Yohan wrote:There are a group of Hindu fanatics in this forum who hate all religions that did not originate in India. Their attitude comes from ther own inferiority complex.
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Yohan wrote:There are a group of Hindu fanatics in this forum who hate all religions that did not originate in India. Their attitude comes from ther own inferiority complex.
Wootah wrote:It might be in the end how God treats outsiders but it certainly isn't how Christians are and should be treating outsiders. Clearly if you and I are aware how God will treat outsiders is bad and I don't want that then how I treat outsiders now will be to help them. It's why I think people should be more willing to understand how the 'Abrahamic faiths' are different. You'll never understand Islam unless you do. Islam thinks it will rule the world. Christianity thinks Satan rules the world. Power now will be nothing later.
Wootah wrote:Why is logic pathetic? You might not like it but it's just words on a page. You can defeat the logic and we can all leave Christianity any time.
Wootah wrote:On the issue of why God can't make bad people good, of course he can, but what is the value in that.
God can just make robots as well. And if God wants to make free willed beings then I suspect he is willing to respect that free will. Why aren't you willing to just go with reason? Sure disbelieve if you want but that doesn't mean being rude or insulting logic.
Wootah wrote:I have never thought of myself like that.
I think it shows that God prefers reality. God said things would be a certain way and he is willing to respect that. It is why you can trust God.
Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?
byteresistor wrote:Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?
This mafia god also happens to have an ego and obviously he needs some people to stroke it for him. What's the use of power if you don't have anyone to tell you that you are in power?![]()
And a mafia boss does create a "heaven", for the people close to him. This "heaven" is the luxurious lifestyle his lackeys get to enjoy, aslong as they don't do anything to cross him.
Wootah wrote:by the grace of the mafia boss some earn favour and others don't but that is just tyranny.
byteresistor wrote:Wootah wrote:by the grace of the mafia boss some earn favour and others don't but that is just tyranny.
Exactly. Now if you could tell me what makes a god who creates a heaven and a hell any different from that concept?
Wootah wrote:I was implying there is no such heaven if the god is evil. No one is loved and priceless and valued by the mafia boss in that scenario.
But a god that makes heaven and hell clearly means for one place to be good and the other bad. Everything else implies there is no heaven only hell.
Wootah wrote:But a god that makes heaven and hell clearly means for one place to be good and the other bad.
Well let's look on what grounds this god sends people into hell, shall we?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
sexually immoral: the bible considers almost everything immoral when it comes to sex, I guess were all back to the good old missionary position and thinking about work when we're having sex. Lust is a sin afterall.
idolaters: sorry catholics
adulterers, thieves, swindlers: an infinite punishment for a finite crime
homosexuals: yeah, do I even need to say anything here?
the greedy: sorry capitalism
drunkards: a punishment for hurting oneself. really???
PTB wrote:no no no. all an allergory.
Hinduism and Buddhism offer much more sophisticated worldviews (or philosophies) and I see nothing wrong with these religions.
Use the comment space below to present your rebuttal. Let's try and be clear and concise, as if this were to be used in a debate.
byteresistor wrote:Wootah wrote:Can you comprehend that a mafia boss or an evil God would not create heaven?
This mafia god also happens to have an ego and obviously he needs some people to stroke it for him. What's the use of power if you don't have anyone to tell you that you are in power?![]()
And a mafia boss does create a "heaven", for the people close to him. This "heaven" is the luxurious lifestyle his lackeys get to enjoy, aslong as they don't do anything to cross him.
wootah wrote:I was implying there is no such heaven if the god is evil.
skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.
byteresistor wrote:skynightblaze wrote:There is a slight difference though.MAfias offer you heaven for the bad work you do while these christians can claim that their God offers heaven for the good work the christians do.
This is subjective. Bad work from who's pov? I don't consider some of the things the god of the bible tells his followers to do that good.
jaetwee wrote:Have you been to heaven? No.
Have you been to hell? No.
Have you had a close call with death? No.
If you have had a close call with death, have you found any flaws in the scientifically explanation of your experience? Either way, no.
Have you seen God (really seen him like you see your best friend)? No.
Have you ever met a Christian that will desperately try to change the subject when the existence of Dinosaurs comes into play? Yes
Have you ever met somebody who follows a religion and doesn't question it's values openly, but gets all defensive when you question why they blindly follow that religion? Yes
If most of your answers are the same as mine, than you are either atheist or need to open your eyes and see the fraud of these "gods".
Jesus was not a messenger of god, he was just a good man who wanted to free his nations people of slavery.
Scientific explanation of the 10 plagues of egypt from the bible.
1. An outbreak in a red algae affects all life looks like blood. This algae kills the fish and poisons the water. The fish rot and stink. The crops had no water to irrigate them.
2. The algae drove all the frogs from the water. They died because they could not access their food source.
3. With the frogs dead, the gnats were able to freely and quickly breed, creating an outbreak in their population.
Google the real causes of the ten plagues of egypt to find out more.
Science can explain the "works" of Christianity and so forth, but religion fails to explain science.
Once, "god" told the people the world was flat. Would you believe him if he told you that now?
Question your Christianity. Help fight the lies of "god".
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