Snb's optuse impetuosity is at it again...
skynightblaze wrote:The islamic scriptures(Ishaq to be precise) claim that Abraha attacked Mecca in the same year as Muhammad's birth . The story has an equal chance of being false just as it has for it being true.... It's ishaq that reports this fact so if this is false your entire argument goes down the drain because in that case we don't have to shift the events 15-20 years back and therefore the chain of sahih hadith doesn't break....
If the story of Ishaq is true then it would mean that muhammad was born in 552 AD then this shifts all the events 15-20 years back . Now if all the events are pushed 15-20 years back then We have a problem for quran too... When did Muhammad receive revelation? When was the quran compiled and collected? Therefore this would not only kill Sahih hadith but also the authenticity of quran. So either way this argument is useless. If the story is true then it would mean both quran and hadith are false but if the story is false then it creates no problem for quran as well as hadith.
You're such a lousy thinker in the garb of 'logic'... Let us see:
What the Abraha inscription -proves- is that there was no Mecca (where it now stands) and no al-Muttalib, the 'ancestor' of Muhammad
(an Abbasid forgery to gain power). It doesn't disprove the very existence of the Arabic prophet at all, nor the compilation of the Koran.
The Abraha inscription completely destroys Mecca's present location, related with the ancestry of Muhammad.
It leaves untouched the more and more evident Northwest location of Muhammad's homegrown as 'Mecca'.
skynightblaze wrote:All one has to do is find Mecca in the quran and both quran and ahadith need to be dismissed on the basis of that and not just ahadith.
Your problem is that 'Mecca' in 48.24 only comes when trampling the Classical Arabic dictionaries
all defining MKK as 'suckling' (like at the negotiations of Hudaibiya, the very subject of sura 48).
And He it is Who hath withheld men's hands from you, and hath withheld your hands from them,
in the midst of wrangles, after He had made you victors over them. Allah is Seer of what ye do.
As I've said to you MANY times already, if 'Mecca' was mentioned elsewhere in the Koran,
I wouldn't object but since 48.24 is the only place were it's found, I most obviously doubt.
And -
even if it was so- IT DOESN'T GIVE ITS LOCATION !! Get it??
MECCA -Myth vs Reality: In Search of Mt Sinai!
On 48.24 Bibatni 'Makkata' (where I parted from free-minds' destruction for swindles -squabbling or wrangle)
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skynightblaze wrote:skynightblaze wrote: --Never ever fall for the historical crap. I made a mistake of getting into historical things.
Its a TRAP to set you up.If you fall for it you lose the case.
--''There must be proof . Its only that I aint finding it.''
That's the only point in our whole series of debates where you had an edge however I had the guts to agree that. After that you have always been a big time loser. My approach was incorrect at that time. All one has to do is find Mecca in the quran and both quran and ahadith need to be dismissed on the basis of that and not just ahadith.
Where did you have the guts to agree over that? Or are you defining yourself as a poor liar?
And, correction: You're STILL incorrect, you've been proven wrong in all of our debates, like this one over Mecca.
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Summing the Archaeological evidences (against nowadays Mecca)
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22.26; 33.21; 2.282
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Debunker, the Abbasids
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Always using senile assertions like: 'my approach was incorrect at that time' just to keep on... the same incorrectness still!
No wonder why you still uphold the authenticity of the hadiths (in Resource center): They're just as unsound and deluded as you are!
And... how could you now state that the hadiths are corrupted while maintaining your thread in Resource center? That's snb's 'logic' !
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.