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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby uncung » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:24 pm

franky honey, you know nothing baout our prophet muhammad, number of miracles were bestowed upon and performed by Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to establish the proof of his prophethood. The greatest miracle bestowed upon him was the revelation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is miraculous in a number of aspects: Its linguistic perfection and inimitability, its validation by recent historical, archaeological, and scientific discoveries, its prophecies and so on. Unlike the miracles of other prophets before him, the miracle of the Qur'an is eternal. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also provided us with a number of true prophecies.

his miracles:

Splitting of the Moon

Food Multiplication

Water Multiplication

Supplication for Rain

Lights to guide Companions

Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree

Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals

The explusion of a liar's corpse by the Earth

The Speech of the Wolf

The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavens
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby frankie » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:07 pm

uncung wrote:my dear, christians will not believe if you quote Ayahs of Quran because they call it written by Mohammad.

If some Christians is one of the regular enemy of Islam then only give the following reference to read to a genuine non-Muslim who seeks the truth about our beloved Prophet SAW.

"I will raise a Prophet from among their (Jews) brethren" (Deuteronomy 18:18) The Jews are brethren to the Arabs-Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael.

He will be "like unto thee (Moses)" (Deuteronomy 18:18) Muhammad has much more in common with Moses than Jesus does. Christians only take this to be Jesus because he was a Jew, and that's all.

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." (Isaiah 29:12)
Sound familiar? How about the first revelation Muhammad received when Gabriel told him to "Read! In the name of thy Lord!"-"I am not learned!" Muhammad replied.

"That whosoever will not hearken unto my words, which he shall speak in my name" (Deuteronomy 18:19). Speak in my name? "Bismillah!"-in the name of Allah-before every surah (except one) in the Quran.

"I (jesus) tell you (Jews), that the kingdom of God will be taken from you, and given to a people who will produce its proper fruits" (Matthew 21:43) Self-explanatory.

"But when he may come, the spirit of truth ["spirit" and "prophet" are used synonymously in the Bible so it does not refer to the "Holy Ghost"], he will lead you into all the truth; for he will not speak from himself; he will speak whatever he may hear; (John 16:13). Again, we know Muhammad did not speak from himself when he was receiving revelation.

And so on and so forth.

"Lakota- When Jesus spoke of the Spirit, he was talking about the Holy Spirit!"-No he wasn't. learn how to read your own Bible properly idolater. (John 4:1) uses "spirit" and "prophet" synonymously.


uncung & co:
You are happy to quote from Biblical sources when it suits your purpose,presumably then the quotes you mention have not been"corrupted",as Islamic scholars like to say?

Deuteronomy 18;19 is nothing to do with Mohammed,but Jesus.Jesus,is the Messiah,and this is what O.T. scripture refers to numerous times,culminating in the miraculous birth of Jesus, as written in th N.T.A true prophet of Yahweh,puts into action Yahwehs commands, in the spirit of good, not evil purposes in the form of miracles.Although the Arabs are from the line of Ishmael,they are not designated from Hebrew lineage,they may be called bretheren in humanity,but they are not bretheren in faith.

The spirit that gave Mohammed the Quran was not from the same Biblical spiritual source.It is said to be Gabriel,but this cannot be the case,for several reasons.All Biblical angels give their messages to humans in a peaceful and unharmful way.Their first words are "do not be afraid",and the person is not left feeling terrified and harmed in any way. Unlike Mohamamed who was left feeling he had been vistied by demons,and ran to Khadijah for reassurance,and comfort.This same angel Gabriel, announced to Mary,by first saying do not be afraid,that she would give birth to Jesus,and He will be called The Son of the Most High God,something which Muslims call shirk,which leads onto another question,why should Jesus be designated as one of Islams prophets,when he is said to be Gods Son?

The entire messages spoken as parables from Jesus, were to do with Gods love for mankind and how mankind responds to this love.
He called his followers to fight a spiritual battle between the forces of good and evil,unlike Mohammed who phyisically fought and killed in Allahs cause, and by his example expects his followers to do the same.
These are two diametrically opposing actions in the name of one God.Therefore,given all the overwhelming evidence in the Quran,which also calls for fighting and killing,the Bible God is not the same as the Islamic god.

Jesus said "false prophets will be known by their fruits."

What are the fruits of Islam? Your own intelligence should provide the answer,given that the Muslim world is in absolute chaos and turmoil.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby sum » Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:48 pm

Hello uncung

Your quote =
his miracles:

Splitting of the Moon

Food Multiplication

Water Multiplication

Supplication for Rain

Lights to guide Companions

Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree

Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals

The explusion of a liar's corpse by the Earth

The Speech of the Wolf

The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavensuncung


Do you truly and genuinely believe that the list that you posted above is accurate and true?

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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby yeezevee » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:52 pm

uncung wrote:franky honey, you know nothing baout our prophet muhammad, number of miracles were bestowed upon and performed by Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to establish the proof of his prophethood. The greatest miracle bestowed upon him was the revelation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is miraculous in a number of aspects: Its linguistic perfection and inimitability, its validation by recent historical, archaeological, and scientific discoveries, its prophecies and so on. Unlike the miracles of other prophets before him, the miracle of the Qur'an is eternal. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also provided us with a number of true prophecies.
his miracles:

Splitting of the Moon

Food Multiplication

Water Multiplication


Supplication for Rain

Lights to guide Companions

Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree

Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals

The explusion of a liar's corpse by the Earth

The Speech of the Wolf

The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavens
Amazing miracles "uncung". we badly need that Food Multiplication & Water Multiplication ., In fact the way Islamic Ummah is growing we need exponential growth of water and food to feed the Ummah..., But now I have strong doubt whether you are a Muslim OR NOT...., Any ways Let me add more Amazing thing of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) from written by Ahmad Rahnamaei(PBUH)

The Story of the Splitting of the Prophet’s chest
In several sources from both Sunni and Shi'i traditions, one may find the story of the splitting of the Prophet's chest. although the original narrative comes from Sunni tradition, the story is narrated in some Shi'i books too. Different attitudes are expressed by biographers towards this extraordinary anecdote. On the whole, most Sunni scholarship has agreed upon the authenticity of the story, while to the contrary, most Shi'i scholarship has rejected it.

According to Ibn Ishaq, quoting Halima, the story went like this: Some months after our return, he and his brother were with our lambs behind the tents when his brother came running and said to us, 'Two men clothed in white have seized that Qurayshi brother of mine and thrown him down and opened up his belly, and are stirring it up.' We ran towards him and found him standing up with a livid face. We took hold of him and asked him what the matter was. He said, 'Two men in white raiment came and threw me down and opened up my belly and searched therein for I know not what.' So we took him back to our tent.

This incident was what prompted his foster-mother to return him to his mother. Ibn Ishaq then relates another hadith on the authority of a learned person whom he thinks was khalid b. Ma'dan. This person, on the authority of some of the Apostle's companions, told Ibn Ishaq that the Prophet said: … I was suckled among the B. Sa cd b. Bakr, and while I was with a brother of mine behind our tents shepherding the lambs, two men in white raiment came to me with a gold basin full of snow. Then they seized me and opened up my belly, extracted my heart and split it; then they extracted a black drop from it and threw it away; then they washed my heart and my belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them.

In Sahih of Muslim, the story is narrated through a chain on the authority of Anas b. Malik. According to the hadith of Anas, the extracted black drop was the portion of Satan in the Prophet's heart. At the end of this narrative, Anas mentions that he himself used to see the mark of that splitting on the chest of the prophet.
read more at that link from that Islamic Scholar
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby Ram » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:21 pm

HomerJay wrote:
Sound familiar? How about the first revelation Muhammad received when Gabriel told him to "Read! In the name of thy Lord!"-"I am not learned!" Muhammad replied.

That's amazing. You know, my nephew said the same thing when I told him to read the TV listings for the time of the boxing match, he said "I am not learned!" HE MUST BE A PROPHET!

I am Ram, the Eternal Prophet, I was not born so I shall not die. Muhammad used to clean latrines in the homes of True Believers, now his people are blowing themselves up.

I agree with yeezevee, Muhammad was just a common criminal. Some one wrote his life story, the Quran. That was the 1st book written in Arabia, so naturally it became very popular - no book was written in Arabic language for hundreds of years after that.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby Ram » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:24 pm

uncung wrote:franky honey, you know nothing baout our prophet muhammad, number of miracles were bestowed upon and performed by Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to establish the proof of his prophethood. The greatest miracle bestowed upon him was the revelation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is miraculous in a number of aspects: Its linguistic perfection and inimitability, its validation by recent historical, archaeological, and scientific discoveries, its prophecies and so on. Unlike the miracles of other prophets before him, the miracle of the Qur'an is eternal. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) also provided us with a number of true prophecies.

his miracles:

Splitting of the Moon

Food Multiplication

Water Multiplication

Supplication for Rain

Lights to guide Companions

Crying of the stem of the Date-palm Tree

Glorification of Allah by the Prophet's meals

The explusion of a liar's corpse by the Earth

The Speech of the Wolf

The Prophet's Night Journey to Jerusalem and Ascent to the Heavens

uncung, this crap must be true because nobody can write that kind of sh!t.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby SAM » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:20 am

frankie wrote:
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Please explain how Mohammaed furthered the cause of Islam,and how he expects his followers to do the same.


frankie

In my personal opinion.... Muslims believe that Muhammad was a Messenger of God and his divine message (God's message) for all mankind… and he imparts his message for all ages, all times, and all societies.

It’s the divine message (God’s message), it was not Muhammad personal message. The divine message was meant to unite for the whole of humanity in one brotherhood...(similarity among Christianity, Judaism and other teaching of religions).

Let me explain a little bit about the divine message. The divine message has always been sent through those fitly endowed. For instance when wealth was esteemed the message was delivered by King Solomon; when beauty was worshipped, Joseph, the most handsome, gave the message; when music was regarded as celestial David gave his message in song. When there was curiosity about miracles Moses brought his message. When sacrifice was highly esteemed Abraham gave the message. When heredity was recognized, Christ gave his message as the Son of Mary. When democracy was necessary, Muhammad gave his message as the Servant of God, one like all and among all. This put an end to the necessity for more prophets, because of the democratic nature of his proclamation and message. He proclaimed la ilaha illa-llah. Shahadah (Testimony of Faith) one of the first pillar of Islam. La ilaha illa-llah “There is no God except Allah” or "There is none worthy of worship except Allah." That was the final initiation, from which dated the blooming of Muhammad's prophetic message. For the true Muslims they have never called the message given by the Muhammad as his personal message. He always speaks of kalam-ullah, which means the Word of God. And that is why the Muslims also never call their Islamic religion 'Muhammadanism or Muhammadan religion,' but they call it Islam.

I'd rather talk about Muhammad's prophetic message as the Servant of God…”the whole of humanity in one brotherhood” than to talk about that La ilaha illa-llah.

The whole of humanity in one brotherhood do not belong to those particular religions or certain religions. For those who follow a particular principle which was given to them, are brothers. It must be hard and unloving to those who do not belong to it.. for example these terrorist acts were done by freedom-hating radical Islamic Muslim extremists and other extremist networks.

Peace be unto you the clearest meanings of brotherhood, the meaning of "assalamu alaikum" is the Islamic greeting which literally means “peace be upon you”.

The same thing Jesus always said, Peace be unto you or Peace be with you. (John 20:21)

1400 years ago there already existed the tendency of forming a human brotherhood by the teachings of Muhammad that tended to form a universal brotherhood. The various families amongst the Arabs began to live together and began to eat together, to shake hands, and worship together in the same house of God. The first and most important motive was uniting mankind in brotherhood and the second was the uplifting of the soul. It is the lesson of love is first learned by human love. The God’s message was meant to unite for the whole of humanity in one brotherhood.Therefore the highest ideal of brotherhood which spiritual realization can teach. I believe most of Muslims or probably they did not understand the truth behind it…

This is how Muhammad expects his followers to do the same..

Pls note this is regarding my personal understanding of Islam teachings.

It would be helpful also if you could give an answer to my claims about the Trinity,and what the miracle birth of Jesus means to Muslims?

You appear to take lightly the dealing with aposates,in the Islamic faith.Please explain then, what is the penalty for leaving Islam?

The Islamic extremists you mention are the true Muslims,fighting in Allahs cause, as set down by the example of their prophet.The Muslims that do not put Mohammed's actions into practice,are not following Mohammeds example correctly,probably because they have never read this haddith in Bukhari,and probably because they have just relied upon their Imams ,being "economical with the truth".

Either way the words that are read,in Islamic scripture have been taken as they are written.If they should not to be taken as written,then it has not been made clear enough,either by Allah or by Mohammed.

You also need to explain the fighting verses in the Quran,allegedly from Allah commanding Muslims to fight unbelievers,even though they might not like it,2:216,and again in 9:29 These commands,are given to be the literal words from Allah to Muslims, for all times and places remember,not just an historical record.
And right now, I am busy in my job and I have limited time available and are not able to spend a lot of time on the FFI forum. I'll respond to you as soon as I get some free time... Be patient with yourself..
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby MesMorial » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:35 am

@ SAM;

You can forget answering 2:216 and 9:29; punishment for apostasy is less covered.

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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby marduk » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:01 pm

When democracy was necessary, Muhammad gave his message as the Servant of God, one like all and among all. This put an end to the necessity for more prophets, because of the democratic nature of his proclamation and message


You have the gall to use the words "democracy" and "Muhammad" in the same sentence? How is totalitarianism the same as democracy? Here's Muhammad's form of democracy; "do whatever I tell you or I'll have my obedient lackeys kill you, then after I'm gone do whatever the hereditary leader tells you. See how democratic Islam is? You have a choice. Death just happens to be what results if you choose not to do whatever I say, that's all."
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby yeezevee » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:17 pm

Ram wrote:
Spoiler! :
HomerJay wrote:
Sound familiar? How about the first revelation Muhammad received when Gabriel told him to "Read! In the name of thy Lord!"-"I am not learned!" Muhammad replied.

That's amazing. You know, my nephew said the same thing when I told him to read the TV listings for the time of the boxing match, he said "I am not learned!" HE MUST BE A PROPHET!

I am Ram, the Eternal Prophet, I was not born so I shall not die. Muhammad used to clean latrines in the homes of True Believers, now his people are blowing themselves up.


I agree with yeezevee, Muhammad was just a common criminal.
To blindly believethose highlighted words, without any inquiry is a problem from me Mr. Ram. As you see in this brief story of Muhammad's life., there is hardly any or NO criminal activities by Muhammad until his first of Khadija was alive. ., Quran doesn't tell(or tells very little) on his life., It is surprising to note His wife Khadija being 1st person to accept him as Prophet of Allah., her name was not mentioned in Quran but you have names like Zaid, Zainab Abu Lahab in Quran. That troubles me. It is as if there were Multiple Muhammads or multiple Characters/personalities of Muhammad was put together by the early Islamic writers to write books like Quran/Hadith and sunnah

Some one wrote his life story, the Quran. That was the 1st book written in Arabia, so naturally it became very popular - no book was written in Arabic language for hundreds of years after that.
No.. no.,

Again Quran doesn't tell Muhammad's life story., Neither it is a first book in Arabic and I think plenty of Manuscripts were written in Arabic with in the first 200 years after the death of Muhammad. It is possible many of them were burned by these early Muslim Hoards..
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby marduk » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:36 pm

There was plenty of written poetry before Muhammad. Where do you think he got the idea to make the Quran a poetry book? It's nothing more than the Hanifiya religion with the word Hanifiya changed to Islam. That's literally the only difference except for Hannifia says NOT to fight while Islam says TO fight, and the Quran says that Muhammad is Allah's prophet. Hanifiya never said that or predicted him in any way. Umayya bin al-Salt wrote this sura... I mean Hanifiya poem. Muhammad later stole some of his poems and used them in the Quran. As you can see from the Quran, Muhammad totally subverted Hanifiya for his own power-hungry reasons, changing it from a peaceful religion to a religion of war and death. How did Allah suddenly change from "don't fight" to "fight all those who deny Allah and his Apostle"? When did prophets ever get the right to be believed under penalty of death? Why didn't Allah do that for Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the rest? Why did Muhammad get honored above all other prophets to be raised to the level of Allah, where you have to believe everything they say or die? How did he get to be Allah's equal partner? How did he have the gall to then tell everybody that Allah can't have any partners when he had clearly made himself out to be just that? This poem says that a prophet already was sent to them, and it apparently wasn't Muhammad. Umayya actually believed himself to be the Prophet.

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more evidence that Islam is a perverted form of Hanifiya. Does it say that Abraham was a Muslim?

Quran 16:123 says, “We revealed to you, Muhammad, that you are to follow the faith of Abraham, who was one of the hanifs.” Quran 12:38 says, “I have followed the faith of my ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and we would never attribute any partners to Allah.” Quran 6: 161 says, “My Lord has guided me in a way that is straight, the path of Abraham the hanif.” Quran 3: 95 says, “Follow the religion of Abraham the hanif, who was not one of the idolaters.” Quran 2:135 says, “They tell you to become Jews or Christians if you want to be rightly guided. Tell them you would rather follow the religion of Abraham the hanif.” Note that none of these verses even mention Islam. It was only in Quran 22:78 (which is a later Medinan surah) that they were called Muslims. That verse says, “Strive for Allah…he has chosen you and has given you the faith of your father Abraham, who called you Muslims.” Now Muhammad says that Abraham and those with him were Muslim.

Also;

Dr. Jawad Ali writes that the poet Umayya bin Abu Salt came to Muhammad in Medina and asked what he had brought to them. Muhammad replied that he had come with the hanafiya, the religion of Abraham.

And here we see that Umayya was actually the Prophet of Allah, not Muhammad;

Dr. Jawad Ali writes that Umayya was the first person to introduce his writings with the expression “In your name, who is their Allah.” Muhammad began to use this expression, and then exchanged it for the expression “In the name of Allah the Merciful, the Compassionate One” (which opens all but one of the chapters of the Quran). Umayya also recounted a story of angels appearing and opening his chest in preparation for prophethood, which was also adopted by Muhammad. Ibn Kathir recounts in his book “The Beginning and the End” stories that Umayya met with priests who saw on him physical marks of prophethood, and that enchanting beings descended on him and opened up his heart to cleanse and purify it. Muhammad took these stories that Umayya wrote, and claimed they happened to him. Umayya Ibn Abu Salt was a noteworthy and respected person among the Arabs. If Muhammad could claim to have the same experiences he did, it would be to his advantage. The earliest authoritative biographies of Muhammad including Ibn Ishaq’s “The Life of Muhammad” claim that all these events happened to Muhammad.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby Ozes » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:44 pm

If Hitler would have split the moon Muslims would follow him (more then now).
Besides the fact that he never had any witnesses to his miracles, they are irrelevant. Why?

Page 21, still no answers on the title, while i can name countless bad acts in the name of Muhammed.
~A God of mercy
Would never... inform His people war is simply a means of testing ones faith
Surah's:3:140, 3:142,3:166, 3:167, 9:16, 47:4

~.. shame compassion with the victims
Surah's:3:154, 8:17

~.. mock pacifism :
Surah's: 3:167, 47:20

~..disavow peaceful solutions:
Surah:3:156
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby SAM » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:56 pm

MesMorial wrote:@ SAM;

You can forget answering 2:216 and 9:29; punishment for apostasy is less covered.

Cheers.

Hi Mes,

These verse were not punishment for apostacy. There are punishment and instant death to Apostates  can be found in the Bible's Old and New Testaments text.



Quran 2:216

Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

Quran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby frankie » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:27 pm

Sam:

"And right now, I am busy in my job and I have limited time available and are not able to spend a lot of time on the FFI forum. I'll respond to you as soon as I get some free time... Be patient with yourself.."
Fair enough.

However, I cannot let it pass that you claim the Islamic greeting "Peace be upon you" qualifies as the same meaning from Jesus.Islamic "peace" is connected ONLY to the concept within Sharia Law,or that is, Allahs rules and regulations,plus the example of his prophet Mohammed.The peace Jesus talks of is" His own peace,not given as the world does",John15:27.28.Jesus followed His fathers rules and regulations (Yahweh)based on the unconditional love between God and neighbour.The "love"Allah gives, is only to those who believe in him and his messenger Mohammed,anyone else has to be fought against,and subjugated to be brought "in line".

Mohammed may have united Arab tribes,but he did so by using the only god he knew anything about,his Al ilah, Hubal,the chief,or the greatest moon god of the Kaaba.He therefore got rid of all the 360 idols,execpt one,the black stone,which by the way is still venerated today,and used his pagan god to unite the fractered tribes,deviously making it appear that this god was one and the same as the existing Christian and Jewish deity.This was rejected,by both Jews and Christians,causing much hostility and loss of life.

However,I,and others await your return.
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby uncung » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:01 pm

"Know that the life of the world is only play, and idle talk, and pageantry, and boasting among you, and rivalry in respect of wealth and children; as the likeness of vegetation after rain, whereof the growth is pleasing to the husbandman, but afterward it drieth up and thou seest it turning yellow, then it becometh straw. And in the Hereafter there is grievous punishment, and (also) forgiveness from Allah and His good pleasure, whereas the life of the world is but matter of illusion."
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby marduk » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:52 pm

What's so miraculous about writing a book in imitation of the Prophet Umayya? You just read his poetry and write similar things, or actually just plagiarize his poems outright, as Muhammad is known to have done. So since the Quran copies the words of Umayya, does that not mean that Umayya was the Prophet of Allah? Or did Umayya simply foretell what was to be written in the Quran later by Allah himself? Either way, the only possible conclusion is that Umayya was the true Prophet of Allah. So why should we bother with the imitator Muhammad when we have the REAL prophetic works of Umayya like these;

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I like Umayya's religion a lot more than Muhammad's. Umayya is nice and doesn't like fighting. Muhammad is evil and likes killing and sex. Not only would I not follow such a man, I would probably beat the hell out of him if I ever met him, just for being a maggot. In fact, I'd probably just kill him on the spot and save a lot of innocent lives. Even if his demented lackeys then killed me I would consider it a worthy sacrifice, my single life to save millions of innocents. Allah would reward me greatly for taking Muhammad out. Whenever you encounter a psychopath who you know has killed and will kill again if you don't stop him, you should do exactly that. Only one way to ensure that he won't kill again. You know what must be done. Sadly, people in Muhammad's day were gutless, except the Jewess who poisoned him. Too bad she didn't just stab him, would have been more certain to accomplish the job. Yes, I know it sounds bad, but "sometimes what you don't like may be good for you" (source, Muhammad).
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby MesMorial » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:06 am

SAM wrote:
MesMorial wrote:@ SAM;

You can forget answering 2:216 and 9:29; punishment for apostasy is less covered.

Cheers.

Hi Mes,

These verse were not punishment for apostacy. There are punishment and instant death to Apostates  can be found in the Bible's Old and New Testaments text.



Quran 2:216

Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

Quran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.


Yes I am quite aware of that. I was alluding to the fact that I myself have replied to such questions about those verses, thus you need only worry about the penalty for apostasy.

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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby Intelligent lad » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:39 am

uncung wrote:tell me what religion should we follow.
you cant mention it.LOL
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby uncung » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:32 pm

Once a blind man came into the house of Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam). The Prophet told Ummul Mumineen Aisha (radi Allahu anha) to go behind a curtain. She replied, “O Prophet of Allah, he is blind. How can he see us?” The Prophet replied: “He may be blind, but you are not blind.” [Ahmad]
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Re: are there good things about Muhammad?

Postby sum » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:54 pm

Hello uncung

Your quote -
Once a blind man came into the house of Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam). The Prophet told Ummul Mumineen Aisha (radi Allahu anha) to go behind a curtain. She replied, “O Prophet of Allah, he is blind. How can he see us?” The Prophet replied: “He may be blind, but you are not blind.” [Ahmad]

What on earth is unacceptable about Aisha seeing a blind man? How much more banal can you get?

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