Why did Islam servive for over 1400 years???

[allahwhoallah]

Sallam Alykum and may ALLAH bless you and our master Nabi. ameen

IF you believe in something so hard and so much on a daily basis, the universe gives it you, even after death. You are the creator of your faith.

Why did Islam Survive if is is so evil? Well, lets just say, why did Hitler succeed and establish his Germany, and almost wiped out this damn world?
Although Mohammad was evil as he was, he was not lazy, he believed in a mission, he believed that he was a prophet for real, he kept saying he wanted to rule and destroy the Jews, the kafirs, anyone who would opposed him. He kept talking about God, on a consistent level, kept praying, and brainwashing the local Arabs on a 24 hour basis. Well, the universe gave it to him. It just shows you that if you truly believe in a idea, whether you want to be a prophet,whether you want to be a police man, you can, you just have to have 100% belief that it will come true and never ever give up that hope. Even if you have to inflict punishment on Kafirs, Jews, and pagans, it will come true down the road, the universe will eventually give it to you, the universe dose not decide if its evil or not. You see, the prophet understood the secret better then you and me, and he used it towards his advantage, and it worked, here is my proof. 1.5 billion people still believe that there is a Arab ALLAH that will give them paradise, and the rest humans.... well, BAR-B Q time boys.

Islam is a living proof that the secret is real, Islam is the proof that anything can be done, even if it is completely evil, horrendous, malignant, killing, slaughter, hatred, envy, control, brainwashing,even if Arabic ALLAH revealed it in Greek, Latin, Hebrew, or even Zulu, it would have worked, the secret will never let you down. You just have to brainwash yourself up to a level that this is real, real and real, and slowly the world will look more islamic to you, even science will make your brain seem like Allah revealed it. All for you.

Yes, after Mohammad died his punishment may have been severe, more like in a psychological way rather then physical, but I give him a gold medal for actually proving that the secret is real, we all know that Islam is bogus, fabricated, sugar-coated, and even some people like me, have left Islam. But It gives me strength that if Mohammad was insane as he was, and not even GOD had stopped him from killing all those innocent Jews, pagans, and even regular tribesmen and even children, then GOD does not even exist, hell, it just maybe us out here, who knows, I will wait till death takes me, then I will ask that question, but for now, its us humans and a nice GOD, and this secret universe that make our belief come true by our own ideology and commitment.

Mohammad loved woman, he always thought about them on a continued basis, so the universe gave it to him, it happened,no big deal.But he truly thought,and all his Arab thugs thought that Islam will conquer and conquer and conquer and rule until the day of judgment, it almost did, very scary, very. That because they really believed that this Arabic faith was real,ALLAH was real and they made it come to life my their very own existence inside them, so, the secret knowledge gave it them.

A lesson to be learned. Do not ever make fun of someone if he keeps talking about something year after year, you never know, that persons wish will eventually come true, just look at Islam. Evil and malignant as it is, It came true. Mohammad must be looking down on this earth, especially at hajj time, and smiling with a grin in the year of 2010.

I do have bad news, it the 1.5 billion Muslims continue to believe that Islam will rule and conquer, then I am afraid the secret Universe will just give it to them, but not without a fight. Whats that smell??? Oh my, I smell a holy war brewing up in the future over religions.

Sal-lam

Thank you

From an ex-Muslim

[wakeup]

Very good post dear friend.

The problem apparently is that the word "religion" has been used with respect by unsuspecting fellow in all times.

Islam flourished simply because of lack of information, no allowing of inquiry, anyone asking a question, killed, out casted or ridiculed.

Muslims main weapon is social ridicule and fear. Fear is the element of Islam. The fear of Allah, punishment, and all those bastards posing as religious and pious kept people under boots by force not by will.

Millions of people did raise voices but their voices were shut and their tongues were cut by sharp metals.

Islam is nothing but a massive mafia. It is impossible to expose it on grand scale but thanks to Information world that we are leading to will change the scene once and for all. It may take a few more years but sooner or later the secrets of Islam will be out.
Once the secrets are exposed the first reactions are disbelief and denial but sooner or later the truth prevails and reality takes charge.

We need to do something to educate people on more and more exponentially.

Our contributions will not go in vain. We are all reformists and reformists are like inventors who are ridiculed in beginning but later they are the ones who rule. Meeks will inherit the world and not the oppressors.

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[Rebel]

IF you believe in something so hard and so much on a daily basis, the universe gives it you, even after death.

Uh..no it doesn't.

The reason Islam survived is because...

A) religions survived and flourished during the middle ages. If it hadn't been Islam it would have been some other religion. It wasn't until the eighteenth century that mankind found answers to many of the questions that only religion could answer before.

B) Islam in particular survived because it is militaristic in nature and there is plenty of emphasis on propagation of faith. When you levy Jizya etc on neighbouring people who follow a different faith and keep attacking them with armies, people find it easier to convert just so then can live in peace.

[Murtad Mama]

I just wanted to answer the question, "Why did Islam survive for over 1400 years?". To find out, go on You Tube. Search for "Ara Norenzayan". Listen to his lectures and you will find out why Islam survived. To me, when it comes to religion - Ara Norenzayan is the man! But he doesn't have much to say given that collecting SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE is a lot of work.

[Ibn Rushd]

Welcome back Murtad Mama! You have been missed.

[Idesigner]

Dear A.W.

Very good post.

Islam survived because it was marketed as OT religion. All other evil philosphies like Marxism , Nazism etc were ptolitical philosophies.Western world is pretty reluctant to tackle Islam because they themselves believed in lots of OT mumbo jumbo and all kind of absurd religious philosophy.

Mo was a genius. He conquered universe just by his will power. He deviced a system which cant be overthrown by military means only. His folks cant be even ruled or desciplined by non muslims. Their population is increasing and they may rule the world and ultimately self destruct.

Islam now enjoy lots of support from West because of PC mentality . PC correctness is pretty useful tool for barberians.

Ofcourse Internet had made difference. I hated Islam before internet but knowledge from site like this had made me very articulate when arguing with PC correct crowd. With muslims I could not make any progress.

[Eopithecus]

Islam survived because of cruelty and tyranny, one can't beleive different and live. Religion was just the binder that held the ignorant masses together as a unified victim of everyone else.

[time to wake up]

Dear A.W.

Very good post.

Islam survived because it was marketed as OT religion. All other evil philosphies like Marxism , Nazism etc were ptolitical philosophies.Western world is pretty reluctant to tackle Islam because they themselves believed in lots of OT mumbo jumbo and all kind of absurd religious philosophy.

Mo was a genius. He conquered universe just by his will power. He deviced a system which cant be overthrown by military means only. His folks cant be even ruled or desciplined by non muslims. Their population is increasing and they may rule the world and ultimately self destruct.

Islam now enjoy lots of support from West because of PC mentality . PC correctness is pretty useful tool for barberians.

Ofcourse Internet had made difference. I hated Islam before internet but knowledge from site like this had made me very articulate when arguing with PC correct crowd. With muslims I could not make any progress.

Fundamentally disagree with all of this. Islam has survived because of fear—it is designed to survive by instilling fear in opponents and adherents alike, fear of brutality and fear of hell. Once established It allows no objection. Historically you could not leave it and survive the machinery of the state (as is the case in Pakistan et al. even today), and any conquered culture would find themselves faced with either long or slow decline due to Sharia law which advocates to the advantage of Muslims over any other party. The only way it has been defeated is militarily, by greater force and this has been quite successful with the reconquesta in Spain and Portugal and the defeat of the Ottomans at Vienna.

It's worth noting that the Barbary pirates raided the coast of Europe for almost 3 centuries, taking over 1 million Europeans captive slaves—many died horrible deaths (just like Somali pirates today) appeasement and ransom was largely ineffectual the problem was only solved when First American and later British naval forces destroyed both their fleets and their ports, so ending that incidence of Islamic aggression.

[matt2842]

Because as well as being brutal, full of fear and violence, it is also opportunistic. It gains your trust and stabs you in a back

[alemcodon]

hi chaps

you guys areally are living in some fantasy world arent you?

islam hasnt tried to hijack your way of life, you only have to obverse the world around and look, afghanistan didnt invade usa, iraq didnt invade usa, and iran isnt trrying to invade usa or europe....

muslims werent reposnsible for ww1, or ww2, or the communists massacres in russia or china and muslims didnt wipe out an entire race and continent of natives in the americas...

the muslims didnt invade south america and make their national languages spanish and portugese, but obviously...

if you declare a war on muslims, then you will be fighting muslims, but muslims didnt start this war, you guys did,

if any of you bothered to read past the quotes mr tom dick and harry quotes you... it says....

fight the pagans....that fight you, if they honour a peace treaty then you shall honour it.

all this stuff about killing pagans and jews for no reason is gibberish, complete gibberish...

mr allahwalhollah....

muhammed didnt 'kill all those jews' look here, why dont you ask the jews who killed them???

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

everything what your grandads were guilty for your trying to blame muslims for it? go find a jew that was born before 9/11 and ask him who persecuted his people for 2000 years?

and ask them who were the only people on earth that accepted them and gave them a safe place to live without fear of persecution...

EVERYTIME jews were expelled from europe they went to muslim countries, morocco, turkey, iran, iraq etc when they were accepted as people of the book and protected from european medievil savages who were following a corrupted evil pagan version of christianity.

[ldnchk]

@Alemcodom:

How very convenient for you. Here is a book on Hitler and his muslim friend - it also sums up the islamic link to the HOLOCAUST - perhaps read actual history instead of islamic propaganda http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Connection ... 440&sr=8-2. As for muslims allowing people to live in peace - peace only comes from muslims when people are dhimmis and living under their rule so basically slaves. Western muslims are not treated as slaves - you are treated the same as everyone else so please stop trying to big islam up when it does not deserve to be.

As for calling Christians "people of the book" what right do you have to call us names we did not choose for ourselves? We don't have names for muslims. Then again I am sure you will deny that kaffir means filthy dirty non-believer.

Have you actually taken Ali Sina's Challenge? http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challen ... challenge/ - read his book (Understanding Mohammed) as well - he is giving it out for free these days. I dare you. Maybe then you will turn into a human being.

[Sten]

hi chaps

you guys areally are living in some fantasy world arent you?

islam hasnt tried to hijack your way of life, you only have to obverse the world around and look

Ok. Lets observe the world around, and look for some tolerant Muslim countries. Hmmm, that's interesting. I can't find any Muslim countries that allow religious minorities freedom of religion and expression. I can't find one Muslim country that enjoys freedom of speech. I must be looking in the wrong places, maybe you could help me?

[matt2842]

It seems to me that some people here don't undrestand the point.
FFi is not about muslims, is about islam itself. Islam's brutality, inhumanity, unequality and stupidity is under question here.
Now about muslims, I devide all muslims to two groups:
First are the one's that know islam and read koran and know it is full of crap, yet they use it to their advantage to gain power, money and attention. (look at ayatollhs hemas and hizbollah)
Second are the one's that are stupid enough to follow islam without even undrestanding it, they are so brain washed by the first group that don't even posess the logic to ask about it.
Now if you muslims are from the first group, then you deserve all kind of answers you get here.
And if you are from the second group, then even talking to you is a waste of time and logic.

[saj69]

ex here
i think the real teach of muhammed was different to wat is tought these daYs ,,i dont no ,,but if sum of u remember this story ,about a guy calles ( HAZRAT YOUSAF ) well its a story tht this guy had 3 kids all boys , and yousaf believed in muhammed , and his other 2 brothers did not believe in him , so 1 day they went out buying food 4 the family and all 3 brothers went to buy the food ,,but the other 2 brothers did not like yousaf , and wat they did was try to kill him ,,they took his clothes off and threw him down a vell ( water vel ) and killed a lamb and put the blood on his clothes and came back to their father and told him tht a warewolf attacked and killed yousaf ,, so the father prayed to god 4 truth ,, ,, so ppl went out to hunt tht wolf and they caught 1 wolf , so god gave him a tongue tht could speak, so they askd the wof did u eat yousaf ,, and the wolf replied ,,if i hav eaten yousaf the wolf said, may god make a look like a 15th century mulla ( the islamic calender its bout 500 yrs behind us ) so basically what the wolf said was the muslims in the 14th and 15th century will be wolves and tht is true,, so no 1 no,s wat was the real teaching of muhammed ,, bcus 600 yrs after muhammeds death they bought in the sharia law and scared ppl ,tht if they dont believe in islam and fundametalism , they die and go to hell ,, so without sharia i think islam is not tht bad if it is taught correctly ,,it the sharia baloney ,, tht has screwd the religion up ....

HAPPY DAYZ

[iffo]

Islam spread because of political wars.
Why Islam survived ? That's a no brainer ......... Islam was superior to other religions where ever it went, so people liked it and it made far more sense to them.

[tejpat]

Islam survived because it has amazing thing init, chance of having group sex - 4 wives, 1 husband.
on top of that man can marry any age girl and when he feels bored of the old ones, its very easy to get rid of them.

[pr126]

Islam has survived because of this:

The Terrifying Brilliance of the Islamic Memeplex

The three elements that make for a successful meme are fecundity, fidelity, and longevity. In other words, if a meme makes lots of copies of itself, copies itself accurately, and lasts long enough to make copies into other minds, it is a successful meme. All else being equal, the meme that makes more copies, or copies with more fidelity, or lasts longer in the mind, will always out-compete a meme that does any of these less effectively.

Now, with that understanding, here's my point: If you were going to deliberately design a combination of memes with the purpose of making a memeplex that could eventually dominate the world — one that would eventually out-compete every other memeplex — you would be hard-pressed to do better than Islam.

Let's look at some of the individual memes within the Islamic memeplex:

1. A standardized version of the memeplex is written down, which makes for perfect replication fidelity. This is something basic to several religions and isn't an Islamic invention, but it is an important factor in the success of Islam.

Something only transmitted orally can change over time, but something written will be identical a thousand years from now, and with modern printing presses, can be reproduced in the millions, giving it enormous fecundity and fidelity.

2. The Koran includes instructions for its own spread. It tells believers they must spread Islam. It is their holy duty to bring Mohammad's warnings and Islamic law to every corner of the world.

3. The memeplex includes instructions for its own preservation, protection, and replication fidelity. The Koran, the most important of the Islamic holy books, directly tells its followers that they can never change or modify or "modernize" any of the teachings within the memeplex. It is a capital sin to try to do so. The memeplex ensures its own preservation this way.

These first three memes are pretty standard for several successful religions. But now it gets interesting...

4. Islam commands its followers to create a government that supports it. This may be one of the most brilliant innovations in Islam. Islam is the only religion that uses it. Other groups of religious people have had political aspirations, but no other major religious group orders its followers — as a religious duty — to create a government that follows its own system of law.

Islam has a system of law, called Shari'a, and all Muslims are obligated to continually work toward making their government — wherever they are — follow it. Because of some of the other memes added to Islam, you will see that this political addition to the memeplex has significant consequences. I think this is Islam's most brilliant innovation, and also the most terrifying to non-Muslims.

5. Permission to spread the memeplex by war. This is another brilliant innovation. Although some other religions have spread themselves using force, they had very little justification from their own religious doctrines.

Not so with Islam. Expanding by conquest is very much accepted and encouraged by the memeplex. The poor non-Muslims not living in an Islamic state need to be saved from the sin of following laws other than Allah's. If they won't voluntarily change their laws to Shari'a, then it is the duty of Muslim warriors to insist. The world cannot be at peace until every government on earth follows the laws of Allah.

Mohammad's own experience showed the example — an example, says the Koran, that every Muslim should follow. For ten years Mohammad tried to spread Islam by peaceful means. After ten years he had a paltry 150 converts. But he changed tactics and started using warfare, slaughter, executions, and assassination, and in a relatively short time, he converted tens of thousands, and after his followers died, they used the same tactics and converted millions.

The use of warfare combines powerfully with the instruction to create an Islamic state. So Islam spread quickly as their armies got bigger. They conquered and set up Islamic states, most of which have lasted to this day, and as you'll see, the laws within an Islamic state make it very advantageous to convert to Islam.

This is one of the most effective methods ever invented for getting a memeplex into huge numbers of minds. It's a method of control and indoctrination similar to those used successfully in communist and totalitarian states. But as you discover below, Islam makes unique use of the power of the law to enforce complete conversion to the memeplex.

6. Lands must be conquered. Lands that Islam has lost must be reconquered, like Spain and Israel, for example. The Islamic empire must continually expand. Contraction is bad, expansion is good. So if a land was once Islamic and now it is not, that is contraction, and must be remedied.

According to this meme, the earth is Allah's. If there are parts of the earth not following Islamic law, it is the duty of the faithful to gain control of that land and establish Shari'a. It is a sin to let it be.

7. The memeplex provides for new soldiers by allowing polygamy. A Muslim man can marry up to four wives, and he can have sex with as many slave girls as he wishes.

The Koran especially encourages men to marry widows. This is an important meme to add if you are going to be losing a lot of soldiers in war. You need some way of replenishing your army. You don't want the memeplex to die out from a lack of offspring.

8. It is a punishable offense to criticize Islam. You can see why this one is a good supporting meme for the memeplex. It helps curb any memes that would reduce the authority of Islamic memes. This one, like many of the others, is good for the memeplex, but bad for people. This one limits freedom of speech.

9. You can't leave Islam once you're in. This is an interesting one. It is actually illegal in Islamic states to convert out of Islam. This is a critical part of Shari'a law. Someone who has rejected Islam who was once a Muslim is an "apostate." This is a crime and a sin, and the punishment for it is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter).

Obviously, you can see why this meme has been included in the memeplex, but this one has actually caused Islam a problem because those who are following Islam to the letter consider more "moderate" Muslims (those who want to ignore or alter the more violent passages of the Koran) to be apostates. Since the punishment for apostates is death, fundamentalist Muslims are fighting modernizing Muslims all over the world, and keeping many rebellious, modernizing Muslims from speaking up for fear of death.

Every time a group of Muslims decides that maybe Islam should be updated for the 21st century and maybe women should have some rights or maybe the government should be more democratic, the devout Muslims call them apostates and try to kill them.

The memeplex is protecting its own fidelity (the original memeplex cannot be altered). This is not good for the organisms (the Muslim human beings), but it's great for the memeplex.

Another meme in Shari'a law says it's against the law for anyone to try to convert a Muslim to another religion. Again, this is a meme to help protect the fidelity of the memeplex.

10. Islam must be your first allegiance. This is a great meme to add if the goal is world domination. You are a Muslim first, before any allegiance you give to your family, your tribe, or your country.

This does two things: It causes a unity of people across borders, and it allows the group to grow bigger than any other entity. In other words, the "Nation of Islam" can grow bigger than any country, no matter how large (which gives the group a massive numerical advantage).

There are 18 more points. Read on.

[aceaxe2]

Because muslims too stupid , they believe in desert marauder

[Gauge123]

Why did the belief that the sun revolved around the earth survive for yonks? Since civilisation...at least 7000 years...and so primitive man...

It eventually was exposed as ignorance.

So be it with everything else, and all you hold on to with utter stupidity.

[iffo]

Why did the belief that the sun revolved around the earth survive for yonks? Since civilisation...at least 7000 years...and so primitive man...

It eventually was exposed as ignorance.

So be it with everything else, and all you hold on to with utter stupidity.

Islam makes more sense to people than any other religion, that's why people are still attracted to it in west despite no preaching or going door to door knocking by musims.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1122211/2 ... _to_islam/