How to combat Takkiya of Timirdhi Hadith

[noyanika]

When i was in debate few Muslim quoted Timirdhi hadith


The Prophet(pubh) said: 'Whoever suffers an injury done to him and forgives (the person responsible), Allah will raise his status to a higher degree and remove one of his sins.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet (pubh)said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet(pubh) said: 'The most virtuous jihâd is when one speaks a word of truth before an unjust ruler.' (Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

I quoted his rape murder from Bukhari Ishaq and Muslim ... I asked him to give me online source of Timirdhi as I don't trust Muslim much .... Kindly help me ....

[skynightblaze]

When i was in debate few Muslim quoted Timirdhi hadith

The Prophet(pubh) said: 'Whoever suffers an injury done to him and forgives (the person responsible), Allah will raise his status to a higher degree and remove one of his sins.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet (pubh)said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet(pubh) said: 'The most virtuous jihâd is when one speaks a word of truth before an unjust ruler.' (Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

I quoted his rape murder from Bukhari Ishaq and Muslim ... I asked him to give me online source of Timirdhi as I don't trust Muslim much .... Kindly help me ....

If we are to accept this ahadith then it contradicts the quranic principle of eye of eye(16:126)and even 5:33 which says that punishment for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger is cutting hands or feet from opposite sides. SO ask him why did Muhammad disobey the quran and instruct something other than what quran teaches???

Anyway keep posting the updates here about your debate..

[CuteCoot]

It might be worth mentioning that Timirdhi is quite low in level of authenticity among "The Authentic Six". He really should be able to quote a more precise reference than just the collection as a whole.

The best online collection I know is at the University of Southern California but they only have Bukhari, Muslim, Abu-Dawud (partial), and "Malik's Muwatta" (which is not among the authentic six listed at the wikipedia article).

It's also quite likely that Mohammad said quite contradictory things throughout his lifetime and/or that the whole thing is pretty much all made up. After all, these collections were brought together a couple of centuries after Mohammad's death. It's totally implausible that it would be accurate. This is even true of the Koran itself.

[farside]

Thank God Almighty (or Allah)! I've found a searchable English translation of Al-Tirmidhi on the web. I've been looking for one for a very very long time.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16768046/Jami ... alTirmidhi

Kind Regards,
Farside