown men preying on female children for sex? Makeen was not able to.

[Sten]

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

But she didn't bear any children. Which suggests that there was either something wrong with her, or something wrong with Mohammad. It's very possible that Mohammad damaged her, leaving her unable to procreate.

[Fernando]

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

But she didn't bear any children. Which suggests that there was either something wrong with her, or something wrong with Mohammad. It's very possible that Mohammad damaged her, leaving her unable to procreate.

More likely that there was indeed something wrong with Mohammed. Admittedly his first wife had children, but after that, nada. Despite having 11 more wives to go at: it seems very unlikely that they were all infertile. His being infertile could in fact explain why he was so keen on having extra wives, like that other monarch Henry VIII who went through six in the hope of begetting a son. It could also explain marrying a child, in the hope she would "perform" better than an older woman.
Of course, a cynic might wonder whether he'd been infertile all along, because his wife had her children while he was just an itinerant agent, albeit toyboy husband, who was away a lot, not a "prophet" armed with "revelations". That would explain why Islam is so keen on locking up women, too.

[skynightblaze]

Well by marrying Aisha he did not do anything against nature. Your opinions and claims that he was a pedophile are not superior to the laws of nature. He married her and the marriage was not consummated until she was, according to nature, able to bear a child.

But she didn't bear any children. Which suggests that there was either something wrong with her, or something wrong with Mohammad. It's very possible that Mohammad damaged her, leaving her unable to procreate.

More likely that there was indeed something wrong with Mohammed. Admittedly his first wife had children, but after that, nada. Despite having 11 more wives to go at: it seems very unlikely that they were all infertile. His being infertile could in fact explain why he was so keen on having extra wives, like that other monarch Henry VIII who went through six in the hope of begetting a son. It could also explain marrying a child, in the hope she would "perform" better than an older woman.
Of course, a cynic might wonder whether he'd been infertile all along, because his wife had her children while he was just an itinerant agent, albeit toyboy husband, who was away a lot, not a "prophet" armed with "revelations". That would explain why Islam is so keen on locking up women, too.

My thoughts exactly. I myself had asked as to why Aisha did not bear kids if she was mature somewhere however later I realized I think the real answer is that MO became impotent after he had kids with Khadija. The premise i.e. Aisha did not have kids because she was not mature is not a sound premise. Mo also could not have children with his elderly wives after Khadija but that does not mean his elderly wives were not physically mature. I think it has to do with his impotency and of course this is not to say Aisha was mature. I think neither was Aisha physically mature nor was MO capable of conceiving. We can prove Aisha was not mature physically from islamic sources themselves.

[Fernando]

It's difficult to find, quickly, details of Mohammed's wives' ages, but I doubt they were all too old to conceive. I've seen one described as being about 30 and he stole his adopted son's wife. Not to mention the slave girls! (I'm sure a monarch wanting to found a dynasty would have quickly legitimised any children he'd had by them.)
As for his being impotent or infertile, it's difficult to guess. Impotence, though, would explain exaggerated claims of sexual prowess.

[skynightblaze]

It's difficult to find, quickly, details of Mohammed's wives' ages, but I doubt they were all too old to conceive. I've seen one described as being about 30 and he stole his adopted son's wife. Not to mention the slave girls! (I'm sure a monarch wanting to found a dynasty would have quickly legitimised any children he'd had by them.)
As for his being impotent or infertile, it's difficult to guess. Impotence, though, would explain exaggerated claims of sexual prowess.

A quick search on wikipedia shows that a good no of Muhammad's wives were capable of conceiving..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%2 ... t_Khuzayma

The link mentions each of the wife of Muhammad and wikipedia in turn has an article on each of the wife wherein we can get a clue about their ages.

Sawda was middle aged when married with Muhammad, Hafsa was 18, Zainab bin jasht (adopted sons wife) was 30. Umm Salama was 29 ,Zaynab bint Khuzayma was either in 20's of 40;s , safiya the jewish wife was 18.

So a decent no of wives were capable of conceiving but they never got pregnant but again another possibility comes to my mind is was there something like condoms those days?

Ali Sina also accuses Muhammad of impotency.

In late life Muhammad was affected by acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Acromegaly occurs after the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence, while TLE increases libido. This explains Muhammad’s sexual vagaries in his old age and why he had such an insatiable craving for sex. He would visit all his 9 wives in one night to touch and fondle them, without having intercourse. His impotence explains his insecurity, paranoia, and intense jealousy for his young wives. He ordered them to cover themselves, lest other men cast a lusting eye on them. Today, half a billion Muslim women veil themselves, because Muhammad was impotent. Muhammad’s illnesses explain a lot of mysteries of Islam.

http://alisina.org/understanding-muhammad/

[Ansar al-Zindiqi]

If Muhammad were alive today in California he would most certainly qualify for this place of residence . . . .

Welcome home Mr. Mo

[Idesigner]

Chances are Mohemmed was not totally impotent but he could have been sterile after age 40 or when he went to Medina.Is'nt that a pity? Here guy had some forty women waiting to get laid but cant make anyone pregnant.

Only Khadija gave him two daughters I guess. Then there was a male child from that Egyptian copt princess at late age. Ofcourse that paternity was in question as Abu Bakri almost killed a house slave of Mohemmed when he thought he was screwing Maria the Copt. Mo had many young wives in Medina. He really enjoyed sex but cant make any woman pregnant. Or he had problem with erection and cant find true Viagara. These kind of people engage in lots of non penetration kind of sex to compensate impotency. Or he was not impotent but all his physical disease at later age might have made him sterile with very low sperm count.Sometime too much sexual activity reduces sperm count.

On other hand many pedophiles are impotent guys. Or their impotency and desparation causes them to become pedophile. With children they can hide their impotency and feel powerful. Here they satisfy themselves with touching, exposing, oral sex, jerking etc. Mo was interested in all of them. Ask Ayesha and her comment about cleaning up her Ijar.

Other example is that of Charles Manson. He had harem of some 30 young, white, Californian, sexually desirable, hippy females ranging in age between 19-30. He fathered only one child. It all depends about how fertile is the man.