Who was Haman

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Stories about Jesus are men made fairy tales
story of Jesus in GEnesis? Paedophile Mohammed speaking?
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Centaur wrote:
Stories about Jesus are men made fairy tales
story of Jesus in GEnesis? Paedophile Mohammed speaking?
Regardless of GEnesis right or wrong? what is the significance of a Paedophile follower pointing finger at it? especialy when the master Paedophile endorses it?
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The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:What happens when a bird spread out, expand or diffuse its wings? Does it become flat? Or rather wider and ample?
Great, so relate this example to the earth. How did the earth change like a bird spreading it's wings? You won't answer that. The truth of the matter is that you are trying to grab any definition of spread that leads one away from what the Quran was really talking about. It's very dishonest....
What's dishonest here is your attempt to squeeze out 'flatness' from of the Koranic meanings, none of them referring to anything flat.
Normally, when a singular physical object gets spread out, it becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out. You use alternate definitions, but refuse to relate them to a singular physical object like the earth is. It's that simple. Why would you think you could pull the veil over everybody's eyes?
The Cat wrote: Not so in ALL the related verses: 2.22; 13.3; 15.19; 29.56; 40.64; 43.10; 50.7; 51.48; 55.10; 71.19; 78.6; 79.30-32; 88.20.

How can 'spread out' indicates flatness while the earth includes raging seas, hills, abyssal valleys and ever-snowy mountains?
Because they all came after the earth was spread out according to the Quran. I can't believe you're still so stubborn to even bother to attempt this.

The Cat wrote: 55.10 (Shakir)
And the earth, He has set it for living creatures;
55:10 says nothing about spreading out the earth so you can't reference this.
The Cat wrote: 79.30 (Shakir)
And the earth, He expanded it after that.
29. And He made dark its night and brought out its light.
30. And the earth, He expanded it after that.

He expanded the earth after he brought light. So the earth was not expanded at first. That's right, it was a ball like the sun and moon and Allah expanded and stretched it out and therefore flattened it out so that people could live on it. Your point does nothing to further your stupid and desperate attempt.
The Cat wrote: 88.20 (Shakir)
And the earth, how it is made a vast expanse?

In MbL's logic vast expanse, set for living creatures, expanded resting-place mean... flatness!
No, spread out means flatness as referenced in the verses you are not quoting and we were talking about. And what happens when you take a singular, physical object and make it into a vast expanse? Does matter simply disappear or does it become more flat as it becomes more stretched out and vast?? Even a bird's wings become flatter as they are stretched out rather than folded in, so even that stupid attempt didn't work.
The Cat wrote: Out of luck he goes on to define spreading: ''Spreading a single physical object ultimately entails
making it more flat to the extent it is spread out.
'' But he's out of sophistry this time again...
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:--The college of Minnesota has spread out into a dozen affiliations.
--This manuscript has spreaded out into a million selling books.
--The earth spread itself out in many forms and colors.
--The scene spread out magic atmospheres from the lighting.
--The landscape spread its magnificence.
--Great, so relate this specifically to the earth. Match it up.
--That is not a singular physical object, it refers to multiple copies.
--How did the earth spread itself out? You have two aspects here. First is spreading out, then second is many forms and colors.
--That does not relate to a singular physical object like the earth.
--That does not relate to a singular physical object like the earth. Landscape refers to what someone sees, not an object itself.
I've answered your silly assertion that:
''Spreading a single physical object ultimately entails making it more flat to the extent it is spread out.''

A single physical object maybe the earth, the sun or a star, as well as a manuscript, a scene, a landscape, a pencil, etc.
Just like the tectonic plates spread out to form nowadays continents. Each one of them spreading from former Pangaea.

Sorry but your ultimate attempt falls flat too!
But you won't tell the rest of the class how your silly diversions and alternate meanings relate specifically to the earth, and even when you attempt, the attempts are inherently flawed and involve trickery and smoke and mirrors in hopes that people are stupid enough to not see this. You dilute the specific request of how this relates to the earth, which is what the Quran is actually talking about, to include the sun, stars, a manuscript, a pencil or whatever other silly diversion you can attempt. It's ridiculous, and I will not cease to point this fact out. You're a pretty stupid fellow to think for even one second you could possibly get away with such evasive and deceptive nonsense.
The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Skate as much as you want, you face the wall of Lane's Lexicon, an unmatched dictionary about Classical Arabic.
Edward Lane's Lexicon, on Daha...
--He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended
--He (God) made the earth wide, or ample;
--also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide...

All these terms must be understood altogether: Spread out/forth (a movement); expanded/wide; extended/ample
Just like an ostrich expand/extent the nest so to be comfortable/hospitable to shelter a whole community of eggs.
This is another repeat of what has already been answered. I answered it and asked you the appropriate questions regarding this and you have refused to answer them only to repeat the same point again....
Please link us to where this have been properly refuted or stand corrected.
Therein you've admitted that: ''Wide only refers to size, not shape''.

What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'shape'.
Period. Get it??

I enjoy your sophist skating, especially when you're down flat on your nose.
Why didn't you quote the response to this that I have already given? You really are a dishonest piece of sh!t aren't you. I can't stand people like that. Which makes it all the more enjoyable to show everyone here what you really are. i don't care about your stupid frustration which causes you to behave this way and try these stupid shallow ploys. You deserve it and and none of your ploys are going to work. How long is it going to take you to get over that fact?? How long are we all supposed to watch this disgusting evasiveness and pathetic tap dance?? Don't you have the slightest bit of honor??
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iffo wrote: Is this the only problem you see in Genises? That's an under statement. Its wrong from left to right, its a pile of sh!t.
Well then just specifically state the problems item by item, right??
iffo wrote: You been as usual hypocrite.
Explain exactly why. But you can't and you never do. Quit wasting everyone's time.
iffo wrote: Well luckily we caught Genesis1 because it has science in it, and it got caught. What about other stories are wrong as well.
Which ones?? and even if you think they are faulty, see the explanation for the Bible that I have already given.
iffo wrote: What about if someone argues all the stories are bogus and men made crap just like Genises ......... Stories about Jesus are men made fairy tales
Great, show why they are rather than merely stating the claim. A claim is meaningless unless you specifically explain why it is true.
iffo wrote: .....So then how can you base a religion on the books which are bogus and wrong.
Which books are wrong and which are right?
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The Cat wrote: How about Ibn Kathir (and Ibn Abbas) upon 91.6?
http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ib ... 58381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mujahid said, "Tahaha means He spread it out.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "This means what He created in it.''


http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=68" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(And it is He Who spread out the earth) made it spacious in length and width.}

It's not referring to what he created IN it, it's referring to the earth itself.

The Cat wrote: Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "Tahaha means that He proportioned it.'' Mujahid, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak,
As-Suddi, Ath-Thawri, Abu Salih and Ibn Zayd all said that (Tahaha) means, He spread it out. Allah then says, (By Nafs, and
Ma Sawwaha (Who apportioned it).) meaning, He created it sound and well-proportioned upon the correct nature (Al-Fitrah).
Right, he "proportioned" it by spreading it out to make ample flat space for mankind to live on it because mankind can't live on round object because the only available space for man to live on would have been the very tip top of the earth (or so it was thought back then). It's quite simple and obvious.

(19. And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse.) (20. That you may go about therein in broad roads.)

This is so pathetic.
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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote: Is this the only problem you see in Genises? That's an under statement. Its wrong from left to right, its a pile of sh!t.
Well then just specifically state the problems item by item, right??
iffo wrote: You been as usual hypocrite.
Explain exactly why. But you can't and you never do. Quit wasting everyone's time.
iffo wrote: Well luckily we caught Genesis1 because it has science in it, and it got caught. What about other stories are wrong as well.
Which ones?? and even if you think they are faulty, see the explanation for the Bible that I have already given.
iffo wrote: What about if someone argues all the stories are bogus and men made crap just like Genises ......... Stories about Jesus are men made fairy tales
Great, show why they are rather than merely stating the claim. A claim is meaningless unless you specifically explain why it is true.
iffo wrote: .....So then how can you base a religion on the books which are bogus and wrong.
Which books are wrong and which are right?
Don't try to act dumb and waste. I already told you Genesis1 exposed that people been writing bible with whatever nonsense they could think off. That shows people been adding their own nonsense in bible and we can not tell what is true and what is false. How can you call a book holy which you can not trust and you don't know which story is true and which is garbage written by human just like Genesis1......... So the bible that we have is nothing but garbage.

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iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote: Is this the only problem you see in Genises? That's an under statement. Its wrong from left to right, its a pile of sh!t.
Well then just specifically state the problems item by item, right??
iffo wrote: You been as usual hypocrite.
Explain exactly why. But you can't and you never do. Quit wasting everyone's time.
iffo wrote: Well luckily we caught Genesis1 because it has science in it, and it got caught. What about other stories are wrong as well.
Which ones?? and even if you think they are faulty, see the explanation for the Bible that I have already given.
iffo wrote: What about if someone argues all the stories are bogus and men made crap just like Genises ......... Stories about Jesus are men made fairy tales
Great, show why they are rather than merely stating the claim. A claim is meaningless unless you specifically explain why it is true.
iffo wrote: .....So then how can you base a religion on the books which are bogus and wrong.
Which books are wrong and which are right?
Don't try to act dumb and waste. I already told you Genesis1 exposed that people been writing bible with whatever nonsense they could think off.
So IF true, then one can say that the people who decided to include Genesis in the Bible were wrong, and the other books remain valid. Get it? Get it? I already explained this to you. Frustrated dummy.
iffo wrote: That shows people been adding their own nonsense in bible and we can not tell what is true and what is false.
People decided to include books that perhaps shouldn't have been included, but that doesn't invalidate the ones that SHOULD be included. But in the case of the Quran, one error, just one, and the entire thing collapses, and there are many errors and you even know this which is why you now want to focus on the Bible.

iffo wrote: How can you call a book holy which you can not trust
I can't always trust the decision of which books should be included and which shouldn't. Now, that said, with so many errors in the Quran, how can you trust ANY of it since it's one book made by one man over a mere 23 years?
iffo wrote: and you don't know which story is true and which is garbage written by human just like Genesis1......... So the bible that we have is nothing but garbage.
We simply say that perhaps some books shouldn't have been included. But when the Quran makes the claim of being the letter for letter dictation of God and is purposefully written in first person form rather than in the form of someone narrating a story like the Bible, then one error, just one, and the whole thing instantaneously becomes a lie. And you even know this is true and have no sufficient answers for the multiple errors contained within it, so out of frustration, you try to bring the Bible down along with the Quran. As they say, misery loves company.
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MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote: What's dishonest here is your attempt to squeeze out 'flatness' from of the Koranic meanings, none of them referring to anything flat.
Not so in ALL the related verses: 2.22; 13.3; 15.19; 29.56; 40.64; 43.10; 50.7; 51.48; 55.10; 71.19; 78.6; 79.30-32; 88.20.

How can 'spread out' indicates flatness while the earth includes raging seas, hills, abyssal valleys and ever-snowy mountains?
Normally, when a singular physical object gets spread out, it becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out. You use alternate definitions, but refuse to relate them to a singular physical object like the earth is.
So when the tectonic plates spreaded out from Pangaea, they became more flat? Or is it that they EXTENDED, Your Sophistry? :roflmao:
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:55.10 (Shakir)
And the earth, He has set it for living creatures;

79.30 (Shakir)
And the earth, He expanded it after that.

88.20 (Shakir)
And the earth, how it is made a vast expanse?
55:10 says nothing about spreading out the earth so you can't reference this.

He expanded the earth after he brought light. So the earth was not expanded at first. That's right, it was a ball like the sun and moon and Allah expanded and stretched it out and therefore flattened it out so that people could live on it.

No, spread out means flatness as referenced in the verses you are not quoting and we were talking about. And what happens when you take a singular, physical object and make it into a vast expanse? Does matter simply disappear or does it become more flat as it becomes more stretched out and vast??
Which verses? I've named them all! Get them if you can... (but you won't).
And only in your shrinked interpretation, way from the Koran, does it mean flat instead of wide (as spacious).

Then a physical object, when spread out like the continents from former Pangaea never meant that they became flat.
Even our universe, as a singular physical object, is actually spreading out, getting wider, not flatter, ie. expanding. :prop:

Wrong about 55.10 : http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/10/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Other renditions than 'spread out': Appointed, Laid out, Set the earth, Prepared (no flatness).

Wrong about 79.30: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Other renditions for spread out: wide has He spread its expanse; He extended (to a wide expanse), prepared for live

Wrong about 88.20: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/88/20/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Expand first mean WIDE, vast expanse which has everything to do with Lane's definition of Daha.

Edward Lane's Lexicon, on Daha... (will you ever get it?... :thinking: )
--He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended
--He (God) made the earth wide, or ample;
--also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide...


What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'flatness'.
Period. Get it?????
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:I've answered your silly assertion that:
''Spreading a single physical object ultimately entails making it more flat to the extent it is spread out.''

A single physical object maybe the earth, the sun or a star, as well as a manuscript, a scene, a landscape, a pencil, etc.
Just like the tectonic plates spread out to form nowadays continents. Each one of them spreading from former Pangaea.

Sorry but your ultimate attempt falls flat too!
But you won't tell the rest of the class how your silly diversions and alternate meanings relate specifically to the earth, and even when you attempt, the attempts are inherently flawed and involve trickery and smoke and mirrors in hopes that people are stupid enough to not see this. You dilute the specific request of how this relates to the earth, which is what the Quran is actually talking about.
The Koran is talking about spreading out, which Lane's define as WIDE (as in AMPLE), like an ostrich unfolding a communal nest.

The whole original page from Lane's Lexicon.
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/V ... 000023.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In this whole pdf page, not a mention about flatness but rather... of a belly becoming fat, swollen.
Or of a camel spreading out its belly when lying to rest and sleep. Again, nothing flat involved...

How Allah spread out the earth, as we would say God prepared it, making it suitable for life.
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/91/6/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Shakir) extended it; (Pickthall) spread it; (Asad) all its expanse; (Y. Ali) its (wide) expanse.

http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ib ... 58381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mujahid said, "Tahaha means He spread it out.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "This means what He created in it.'' `
Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "Tahaha means that He proportioned it.'' Mujahid, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak,
As-Suddi, Ath-Thawri, Abu Salih and Ibn Zayd all said that (Tahaha) means, He spread it out. Allah then says, (By Nafs, and
Ma Sawwaha (Who apportioned it).) meaning, He created it sound and well-proportioned upon the correct nature (Al-Fitrah).


Spread it out: He proportioned it; He created sound and well-proportioned.

Your sophist arguments can't stand basic scrutiny.
MbL wrote:
The Cat wrote:Please link us to where this have been properly refuted or stand corrected.
Therein you've admitted that: ''Wide only refers to size, not shape''.

What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'flatness'.
Period. You're on a flat balloon, Your Sophistry...

I enjoy your sophist skating, especially when you're down flat on your nose.
Why didn't you quote the response to this that I have already given? You really are a dishonest piece of sh!t aren't you.
Looks like you haven't found anything and so must resort to ad Hominem to elude answering properly.
MbL wrote:How long are we all supposed to watch this disgusting evasiveness and pathetic tap dance?? Don't you have the slightest bit of honor??
Your Sophistry: ad Hominem mixed with Argumentum ad Populum noxiously backfire at... yourself.

And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry... :doh:
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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:


We simply say that perhaps some books shouldn't have been included. But when the Quran makes the claim of being the letter for letter dictation of God and is purposefully written in first person form rather than in the form of someone narrating a story like the Bible, then one error, just one, and the whole thing instantaneously becomes a lie. And you even know this is true and have no sufficient answers for the multiple errors contained within it, so out of frustration, you try to bring the Bible down along with the Quran. As they say, misery loves company[/spoiler].
You are wrong and I am right

Sorry it does not work like that .......... take this book out or that book out.... Where ever find something that makes no sense and is exposed and embarrassing take that out. ...What is the surety that other books or material are not wrong?? hanh? speechless now? christian kid, its the matter of credibility which you try not to understand. But since you are a a hypocrite it does not matter to you........... Book like this does not qualify to be called holy to begin with and neither a religion can be based on it.

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Is this the only problem you see in Genises? That's an under statement. Its wrong from left to right, its a pile of sh!t. You been as usual hypocrite.
As opposed to the religion of Islam?
What happens when you pour out your inner thoughts, did they become flat or liquefied? :whistling:
Please explain :)

How do you go about making the nonphysical actually physical? Last time I checked, people couldn't pour out their thoughts and mold it into a physical form... :thinking:

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MbL wrote:It's not referring to what he created IN it, it's referring to the earth itself.
How can you delude yourself that much. The tafsir you brought isn't 91.6 but 13.3, which you didn't mention, deceiver:

13.3: And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein
two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.


13.4: And in the Earth are neighbouring tracts, vineyards and ploughed lands, and date-palms, like and unlike, which are watered
with one water. And we have made some of them to excel others in fruit. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who have sense.


How can't this refer to what He created in it, Your Sophistry? :wacko:
MbL wrote:Right, he "proportioned" it by spreading it out to make ample flat space for mankind to live on it because mankind can't live on round object because the only available space for man to live on would have been the very tip top of the earth (or so it was thought back then). It's quite simple and obvious.
What's obvious here is your petty sophistry. Ever-snowy mountains, raging seas, ravines aren't indicating anything flat.

79.30-32:
And the earth after that He spread it. He brought forth from it, its water and its pasture
and the mountains, He made them firm, A provision for you and your cattle.


Even beds and cradles aren't flat at all, except by squaring your thoughts to a max...
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It's only in narrowing 'spread out' to one fringed aspect that one can state that it means 'flat'.
Yet the Universe is actually spreading out, becoming wider, more spacious, NOT flatter!

4.97...
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/97/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Asad: Was, then, God's earth not wide enough?
Pickthall: Was not Allah's earth spacious?
Shakir: Was not Allah's earth spacious?
Y. Ali: Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spacious" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
--Generous or large in area or extent; roomy. Vast in range or scope.
--Spaciousness: spacious, ample, capacious, commodious, roomy. Large, huge, broad, vast, extensive, ample, expansive, capacious....

And so is, as Edward Lane defined, an ostrich's nest: wide, ample, made spacious for communal purpose.
The leading female then spread out its belly over them and cradle them all for protection and sustenance.

MbL is running on flat tires... :roflmao:
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The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:It's not referring to what he created IN it, it's referring to the earth itself.
How can you delude yourself that much. The tafsir you brought isn't 91.6 but 13.3, which you didn't mention, deceiver:

13.3: And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein
two spouses (male and female). He covereth the night with the day. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who take thought.
Spread the earth AND THEN placed therein hills. 2 separate actions in chronological order. Spread out the earth, then placed firm hills (mountains). YOU'RE the deceiver. I can't believe you're actually attempting this. Just how stupid do you think people are?? You either think people are complete idiots or you are a raving lunatic. I'm not sure which is the case at this point.
The Cat wrote: 13.4: And in the Earth are neighbouring tracts, vineyards and ploughed lands, and date-palms, like and unlike, which are watered
with one water. And we have made some of them to excel others in fruit. Lo! herein verily are portents for people who have sense.
This all happened AFTER the earth was spread
The Cat wrote: How can't this refer to what He created in it, Your Sophistry? :wacko:

What's obvious here is your petty sophistry. Ever-snowy mountains, raging seas, ravines aren't indicating anything flat.
Part one, he spread the already existing earth. Part two, he created things in it (or on it). You can't be this stupid so either you are a filthy liar or a raving lunatic.
MbL wrote:Right, he "proportioned" it by spreading it out to make ample flat space for mankind to live on it because mankind can't live on round object because the only available space for man to live on would have been the very tip top of the earth (or so it was thought back then). It's quite simple and obvious. And quite hiding behind the word sophistry over and over and over again. Believe me, it doesn't make you sound one bit smarter and in fact, it begins to make you sound more stupid as you repeatedly overuse it. Don't you have any other 10 dollar words to impress us with?? :lol:
The Cat wrote: 79.30-32:
And the earth after that He spread it. He brought forth from it, its water and its pasture
and the mountains, He made them firm, A provision for you and your cattle.
Right, he spread out the earth and then added mountains to it. This completely debunks your other ridiculous attempt where you tried to say that it was talking about smoothing out the earth's surface, which means smoothing out the mountains only to add them again. You really botched that one and then tried to sweep it under the rug by changing your story. It simply isn't going to work. This is pathetically desperate. Obviously, you simply cannot stand admitting you made a mistake, so I'm going to enjoy to continue to shove it in your face because you deserve it.
The Cat wrote: Even beds and cradles aren't flat at all, except by squaring your thoughts to a max...
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They have flat surfaces you stupid lunatic. What do you think they rest on, a ball?? :lol: This is so pathetic
The Cat wrote: It's only in narrowing 'spread out' to one fringed aspect that one can state that it means 'flat'.
Yet the Universe is actually spreading out, becoming wider, more spacious, NOT flatter!
I asked you before, many different times, to relate your alternate definitions to the earth, and you refuse every single time. Why haven't you? I don't think you even need to answer that as we both know why, and so does everyone else. This is truly awful. It's actually downright insulting to watch.
The Cat wrote: 4.97...
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/97/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Asad: Was, then, God's earth not wide enough?
Pickthall: Was not Allah's earth spacious?
Shakir: Was not Allah's earth spacious?
Y. Ali: Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough.
97. Surely (as for) those whom the angels cause to die while they are unjust to their souls, they shall say: In what state were you? They shall say: We were weak in the earth. They shall say: Was not Allah's earth spacious, so that you should have migrated therein? So these it is whose abode is hell, and it is an evil resort

It says Allah spread the earth out enough for them to go somewhere else. Elsewhere it even says he stretched it out. What happens when you stretch out a ball of pizza dough?? It gets rounder, right?? :lol:
The Cat wrote: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spacious" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
--Generous or large in area or extent; roomy. Vast in range or scope.
--Spaciousness: spacious, ample, capacious, commodious, roomy. Large, huge, broad, vast, extensive, ample, expansive, capacious....
Sure, and the more spacious it became, the flatter it became, and THEN Allah added the mountains. You keep trying anything you can to dilute, divert, evade, confuse....but it simply isn't going to work and any objective mind can clearly see what is going on here and how awful your attempts are.

The Cat wrote: And so is, as Edward Lane defined, an ostrich's nest: wide, ample, made spacious for communal purpose.
The leading female then spread out its belly over them and cradle them all for protection and sustenance.

MbL is running on flat tires... :roflmao:
Nice fake laughter. What was so incredibly funny about saying "running on flat tires"? It's kind of stupid, wouldn't you say? The verse does not contain a noun and does not refer to the nest. The verse contains a verb and refers to the action the ostrich does to create the nest. It spreads the dirt out. Spreads it out, just like spread out is included in so many of the other verses. Remember, the Quran often merely repeats itself. Nice try, but you failed miserably again. When are you going to quit and stop embarrassing yourself?
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Alex wrote:
Is this the only problem you see in Genises? That's an under statement. Its wrong from left to right, its a pile of sh!t. You been as usual hypocrite.
As opposed to the religion of Islam?

Iffo calls people hypocrite to hide his own hypocrisy. I said that if I answer questions about the Bible (on an Islamic forum no less), then he has to answer questions about the Quran. He said "of course I will" and then turned around and went back on his word and said "we're not talking about the Quran" when asked about it. After all, he's a Muslim and cannot be trusted. They think trickery is clever rather than shameful because their prophet was a deceiving trickster, so it's ingrained in their religion and hence their culture. They also have a bizarre sense of reasoning. If you show them to be a liar, they try anything they can to reverse the table and show you to be a liar, usually without any good reason. They think, well if he can make the claim, then so can I, but they don't understand that something has to be behind the claim and you can't just arbitrarily make it in a tit for tat fashion. They just don't get it which is probably why they are so often behind the rest of the world. Nobody has taught them solid reasoning skills, they have only taught them the Quran.
Alex wrote:
What happens when you pour out your inner thoughts, did they become flat or liquefied? :whistling:
Please explain :)

How do you go about making the nonphysical actually physical? Last time I checked, people couldn't pour out their thoughts and mold it into a physical form... :thinking:
The Cat is not going to explain himself. He's full of a bunch of desperate evasions and tricks at this point. I asked him to tell us how the earth was poured out and he ignored it. Basically, he answers what he thinks he can answer (and he doesn't even do that well) and he ignores what he knows he can't answer and pretends as though he was never asked. Watch this guy dance. You'll find it very entertaining if you don't find it downright sickening.
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iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:


We simply say that perhaps some books shouldn't have been included. But when the Quran makes the claim of being the letter for letter dictation of God and is purposefully written in first person form rather than in the form of someone narrating a story like the Bible, then one error, just one, and the whole thing instantaneously becomes a lie. And you even know this is true and have no sufficient answers for the multiple errors contained within it, so out of frustration, you try to bring the Bible down along with the Quran. As they say, misery loves company.
You are wrong and I am right
Who says?
iffo wrote: Sorry it does not work like that ..........
Who says?
iffo wrote: take this book out or that book out.... Where ever find something that makes no sense and is exposed and embarrassing take that out. ...
Religious officials decided which books should go in the Bible. If we find out that one of them shouldn't be included, that doesn't ruin the other ones. Some Christian scholars are beginning to question whether the book of Revelations should have been added, but none of them are saying the Bible itself is junk.
iffo wrote: What is the surety that other books or material are not wrong?? hanh? speechless now?
There's no surety that anything is not wrong in any religion, that's why it's called belief, not fact.
iffo wrote: christian kid,
Well obviously, it bothers you greatly that I have identified that you are merely a little kid or perhaps a teenager wasting everyone's time here. So once again, you try to arbitrarily flip the table with no good reason behind the arbitrary flip. Have you ever heard little kids say "I know you are but what am I" when someone calls them something insulting?? That's exactly what little kids do Iffo and they don't understand yet that this simply does not work.

iffo wrote: its the matter of credibility which you try not to understand.
Religious leaders were the ones who decided which books to include in the Bible. Some say that the Song of Solomon shouldn't have been included, even though that contains no errors and is merely a love poem.
iffo wrote: But since you are a a hypocrite it does not matter to you
You agreed to talk about the Quran as well and then went back on your word by saying "we're not talking about the Quran". So you are a hypocritical liar and you try to call me a hypocrite so that you can deflect and hide your own hypocrisy. It's very very obvious, but being a naive little kid like you are, you can't see that yet because you haven't leaned that yet. It's like the little kid who tells his teacher that Martians ate his homework and then gets angry when his teacher doesn't believe him. After all, he would have believed that story, so his teacher should believe it too, right?? :lol:
iffo wrote: ........... Book like this does not qualify to be called holy to begin with and neither a religion can be based on it.
Which book?? It's a collection of books written over thousands of years. You're just mad because you can't make this claim about the Quran, and you know it has errors and you know that one error, just one, and the entire thing becomes a lie. And as I said before, there are tons of errors that you refuse to discuss, even though you said you would. Honestly, who do you think you could possibly be fooling? So, I'm the one who agreed to answer about the Bible, even though it's a forum about Islam, and you refuse to answer about the Quran, even though this is a forum about Islam, after agreeing to do so. So I am the honorable one, and you are the shameful one. Muslims are known for shameful behavior like this. It comes from desperation and the model their deceptive, 20% profit pedo set for them when dealing with non Muslims. I blame your shameful behavior in this forum on Muhammad. You were simply brainwashed to behave this way from day one.

I think you need a good spanking. :lol:
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The Cat wrote: So when the tectonic plates spreaded out from Pangaea, they became more flat? Or is it that they EXTENDED, Your Sophistry? :roflmao:
So now, you change your angle to the tectonic plates excuse. Why don't you tell the rest of the class how that made the earth wider or more spacious? Tell the rest of the class how that made it more hospitable and more like a cradle.
MbL wrote: He expanded the earth after he brought light. So the earth was not expanded at first. That's right, it was a ball like the sun and moon and Allah expanded and stretched it out and therefore flattened it out so that people could live on it.

No, spread out means flatness as referenced in the verses you are not quoting and we were talking about. And what happens when you take a singular, physical object and make it into a vast expanse? Does matter simply disappear or does it become more flat as it becomes more stretched out and vast??
The Cat wrote: Which verses? I've named them all! Get them if you can... (but you won't).
No you haven't and you have only quoted the ones that you think will suit your argument, and even those ones don't work well.
The Cat wrote:
And only in your shrinked interpretation, way from the Koran, does it mean flat instead of wide (as spacious).
All you need to do is to take your silly alternate definitions and apply them to the case of the earth. But you never do because you know you can't. Look at what happened when you pulled the tectonic plates excuse out of your pocket. I wonder why you didn't bring this up earlier. It's because you're getting desperate and attempting to claw on to any excuse you can at this point.

What happens when you make a singular physical object more wide?? Did the earth expand like a balloon?? Even that would be scientifically inaccurate.
The Cat wrote:
Then a physical object, when spread out like the continents from former Pangaea never meant that they became flat.
Great, so all you need to do now is to tell us how that made the earth wider. You said it, not me.

The Cat wrote:
Even our universe, as a singular physical object,
That is very very questionable. but again, we're not talking about the universe, we are talking about the earth. These diversions are simply not going to work.
The Cat wrote:
is actually spreading out, getting wider, not flatter, ie. expanding. :prop:
Great, relate that to the case of the earth.
The Cat wrote:
Wrong about 55.10 : http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/55/10/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Other renditions than 'spread out': Appointed, Laid out, Set the earth, Prepared (no flatness).
All I ask is what happens to a singular, solid physical object when you spread it out. Remember, we're not talking about cutting something up, we're talking about a singular object that remains singular. Even if we use the example of an expanding balloon, that too would be scientifically inaccurate when it comes to the case of the earth.
The Cat wrote:
Wrong about 79.30: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Other renditions for spread out: wide has He spread its expanse; He extended (to a wide expanse), prepared for live
What happens when you widen an object? Remember, the balloon example can't be used because that too would be scientifically inaccurate.
The Cat wrote:
Wrong about 88.20: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/88/20/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Expand first mean WIDE, vast expanse which has everything to do with Lane's definition of Daha.

Edward Lane's Lexicon, on Daha... (will you ever get it?... :thinking: )
--He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended


What happens when you spread forth or spread out a singular, solid physical object? You consistently refuse to answer this. Your refusal is a waste of everyone's time. This discussion should have ended long ago, but your inappropriate use of alternate definitions and your refusal to answer simple questions has kept this going.

The Cat wrote:
--He (God) made the earth wide, or ample;
--also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide...
Right the ostrich spreads out the dirt and then pats it down

The Cat wrote:
What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'flatness'.
Period. Get it?????
No, because it doesn't.
The Cat wrote:I've answered your silly assertion that:
''Spreading a single physical object ultimately entails making it more flat to the extent it is spread out.''

A single physical object maybe the earth, the sun or a star, as well as a manuscript, a scene, a landscape, a pencil, etc.
Well we are only talking about the earth in this discussion, right?? So why are you including these other stupid alternate situations? Nice Try. REJECTED!! :lol:
The Cat wrote: Just like the tectonic plates spread out to form nowadays continents. Each one of them spreading from former Pangaea.
How did that make the earth wider or more spacious? How did it make it more hospitable as well? Remember, those are your words.
The Cat wrote: Sorry but your ultimate attempt falls flat too!
It stands perfectly. You just didn't think through your silly tectonic plates excuse thoroughly enough and you painted yourself into a corner once again. And you think you're smart?? You must be joking.
The Cat wrote:
But you won't tell the rest of the class how your silly diversions and alternate meanings relate specifically to the earth, and even when you attempt, the attempts are inherently flawed and involve trickery and smoke and mirrors in hopes that people are stupid enough to not see this. You dilute the specific request of how this relates to the earth, which is what the Quran is actually talking about.
The Koran is talking about spreading out, which Lane's define as WIDE (as in AMPLE), like an ostrich unfolding a communal nest.
And the ostrich spreads the dirt out and pats it down to do so. And it's talking about the earth being spread out. Do we now remove the word earth from all of those verses?? This is ridiculously desperate. Quit wasting people's time with your stubborn diversions and answer the simple question in a straightforward manner.

The Cat wrote: The whole original page from Lane's Lexicon.
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/V ... 000023.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In this whole pdf page, not a mention about flatness but rather... of a belly becoming fat, swollen.
Or of a camel spreading out its belly when lying to rest and sleep. Again, nothing flat involved...
The camels belly becomes flatter to the extent it is spread out. Anyway, the only thing that matters is it's usage in relation to the earth. Relate those alternate definitions to the earth. But you can't and you even know it and your desperate attempt using the plates failed miserably.
The Cat wrote: How Allah spread out the earth, as we would say God prepared it, making it suitable for life.
What did he do to prepare it??
The Cat wrote: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/91/6/default.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Shakir) extended it; (Pickthall) spread it; (Asad) all its expanse; (Y. Ali) its (wide) expanse.
What happens to a singular, solid physical object when it is extended, spread or becomes wider?
The Cat wrote: http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ib ... 58381.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mujahid said, "Tahaha means He spread it out.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "This means what He created in it.'' `
Ali bin Abi Talhah reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "Tahaha means that He proportioned it.'' Mujahid, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak,
As-Suddi, Ath-Thawri, Abu Salih and Ibn Zayd all said that (Tahaha) means, He spread it out. Allah then says, (By Nafs, and
Ma Sawwaha (Who apportioned it).) meaning, He created it sound and well-proportioned upon the correct nature (Al-Fitrah).


Spread it out: He proportioned it; He created sound and well-proportioned.
What does he mean by proportioned it?

The Cat wrote: Your sophist arguments can't stand basic scrutiny.
They are doing very well and others recognize this as well and you look more and more stupid every time you repeatedly use the word sophist. Don't you have any other words to give us the illusion that you are smart? :lol:
The Cat wrote:Please link us to where this have been properly refuted or stand corrected.
Therein you've admitted that: ''Wide only refers to size, not shape''.
Yes it does which is why I wonder why you attempted to use it in relation to shape. And what happens to a singular, physical object such as the earth when it becomes wider? Does it mean expansion like a balloon?? That would be scientifically inaccurate as well. So pick which inaccuracy that you want.
The Cat wrote: What the Lexicon says debunk your assertion that the Koranic 'dahaha' (spread out) refers to your delusive 'flatness'.
Period. You're on a flat balloon, Your Sophistry...
Lane's lexicon is defining the word, not what happens when the action is carried out. It's not supposed to define what happens when the action is carried out because that's not part of the definition, it is a consequence of the action.
The Cat wrote: I enjoy your sophist skating,
Oh God, there's that word again. Come on, there's lots of other 10 dollar words in the English language that can make you look equally as snotty, so why use just one? :lol:
The Cat wrote: especially when you're down flat on your nose.
Sounds like you wish that would happen. Can't say I blame you. After all, I'm ruining your delusional little party and exposing you.
The Cat wrote:
Why didn't you quote the response to this that I have already given? You really are a dishonest piece of sh!t aren't you.
Looks like you haven't found anything and so must resort to ad Hominem to elude answering properly.
Last I checked, that doesn't constitute an answer to my question.

The Cat wrote:
MbL wrote:How long are we all supposed to watch this disgusting evasiveness and pathetic tap dance?? Don't you have the slightest bit of honor??
Your Sophistry: ad Hominem mixed with Argumentum ad Populum noxiously backfire at... yourself.
Funny how I can't feel it backfiring. Great, just make the claim, act confident about it, and everybody will believe you. At least you picked new snotty words besides sophist or sophistry. :lol:
The Cat wrote: And you're in no position to talk about honor, Your Sophistry... :doh:
viewtopic.php?p=158164#p158164" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
viewtopic.php?p=158787#p158787" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I answered those posts already. Are we going to go around in circles?? Is that the next desperate diversionary tactic? Shees, this is ridiculous. Crazy Cat.

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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Which book?? It's a collection of books written over thousands of years. You're just mad because you can't make this claim about the Quran, and you know it has errors and you know that one error, just one, and the entire thing becomes a lie. And as I said before, there are tons of errors that you refuse to discuss, even though you said you would. Honestly, who do you think you could possibly be fooling? So, I'm the one who agreed to answer about the Bible, even though it's a forum about Islam, and you refuse to answer about the Quran, even though this is a forum about Islam, after agreeing to do so. So I am the honorable one, and you are the shameful one. Muslims are known for shameful behavior like this. It comes from desperation and the model their deceptive, 20% profit pedo set for them when dealing with non Muslims. I blame your shameful behavior in this forum on Muhammad. You were simply brainwashed to behave this way from day one.

I think you need a good spanking. :lol:
Which religious authority ?? like they have a way of knowing what is true and what is not in those books written 100's of years back?? :???: And you dummy will just agree to them with out using your brain. See how silly you are. Books written by people who never met Jesus are not holy books to begin with.

Its been shown to you with out doubt that people made their own nonsense and added to the books, they got caught because they were making stories about science, and still you don't doubt and question other stories and material in there.

My goal was to show what kind a crock & hypocrite you are and I have succeeded in it........... that's all. . You are just making fool of yourself, believing in books written by men which are filled with mistakes and cruelty / immorality and still calling them holy .......

You are nothing but a brain washed little skinny ass kid which brings your credibility to Zero.

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iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Which book?? It's a collection of books written over thousands of years. You're just mad because you can't make this claim about the Quran, and you know it has errors and you know that one error, just one, and the entire thing becomes a lie. And as I said before, there are tons of errors that you refuse to discuss, even though you said you would. Honestly, who do you think you could possibly be fooling? So, I'm the one who agreed to answer about the Bible, even though it's a forum about Islam, and you refuse to answer about the Quran, even though this is a forum about Islam, after agreeing to do so. So I am the honorable one, and you are the shameful one. Muslims are known for shameful behavior like this. It comes from desperation and the model their deceptive, 20% profit pedo set for them when dealing with non Muslims. I blame your shameful behavior in this forum on Muhammad. You were simply brainwashed to behave this way from day one.

I think you need a good spanking. :lol:
Which religious authority ??
The one at the time the Bible was compiled.
iffo wrote: like they have a way of knowing what is true and what is not in those books written 100's of years back??
They don't have a way of knowing for sure. How do you know Muhammad wasn't lying about the whole Quran? You won't answer that. As I said, I am honorable and you are not.
iffo wrote: And you dummy will just agree to them with out using your brain.
I already told you that some Christian scholars don't think the book of Revelations should be included nor the Song of Solomon, even though neither has a provable error. They are allowed to think freely and critically like that, unlike Muslims.
iffo wrote: See how silly you are. Books written by people who never met Jesus are not holy books to begin with.
Then the Quran is not a holy book. And by the way, I'm not talking about religious authorities writing them, I'm talking about them deciding to include these writings in the Bible or not.

iffo wrote: Its been shown to you with out doubt that people made their own nonsense
That hasn't been proven
iffo wrote: and added to the books,
They have added books to the Bible, not added to the books that they added to the Bible.

iffo wrote: they got caught because they were making stories about science,
Nobody gets caught more blatantly doing this than the Quran. The Bible didn't try to comment on how the heavens go, but rather much more on how to go to heaven. Muhammad, on the other hand, opened his fat mouth about about matters of the cosmos way too much and later on got caught with his pants down all over the place.

iffo wrote: and still you don't doubt and question other stories and material in there.
Which stories?
iffo wrote: My goal was to show what kind a crock & hypocrite you are and I have succeeded in it
Says you right? Why doesn't a bunch of other people say that?? You write your own truth to suit your needs. Hasn't anyone ever told you how pointless and logically flawed that is? I guess not. You're a Muslim, so they only taught you the Quran, not how to think clearly and objectively. You don't even know what the word objective means.
iffo wrote: that's all. . You are just making fool of yourself, believing in books written by men which are filled with mistakes and cruelty / immorality and still calling them holy .......

You are nothing but a brain washed little skinny ass kid which brings your credibility to Zero.
So you are pulling the old "I know you are but what am I" just like I told you little kids do all of the time. :lol: This is too funny. Obviously you are very hurt and realize that Islam is a crock, so you're going to be the honorable terrorist and try to take other religions hostage and bring them down with Islam as well. As I said before, misery loves company, eh??
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Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
iffo wrote:
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
Which book?? It's a collection of books written over thousands of years. You're just mad because you can't make this claim about the Quran, and you know it has errors and you know that one error, just one, and the entire thing becomes a lie. And as I said before, there are tons of errors that you refuse to discuss, even though you said you would. Honestly, who do you think you could possibly be fooling? So, I'm the one who agreed to answer about the Bible, even though it's a forum about Islam, and you refuse to answer about the Quran, even though this is a forum about Islam, after agreeing to do so. So I am the honorable one, and you are the shameful one. Muslims are known for shameful behavior like this. It comes from desperation and the model their deceptive, 20% profit pedo set for them when dealing with non Muslims. I blame your shameful behavior in this forum on Muhammad. You were simply brainwashed to behave this way from day one.

I think you need a good spanking. :lol:
Which religious authority ??
The one at the time the Bible was compiled.
iffo wrote: like they have a way of knowing what is true and what is not in those books written 100's of years back??
They don't have a way of knowing for sure. How do you know Muhammad wasn't lying about the whole Quran? You won't answer that. As I said, I am honorable and you are not.
iffo wrote: And you dummy will just agree to them with out using your brain.
I already told you that some Christian scholars don't think the book of Revelations should be included nor the Song of Solomon, even though neither has a provable error. They are allowed to think freely and critically like that, unlike Muslims.
iffo wrote: See how silly you are. Books written by people who never met Jesus are not holy books to begin with.
Then the Quran is not a holy book. And by the way, I'm not talking about religious authorities writing them, I'm talking about them deciding to include these writings in the Bible or not.

iffo wrote: Its been shown to you with out doubt that people made their own nonsense
That hasn't been proven
iffo wrote: and added to the books,
They have added books to the Bible, not added to the books that they added to the Bible.

iffo wrote: they got caught because they were making stories about science,
Nobody gets caught more blatantly doing this than the Quran. The Bible didn't try to comment on how the heavens go, but rather much more on how to go to heaven. Muhammad, on the other hand, opened his fat mouth about about matters of the cosmos way too much and later on got caught with his pants down all over the place.

iffo wrote: and still you don't doubt and question other stories and material in there.
Which stories?
iffo wrote: My goal was to show what kind a crock & hypocrite you are and I have succeeded in it
Says you right? Why doesn't a bunch of other people say that?? You write your own truth to suit your needs. Hasn't anyone ever told you how pointless and logically flawed that is? I guess not. You're a Muslim, so they only taught you the Quran, not how to think clearly and objectively. You don't even know what the word objective means.
iffo wrote: that's all. . You are just making fool of yourself, believing in books written by men which are filled with mistakes and cruelty / immorality and still calling them holy .......

You are nothing but a brain washed little skinny ass kid which brings your credibility to Zero.
So you are pulling the old "I know you are but what am I" just like I told you little kids do all of the time. :lol: This is too funny. Obviously you are very hurt and realize that Islam is a crock, so you're going to be the honorable terrorist and try to take other religions hostage and bring them down with Islam as well. As I said before, misery loves company, eh??

Like I said the people who complied bible books did not even meet and see Jesus in their life ................. different books contradicts each other but you ego-centric christain boy is so blind in your faith that you don't want to admit it... you don't want to admit the ugliness in bible .......... thanks for exposing what kind a double standard hypocrite and crook you are. ......... your credibility is ZERO its people like you who have brought this FFI site down. If you were a honorable fellow you would have said yes bible is full have crape, but you did not even read bible I am sure :D
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People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

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These were the rules for a specific time when people were barbarians Like Paedophile Mohammed . Even Jews of the time of Jesus were not practicing it and If anything Jesus overturned the laws of OT, so what is the point in a desperate Paedo worshipper repeating it . oops Paedophile Mohammed ordered women to be stoned while doing incest with his daughter law. Gotcha :worthy:
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iffo wrote:
Homo look what your bible says about homosexuals :lol:
Ah, the power of Tu Quoque. Where would Muslims be without with?

But hang on a moment! Wasn't "your bible" written by Allah himself? So what's the problem?
Why do you treat the bible as it was not from Allah? How many gods are there?
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