The LIES about Muhammad

[iffo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVXwa7N3 ... detailpage

[Cassie]

... the lies that Muhammad was a good person and prophet. No good person would wage war without just cause AND having exhausted all possible avenues of peace. No good person would enshrine gender inequality. No good person would commit polygamy. No good person would enslave women and children. No good person would create the sort of xenophobic, pre-medieval misogynistic religion that persecutes others. Just open your eyes - millions of people living today are better human beings than Muhammad.

Was Muhammad a prophet of God? Well, it has to be firstly proven there is a god before you even come to question Muhammad's right to be a prophet of this god. As it is, we only have the words of a delusional genocidal narcissistic murderous polygamist child-enslaving bandit. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

[iffo]

... the lies that Muhammad was a good person and prophet. No good person would wage war without just cause AND having exhausted all possible avenues of peace. No good person would enshrine gender inequality. No good person would commit polygamy. No good person would enslave women and children. No good person would create the sort of xenophobic, pre-medieval misogynistic religion that persecutes others. Just open your eyes - millions of people living today are better human beings than Muhammad.

Was Muhammad a prophet of God? Well, it has to be firstly proven there is a god, before you even come to question Muhammad's right to be a prophet of this god. As it is, we only have the words of a delusional genocidal narcissistic murderous polygamist child-enslaving bandit. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

You did not even watch the video and came back with a response in 20 secs. Same old copy and paste.

[Cassie]

What was wrong with my post? Everything I wrote is correct. The Quran itself betrays Muhammad's evil nature. The war-mongering, polygamy, sex with captives, taking of booty, encouraging persecution of disbelievers are ALL in the Quran.

You may deny the hadiths because you are ashamed of Muhammad's behavior and character, but you CAN'T deny the Quran.

BTW, I typed my post out - so you can't accuse me of copy-pasting. You are the copy-paster who only linked to someone else's youtube.

[iffo]

What was wrong with my post? Everything I wrote is correct. The Quran itself betrays Muhammad's evil nature. The war-mongering, polygamy, sex with captives, taking of booty, encouraging persecution of disbelievers are ALL in the Quran.

You may deny the hadiths because you are ashamed of Muhammad's behavior and character, but you CAN'T deny the Quran.

BTW, I typed my post out - so you can't accuse me of copy-pasting. You are the copy-paster who only linked to someone else's youtube.

watch the video and educate yourself like a nice little lady, stop playing your same old broken record.

[Cassie]

Few people here would waste their time with dawaganda, particularly loooong missionary sugar-coating - we prefer to argue from the source material because we don't care for missionary lies. Dawaganda, in general, are a waste of time here because Muslims already believe in the dawaganda, and non-Muslims dismiss them out of hand as sugar-coating apologetics.

Just be honest, and tell us what NEW information would make us change our minds about Muhammad.

Did the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad did not wage war and cause SLAUGHTER IN THE LAND? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.

Did the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad did not commit or encourage polygamy? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.

Did the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad did not utter 9:29? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.

Did the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad did not encourage gender inequality? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.

Did the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad made looting illegal? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.


Diud the dawagandist tell you that Muhammad made sex with slaves / captives illegal? Please provide the time stamp so I can check the youtube.



Over to you. I await your reply with bated breath.

[iffo]

Watch the video as I do not talk and waste my time with ignorants who know only one side of the story.

[Cassie]

Wow, there are two sides to making slaughter in the land? What are the excuses that you can think of to whitewash Muhammad's war-mongering, looting, polygamy, sex-slavery, and hatred/persecution of non-Muslims as revealed by the Quran?

No wonder Muslims seem a totally different species from the rest of humanity. We tend to view people who commit the sorts of things described in the Quran as crimes. You Muslims not only view them as virtues but you think their perpetrator is the best human being ever. It's not surprising that muslims are bottom of the heap.

[iffo]

Wow, there are two sides to making slaughter in the land? What are the excuses that you can think of to whitewash Muhammad's war-mongering, looting, polygamy, sex-slavery, and hatred/persecution of non-Muslims as revealed by the Quran?

No wonder Muslims seem a totally different species from the rest of humanity. We tend to view people who commit the sorts of things described in the Quran as crimes. You Muslims not only view them as virtues but you think their perpetrator is the best human being ever. It's not surprising that muslims are bottom of the heap.

watch the video please, you asusual having a lonely/frustrating night in the country.

[Cassie]

You're wasting my time. You can't even defend your evil prophet.

[iffo]

You're wasting my time. You can't even defend your evil prophet.

watch the video ......... or find someone else to give you company over the weekend, leave me alone.

[MesMorial]

Why is it necessary to justify ahadith when you are supposed to follow the only hadith required for guidance in Islam? The Qur'an says that Muhammad had an exalted reputation and standard of character.

[Cassie]

In case you didn't know, Mesmorial, the Quran also says that Muhammad waged war and caused SLAUGHTER in the land. That alone disqualifies him as a good person. The Quran also says that Muhammad practised polygamy, sexual slavery, gender inequality, looting and banditry, and hatred / persecution of non-Muslims.

You seem to think that the Quran shows Muhammad to be a saint. He was far from a saint. Just claiming that he was a perfect person whose behavior Muslims should emulate doesn't cut it. No wonder Muslims are at the bottom of the heap of humanity. Your moral compass and thought processes leave a great deal to be desired.

[iffo]

In case you didn't know, Mesmorial, the Quran also says that Muhammad waged war and caused SLAUGHTER in the land. That alone disqualifies him as a good person. The Quran also says that Muhammad practised polygamy, sexual slavery, gender inequality, looting and banditry, and hatred / persecution of non-Muslims.

You seem to think that the Quran shows Muhammad to be a saint. He was far from a saint. Just claiming that he was a perfect person whose behavior Muslims should emulate doesn't cut it. No wonder Muslims are at the bottom of the heap of humanity. Your moral compass and thought processes leave a great deal to be desired.

Did you watch the video, its for folks like you. First you need to educate yourself to qualify for discussion instead of playing your old broken record again and again. I have read Spencer's "Truth about Muhammad" and this video is also related to it. I have also read "Lies about Muhammad".

[Cassie]

I don't care about the apologetics of dawagandist preacher - I want to know if the Quran is wrong about Muhammad waging war, causing slaughter in the land, practising polygamy, sexual slavery and looting / banditry. Those facts are in the Quran - no dawagandist apologetics will change them. Hence, Muhammad was an evil man. I know Robert Spencer based his debating position using hadiths. If you notice, I am confining my debating position on the Quran alone - as both you and Mesmorial believe that the hadiths are lies against Muhammad. So, let us confine ourselves to the Quran - which still betray Muhammad as evil personified.

[pr126]

Apparently Iffo is certain that watching his video is a life changing experience.

Everything you knew about Muhammad will instantly disappear, and you will find a kind, good hearted saintly man, who only wanted the best for all mankind.

Please ignore the Muslim texts which do describe Muhammad in the most unfavourable light.
Like he is dangling a set of keys in front of our eyes, and saying "Look, shiny!"

iffo, the delusional pagan idolater, with Muhammad as one of his idols.
Other idols include the Kaaba, the black stone, the Qur'an, just to mention a few.
Oh, I almost forgot about the ex-stone idol, Allah.

New book just came out: "How to stay a pagan for 14 centuries without ever noticing."

[Sten]

What a load of crap. The Imam just creates strawmen of "Islamophobia" and then debunks his own creations. There was not one time when he mentioned Mohammad's marriage to Ayesha, the massacre of the Banu Qurayza, or the way mohammad took women as the spoils of war. On top of that the video is incredibly boring, since the presenter seems to take ages to say the simplest things. Very amateurish, very tedious, did not address any of the legitimate concerns people have about Mohammad, just spouted strawman after strawman.

In short your video sucked, Iffo. I think you could do a better job at apologetics than these clowns.

[MesMorial]

I don't care about the apologetics of dawagandist preacher - I want to know if the Quran is wrong about Muhammad waging war, causing slaughter in the land, practising polygamy, sexual slavery and looting / banditry. Those facts are in the Quran - no dawagandist apologetics will change them. Hence, Muhammad was an evil man. I know Robert Spencer based his debating position using hadiths. If you notice, I am confining my debating position on the Quran alone - as both you and Mesmorial believe that the hadiths are lies against Muhammad. So, let us confine ourselves to the Quran - which still betray Muhammad as evil personified.

You would lose a debate.

[Cassie]

You would be wrong, Mesmorial. If you care to elaborate, please show how those verses I eluded to are lies. If you can't then my proposition that Muhammad was evil personified stands unrefuted. You are going to come up with excuses, aren't you? Well, in most people's assessment, waging war without exhausting all avenues of peace, looting and banditry, polygamy, sex with slaves, gender inequality, and incitement to hate and persecute others are evil acts. But I'm sure you'll beg to differ, showing yet again that Muslims are a less-developed form of human beings.

[iffo]

What a load of crap. The Imam just creates strawmen of "Islamophobia" and then debunks his own creations. There was not one time when he mentioned Mohammad's marriage to Ayesha, the massacre of the Banu Qurayza, or the way mohammad took women as the spoils of war. On top of that the video is incredibly boring, since the presenter seems to take ages to say the simplest things. Very amateurish, very tedious, did not address any of the legitimate concerns people have about Mohammad, just spouted strawman after strawman.

In short your video sucked, Iffo. I think you could do a better job at apologetics than these clowns.

Sten fair person that I am I always get both side of the argument, you need to read the book "The LIES about Muhammad", it debunks everything Spencer said and you guys say ......... and you will get a totally new picture.