Every day, a woman is killed in Turkey in the name of “honor,” something that should be stopped immediately, the United Nations Population Fund, or UNFPA, said in a statement for International Women’s Day.
“Four out of 10 women are facing violence ... and this should be stopped urgently,” said the formal statement, which was issued by Zahidul Huque, the UNFPA Representative in Turkey.
Figures reported by the Turkish press recently show that an average of five women are killed each day in Turkey. Last year, 72 women – including 10 under the age of 18 – were murdered in Eastern and Southeastern Anatolia, according to a report released for Women’s Day by the Human Rights Association, or İHD’s, branch in the southeastern province of Diyarbakır. In the same region, 113 women, including 28 minor girls, committed suicide and 73, including 10 minor girls, attempted to take their own lives in 2010, according to the same İHD statistics, the Doğan news agency, or DHA, reported Saturday.
The İHD’s Diyarbakır branch also reported that nine women were raped or harassed by security forces, while seven women in the region were forced into prostitution by family violence last year.
Almost 1 million girls in Turkey are not going to school and 4 million women have no formal education, according to the UNFPA report. The organization said it was working intensively with Turkish stakeholders to promote an enabling environment for women-friendly communities. “This would be done by mainstreaming gender into the planning process of local authorities through local dialogue with women’s NGOs, grassroots organizations and governmental institutions at national and local levels. We expect some private philanthropic organizations to join this innovative program,” its statement said.
The UNFPA’s Turkey office is working in close partnership with the Turkish government, civil-society organizations, other U.N. agencies and the media to fulfill Turkey’s commitments to the Millennium Development Goals, the International Conference on Population and Development, or ICPD, Program of Action, Turkey’s EU accession and the ratification of the Optional Protocol to Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, or CEDAW, the organization said.
Its sad that women are abused in Turkey. I am the biggest supporter of women. I think women should be loved, cared, respected, pampered. A smiling or laughing happy woman or girl is the most pleasant site, women tears are most precious, men should not put tears in any women eyes.
But unfortunately women are abused in most of the countries, not sure why you decided to pick Turkey's statistics, perhaps because it it muslim. Here is what going on in Spain
iffo wrote:But unfortunately women are abused in most of the countries, not sure why you decided to pick Turkey's statistics, perhaps because it it muslim.
Because women are abused in the name of Islamic religious culture.
iffo wrote:Its sad that women are abused in Turkey. I am the biggest supporter of women. I think women should be loved, cared, respected, pampered. A smiling or laughing happy woman or girl is the most pleasant site, women tears are most precious, men should not put tears in any women eyes.
But unfortunately women are abused in most of the countries, not sure why you decided to pick Turkey's statistics, perhaps because it it muslim. Here is what going on in Spain
How about treating women as equal human beings with same rights as men? Why such patronizing attitude?
In Spain, women have legal recourse to seek help and go after the abusers. The police and law will treat her with respect. More importantly, no one will try to use the Christian justification. She will not be blamed. People will understand that it is not her fault.
In Turkey, the abuse is justified based on Islam. The law will treat woman with contempt and she will be stigmatized and ostracized for the rest of her life. She will be balmed for "bringing that to herself, it must be her fault" etc. She may even be killed by her father, brother or husband and the killers will be feted by the community.
वासुदेव कुटुम्बकम्। ساری دنیا ايک ہی خاندان ہۓ۔ The Whole World is a Family.
iffo wrote:Its sad that women are abused in Turkey. I am the biggest supporter of women. I think women should be loved, cared, respected, pampered. A smiling or laughing happy woman or girl is the most pleasant site, women tears are most precious, men should not put tears in any women eyes.
But unfortunately women are abused in most of the countries, not sure why you decided to pick Turkey's statistics, perhaps because it it muslim. Here is what going on in Spain
How about treating women as equal human beings with same rights as men? Why such patronizing attitude?
In Spain, women have legal recourse to seek help and go after the abusers. The police and law will treat her with respect. More importantly, no one will try to use the Christian justification. She will not be blamed. People will understand that it is not her fault.
In Turkey, the abuse is justified based on Islam. The law will treat woman with contempt and she will be stigmatized and ostracized for the rest of her life. She will be balmed for "bringing that to herself, it must be her fault" etc. She may even be killed by her father, brother or husband and the killers will be feted by the community.
O mom, O mom, O mom O Mom you are my earth you are my sky I see god in you This world was empty before when I find you I find everything whether human or animal you as a mother so kind you are sea of motherhood I see my god in you Where your feet are that's where my heaven is My eyes are used to of seeing you Seeing your face is praying for me You are my identity in god's world My faith is my mom
and go back to India instead of selfishly enjoying Canadian welfare and serve your mother and spent time with her. And every night before going to bed kiss your wife and kiss her in the morning, and wake up in the middle of night and kiss her while she is sleeping, because she is also a mom and woman.
Islam has given the status to woman that no religion has given before , as a mother as a wife as a daughter ....... no religion ever comes close in elevating the status of woman the way Islam did. .............
You are right Iffo, as long as she is a mother, a wife or a daughter, islam certainly wants us to think they are treated well. Afterall, no one wants to think that islamic men disabuse their property. What happens if she is not a wife, a daughter or a mother? What becomes of her then? Do tell. I think your islamic status for women only applies when the woman is some islamic male's property. I found it very telling that you only bothered to apply the status to mothers, wives and daughters, property according to the koran.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal
katlike wrote:You are right Iffo, as long as she is a mother, a wife or a daughter, islam certainly wants us to think they are treated well. Afterall, no one wants to think that islamic men disabuse their property. What happens if she is not a wife, a daughter or a mother? What becomes of her then? Do tell. I think your islamic status for women only applies when the woman is some islamic male's property. I found it very telling that you only bothered to apply the status to mothers, wives and daughters, property according to the koran.
Very weird question, now tell me which girl is out there who was born on by herself with out becoming someone's daughter first.
katlike wrote:I have a friend who was an only child whose parents died when she was 6.
Well she was someone's daughter. Our religion is the one that saved daughters from getting buried alive. We are suppose to respect and love them all.
BTW here is the status given by your bible to woman. If you need more please let me know I have many more.
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)
It is certainly a good thing my parents did not have you for their religious adviser, I am curious what would islam have us do with her? Keep in mind she is not a daughter, a wife or a mother. Those are your redeeming qualities for a woman. What should my parents have done with her?
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction. Blaise Pascal
katlike wrote:It is certainly a good thing my parents did not have you for their religious adviser, I am curious what would islam have us do with her? Keep in mind she is not a daughter, a wife or a mother. Those are your redeeming qualities for a woman. What should my parents have done with her?
I am sure you would like to have the following status of woman given by your own bible.
"When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)
"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)
"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)
iffo wrote:and go back to India instead of selfishly enjoying Canadian welfare and serve your mother and spent time with her. And every night before going to bed kiss your wife and kiss her in the morning, and wake up in the middle of night and kiss her while she is sleeping, because she is also a mom and woman.
Islam has given the status to woman that no religion has given before , as a mother as a wife as a daughter ....... no religion ever comes close in elevating the status of woman the way Islam did. .............
I want to go back to Sindh, my homeland. Do you think I will be allowed to live in peace as a human being? Or, I would be treated as a kaffir? iffo.
If you had any sense, you would talk like a civilized person, but now my negative view of Muslims got reinforced even more. But what can we expect from a Muslim? I know what we speak about Muslims and Islam is true, you know it too. Instead of understanding what we are saying, you lash out. You make yourself look like a moron.
Let us look at the status women have under Islam:
Women get whipped by religious thugs in Saudi Arabia if they let their abayas slip a little from their faces. God forbid, if her face is visible. Girls and women in Peshawar in the Land of Pure get killed if they venture out of their houses. In Afghanistan, Muslims men throw acid on the faces of little girls walking to school. Women teachers in Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa and Balochistan get their throats slit for teaching to girls. Testimony of a woman is worth half as much as that of a man in the courts. Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Women cannot be judges in Iran. Women are not allowed to sing in Iran and Afghanistan.
Do you know what karo-kari is you moron? Karo-kari is a custom among Sindhi Muslims, do you know what I am talking about you nincompoop? Man, or mother in law or brother in law kills the woman after accusing her of adultery without any proof, and it is Legal.
iffo, that's how Islam teaches you to respect women? Islam respects women, what a load of crap.
वासुदेव कुटुम्बकम्। ساری دنیا ايک ہی خاندان ہۓ۔ The Whole World is a Family.
iffo wrote:and go back to India instead of selfishly enjoying Canadian welfare and serve your mother and spent time with her. And every night before going to bed kiss your wife and kiss her in the morning, and wake up in the middle of night and kiss her while she is sleeping, because she is also a mom and woman.
Islam has given the status to woman that no religion has given before , as a mother as a wife as a daughter ....... no religion ever comes close in elevating the status of woman the way Islam did. .............
I want to go back to Sindh, my homeland. Do you think I will be allowed to live in peace as a human being? Or, I would be treated as a kaffir? iffo.
If you had any sense, you would talk like a civilized person, but now my negative view of Muslims got reinforced even more. But what can we expect from a Muslim? I know what we speak about Muslims and Islam is true, you know it too. Instead of understanding what we are saying, you lash out. You make yourself look like a moron.
Let us look at the status women have under Islam:
Women get whipped by religious thugs in Saudi Arabia if they let their abayas slip a little from their faces. God forbid, if her face is visible. Girls and women in Peshawar in the Land of Pure get killed if they venture out of their houses. In Afghanistan, Muslims men throw acid on the faces of little girls walking to school. Women teachers in Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa and Balochistan get their throats slit for teaching to girls. Testimony of a woman is worth half as much as that of a man in the courts. Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Women cannot be judges in Iran. Women are not allowed to sing in Iran and Afghanistan.
Do you know what karo-kari is you moron? Karo-kari is a custom among Sindhi Muslims, do you know what I am talking about you nincompoop? Man, or mother in law or brother in law kills the woman after accusing her of adultery without any proof, and it is Legal.
iffo, that's how Islam teaches you to respect women? Islam respects women, what a load of crap.
I did not say anything uncivilized, I just told you serve your mother and instead of enjoying Canadian govt welfare. Your mom is not in Sindh, go to your India. Karo-kari or honor killing or some backward stuff going on the Afghanistan or Afghan/Pak border the most backward place in the world that's all you know. honor killing happens in India as well, its roots are in backwardness and old traditions not Islam.
In Shivganga, 20 year-old Megala and 24-year-old Sivakumar, were told that they could not marry as they were related. Despite Megala’s love, her family married her off in June. She eloped with Sivakumar ten days after the wedding. Her family traced the couple and killed Sivakumar with sickles.
Ram wrote:Women are not allowed to sing in Iran and Afghanistan.
I will make an exception here. Afghan women are allowed to sing in public now. Here is Nazia Iqbal (what a beautiful face she has!) making those Pathans go nuts with her songs. Not sure if she is singing in Pakistan or in Kabul.
iffo wrote:I did not say anything uncivilized, I just told you serve your mother and instead of enjoying Canadian govt welfare. Your mom is not in Sindh, go to your India. Karo-kari or honor killing or some backward stuff going on the Afghanistan or Afghan/Pak border the most backward place in the world that's all you know. honor killing happens in India as well, its roots are in backwardness and old traditions not Islam.
Why I should not go to Sindh? I was born in Sindh. I am a Sindhi. My language is Sindhi. I was forced to leave because I am not a Muslim. I had to leave my home. What happened to your tolerant Islam? The tolerance of Islam is only good if I stay out of Sindh, is that it? iffo, you are a hypocrite, you only shout that Islam is this and that, but you can never hide your true colours.
You mean to say that after being Muslims for hundreds of years, Muslims have not learned the real Islam? Why do Muslims lash out when they loose the debate? What is the purpose of personal insults? Every time a Muslims looses the argument, he or she starts throwing insults. It happens every time, whether online or in person.
I know, honour killings happen in India, so does it make okay for Turks and Pakistanis to kill their women?
वासुदेव कुटुम्बकम्। ساری دنیا ايک ہی خاندان ہۓ۔ The Whole World is a Family.
iffo wrote:I did not say anything uncivilized, I just told you serve your mother and instead of enjoying Canadian govt welfare. Your mom is not in Sindh, go to your India. Karo-kari or honor killing or some backward stuff going on the Afghanistan or Afghan/Pak border the most backward place in the world that's all you know. honor killing happens in India as well, its roots are in backwardness and old traditions not Islam.
Why I should not go to Sindh? I was born in Sindh. I am a Sindhi. My language is Sindhi. I was forced to leave because I am not a Muslim. I had to leave my home. What happened to your tolerant Islam? The tolerance of Islam is only good if I stay out of Sindh, is that it? iffo, you are a hypocrite, you only shout that Islam is this and that, but you can never hide your true colours.
You mean to say that after being Muslims for hundreds of years, Muslims have not learned the real Islam? Why do Muslims lash out when they loose the debate? What is the purpose of personal insults? Every time a Muslims looses the argument, he or she starts throwing insults. It happens every time, whether online or in person.
I know, honour killings happen in India, so does it make okay for Turks and Pakistanis to kill their women?
Not sure what insult insult you taking about, all I said you need to go back and serve your old mom. Instead of enjoying your life in Canada.
Every time you get caught you say 'I admit its happening in India as well'. Before getting caught you try to give this impression that evil exists only in muslim countries. All the things you accuse muslims of are happening in your India. Just like every where else crime happen against women in Turkey as well. Its wrong but Turkey is not the only country where it happens.
Regarding honor killing like I said it cultural and old futile traditions and practices nothing to do with any religion. That's why it is happening among hindus as well.
About you going to Sindh, no you should not go there, because you not going to be nice there. Hateful person that you are and hate that you have for muslims, you will end up exposing it to them and will piss them off and will get your ass kicked.
iffo wrote:About you going to Sindh, no you should not go there, because you not going to be nice there. Hateful person that you are and hate that you have for muslims, you will end up exposing it to them and will piss them off and will get your ass kicked.
I am the victim of Muslims and you are calling me hateful? Only a Muslim will accuse of hate when I am asserting my rights. I don't hate Muslims because Muslims are the victims of Islam. I feel sorry for them. But the real problem is that Muslims only see their own side. They are not interested in understanding that non-Muslims have rights too.
If 150 million Muslims can live in India, why can't 15 or 20 million Hindus live in Pakistan? If I can live in peace in Sindh, why would I hate Muslims? I hate the fact that I had to flee because I am not a Muslim, and you are accusing me of being hateful?
You talk as if Muslims are very loving and tolerant. You are a hypocrite.
वासुदेव कुटुम्बकम्। ساری دنیا ايک ہی خاندان ہۓ۔ The Whole World is a Family.
iffo wrote:About you going to Sindh, no you should not go there, because you not going to be nice there. Hateful person that you are and hate that you have for muslims, you will end up exposing it to them and will piss them off and will get your ass kicked.
I am the victim of Muslims and you are calling me hateful? Only a Muslim will accuse of hate when I am asserting my rights. I don't hate Muslims because Muslims are the victims of Islam. I feel sorry for them. But the real problem is that Muslims only see their own side. They are not interested in understanding that non-Muslims have rights too.
If 150 million Muslims can live in India, why can't 15 or 20 million Hindus live in Pakistan? If I can live in peace in Sindh, why would I hate Muslims? I hate the fact that I had to flee because I am not a Muslim, and you are accusing me of being hateful?
You talk as if Muslims are very loving and tolerant. You are a hypocrite.
Nope you are not a good candidate to go there, you will get into trouble. Because you have so much hate that there is no hope and it can not be reverted, it has absorbed in your body way too deep. Now for a normal Indian which I like a lot, they are good people with good heart, infact I like Indians better than Paki as I find Indians very humble and Paki little stiff neck, I have no problem they going to Pak and I am sure nobody will bug them there, as there are lot of Parsi living in Karachi happily & peacefully.
Ram wrote:I am the victim of Muslims and you are calling me hateful? Only a Muslim will accuse of hate when I am asserting my rights. I don't hate Muslims because Muslims are the victims of Islam. I feel sorry for them. But the real problem is that Muslims only see their own side. They are not interested in understanding that non-Muslims have rights too.
If 150 million Muslims can live in India, why can't 15 or 20 million Hindus live in Pakistan? If I can live in peace in Sindh, why would I hate Muslims? I hate the fact that I had to flee because I am not a Muslim, and you are accusing me of being hateful?
You talk as if Muslims are very loving and tolerant. You are a hypocrite.
Nope you are not a good candidate to go there, you will get into trouble. Because you have so much hate that there is no hope and it can not be reverted, it has absorbed in your body way too deep.
So according to you iffo, fighting for you right to live as a free human being in your own country means filling yourself with hate, and the way to show that you do not "have so much hate" in you is by: become Muslim or a slave of a Muslim and denounce all your rights in your forefathers land in the favor of the Muslims? Way to show Islam's tolerance for non-Muslims!
iffo wrote:Nope you are not a good candidate to go there, you will get into trouble. Because you have so much hate that there is no hope and it can not be reverted, it has absorbed in your body way too deep. Now for a normal Indian which I like a lot, they are good people with good heart, infact I like Indians better than Paki as I find Indians very humble and Paki little stiff neck, I have no problem they going to Pak and I am sure nobody will bug them there, as there are lot of Parsi living in Karachi happily & peacefully.
I am a candidate? Am I applying for a job? Your statement (underlined) shows that intolerance in the name of Islam will always be part of your psyche. You cannot help but justify your intolerance. Islam and intolerance go hand in hand.
Muslims are allergic to facts. You bring out the truth in Muslim countries you get accused of hatred. If I state that the rights of non-Muslims should be respected, I get accused of hatred.
Do you have freedom of religion in Pakistan? The religious minorities make up only 3% of population. That is about 5 million non-Muslims. There are only 100 000 Parsis in the world and 95% 0f them live in India, so how many Parsis are there in Karachi? May be 2000? Is that a lot? You let 1000 or 2000 Parsis live in Pakistan but you have killed hundreds of Christians and Hindus in last 2 or 3 years.
Are Parsis allowed to build their fire temples in Pakistan? Parsis survive because they know their place in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. If a Parsi were to demand equal rights with Muslims, do you think they would be allowed to live? Parsis are so few in numbers, that 99.999% of Pakistani never seen one.
Are you doing special favour to Parsis because you let them live in peace? Don't you think that it is their right as the citizens of Pakistan? Why are you bragging about it?
वासुदेव कुटुम्बकम्। ساری دنیا ايک ہی خاندان ہۓ۔ The Whole World is a Family.
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