Ideological spectrum from best-worst

[jonnyk]

Hi all,

In this post I'd like to state the following ideologies in order of how good I personally think they are. First I'll just list them without order to show which ones I'm including:
Judaism, Atheists/Agnostics,Quran only WITH code 19, Quran only WITHOUT code 19, Sunni, Shia, Buddhism, Hinduism, Protestant, Catholic, Satanic Elites/NWO(includes Bildererg, Trilateral and CFR), Rational Unitarian, Ahamadiyya, Bahai, Jehovas Witness, Deism, Scientology, Jainism, Sikhs, Non denominational Christians, Satanism
NOW for my proposed order, the most recent being the best and the last the worst:
Quran only WITH code 19 - Atheists/Agnostics - Deism - Rational Unitarian - Quran only WITHOUT code 19 - Non denominational Christians - Jainism - Buddhism - Ahamadiyya - Bahai - Jehovas Witness - Protestant - Catholic - Sikhs - Satanism - Scientology - Hinduism - Shia - Judaism - Sunni - Satanic Elites/NWO(includes Bilderberg, Triateral and CFR)

In sunni islam we have frther sub divisions like Wahabi,Salafi, Deoband, Barelvi, etc the worst of which i consider the Wahabi/Salafi followed closely by the trickster Barelvis, who talk alot about loving Muhammad by feeling him in their hearts but are ready for violence when he's criticized anyways.

I also invite everyone of you to propose an order for these ideologies.

[Idesigner]

Hi all,

In this post I'd like to state the following ideologies in order of how good I personally think they are. First I'll just list them without order to show which ones I'm including:
Judaism, Atheists/Agnostics,Quran only WITH code 19, Quran only WITHOUT code 19, Sunni, Shia, Buddhism, Hinduism, Protestant, Catholic, Satanic Elites/NWO(includes Bildererg, Trilateral and CFR), Rational Unitarian, Ahamadiyya, Bahai, Jehovas Witness, Deism, Scientology, Jainism, Sikhs, Non denominational Christians, Satanism
NOW for my proposed order, the most recent being the best and the last the worst:
Quran only WITH code 19 - Atheists/Agnostics - Deism - Rational Unitarian - Quran only WITHOUT code 19 - Non denominational Christians - Jainism - Buddhism - Ahamadiyya - Bahai - Jehovas Witness - Protestant - Catholic - Sikhs - Satanism - Scientology - Hinduism - Shia - Judaism - Sunni - Satanic Elites/NWO(includes Bilderberg, Triateral and CFR)

In sunni islam we have frther sub divisions like Wahabi,Salafi, Deoband, Barelvi, etc the worst of which i consider the Wahabi/Salafi followed closely by the trickster Barelvis, who talk alot about loving Muhammad by feeling him in their hearts but are ready for violence when he's criticized anyways.

I also invite everyone of you to propose an order for these ideologies.

Dear J.K.,

It all depends on who you ask. We all know you are Koran only muslims. and hence the highest ranking.

[jonnyk]

@Idesigner

Well yes llogically if I believe in an ideology I'd rank it highest otherwise i wouldnt be believing in it, correct? BUT did you note I made a distinction even btw two Quran Alone Muslims? ALSO this is a whole spectrum. Other than Quran only would you agree with rest of my spectrum? How would you put them.

[pr126]

@ jk

Imagine that your "belief" is a meme, (a unit of information), akin to a computer virus.

Among other malicious instructions built in by the writer of the code [Muhammad] is the imperative to the spread and replicate the virus to as many other computers as possible.

The meme is Islam, the code to replicate and spread is dawa, the computers are the human brain.
I have a virus guard [ Islam awareness] installed, so the meme (Islam) cannot infect me.
Google viruses of the mind

[jonnyk]

@pr126

Imagine that your "belief" is a meme, (a unit of information), akin to a computer virus.

Among other malicious instructions built in by the writer of the code [Muhammad] is the imperative to the spread and replicate the virus to as many other computers as possible.

The meme is Islam, the code to replicate and spread is dawa, the computers are the human brain.
I have a virus guard [ Islam awareness] installed, so the meme (Islam) cannot infect me.
Google viruses of the mind

JK- Yes I know and agree with all of this. All religions are viruses and sunni/judaism/shittes are amongst the worst. Judaism currently acts like a trojan horse whilst sunnism is active. But there is something which tops even those. That's why I also urge you to watch Jesse Ventura's "conspiracy theory", watch "the obama deception, by Alex Jones" and search on youtube for "george carlin 911" without quotes.
NOW that being said I view Quran Alone Islam mostly that based also on code-19 as not being a virus coz we guys are ready to dispose off ANY interpretation AND EVEN VERSES we might poreviosuly have thought to be Quranic once new info comes in. That can hardly be related to any of what one usually understands as religion. It is a totally different method of thinking and I dare say it comes close to the scientific method. If the scientific mehtod itself were an ideology, Id have put that even before "Quran Alone with code-19".

[ygalg]

I'm curious how exactly Judaism acts as Trojan horse?

[jonnyk]

@ygalg

I'm curious how exactly Judaism acts as Trojan horse?

JK- Simply take a look at the following verses from the OT:
Leviticus:
24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Deuteronomy:
7:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Similar crap is all found in the hadith and sira literature HOWEVER none of these barbaric punishments are found in the Quran. WHO can guarantee that the religious Jews and Rabbis wont act upon these laws again tomorrow? They're clearly there.

[pr126]

HOWEVER none of these barbaric punishments are found in the Quran.

here is one: Quran 5:33

How about cutting off hands ad feet for thieves? Quran 5:38

I am sure there are many more.

[jonnyk]

@pr126

HOWEVER none of these barbaric punishments are found in the Quran.

here is one: Quran 5:33

How about cutting off hands ad feet for thieves? Quran 5:38

I am sure there are many more.

JK- 5:33 on it's own, i.e. without hadith, shows that if someone attacked the messenger physically i.e. wage war, in his time or by impication the believers in this time then those should be warned that there will be a violent defense. NEXT EVEN IF we take 5:38 in the most literal, it just means cut the hands of thieves which is not comparable to any of the death penalties mentioned earlier. HOWEVER even here some Quran Aloners have suggested that this verse can be taken symbolically OR that it is just cutting PART of the hand i.e. to mark it depending on the amount stolen and from whom.

[pr126]

J.K.

Keep spinning.

The Quran doesn't mean what it says. It means what I want it to mean.

Yeah, I know.

[jonnyk]

@pr126

J.K.

Keep spinning.

The Quran doesn't mean what it says. It means what I want it to mean.

Yeah, I know.

JK- How many times do i have to repeat that no book means anything on it's own? It needs interpretation. The Quran can be interpreted in many ways, but not necessarily infinite. At least admit that much and we're fine. We Quran only Muslims whove studied the Quran indepdently have converged on some pts and on others theres lots of work to do. Unlike most religious folk, we are not bent on our current understanding of Quranic verses and willing to change our understanding as new data comes in. MOST importantly we do not force ANY understanding of law that we derive from the Quran or otherwise onto society UNLESS it passes scientific peer review tht it is actually beneficial to society amongst competing laws.

[pr126]

J.K. wrote:

How many times do i have to repeat that no book means anything on it's own? It needs interpretation.

The Quran claims to be a clear and easily understandable book. You already have Tafsirs, hadits, the sunna which you reject, but apparently you want to write your own.

Unlike most religious folk, we are not bent on our current understanding of Quranic verses and willing to change our understanding as new data comes in.

What new data? It was allegedly dictated to the messenger as a complete book. There will be no new ones after him. No more data is coming. It is done. That's it.

We Quran only Muslims whove studied the Quran indepdently have converged on some pts and on others theres lots of work to do

And what would that do? Are planning to change the Quran? You know it is forbidden to change even a word.
Re-interpreting it for the nth time?
And how do you plan to persuade over a billion Muslims around the planet to accept your version of interpretation?

MOST importantly we do not force ANY understanding of law that we derive from the Quran or otherwise onto society UNLESS it passes scientific peer review tht it is actually beneficial to society amongst competing laws.

What? Scientific peer review for a religion? Are you for real?
Do you know the difference between fact and fiction?

[ThereIs1Adonai]

Best: All religions who do no harm to others. In the 21st century it seems the only one that does not rank here is Islam.

Worst: Islam.

Quran only versus other sects is irrelevant. Both the Quran and Hadiths teach violence, slavery, and persecution to non-Muslims, who are seen as non-human pigs and monkeys. All Muslims believing the Quran are guilty of the violence conducted by their religion. The rest of the world moved past this long ago. We invite Muslims to join us.

Peace, Shalom

[ygalg]

@ygalg

I'm curious how exactly Judaism acts as Trojan horse?

I was not asking about how bad is the bible. you asserted that Judaism is a Trojan Horse. hence I asked how does it acts as Trojan horse.

as for how the bible is despicable you provide me nothing new. Koran is no better which encouraging murder and racketeering other people from different belief.

[Ram]

HOWEVER none of these barbaric punishments are found in the Quran.

here is one: Quran 5:33

How about cutting off hands ad feet for thieves? Quran 5:38

I am sure there are many more.

JK- 5:33 on it's own, i.e. without hadith, shows that if someone attacked the messenger physically i.e. wage war, in his time or by impication the believers in this time then those should be warned that there will be a violent defense. NEXT EVEN IF we take 5:38 in the most literal, it just means cut the hands of thieves which is not comparable to any of the death penalties mentioned earlier. HOWEVER even here some Quran Aloners have suggested that this verse can be taken symbolically OR that it is just cutting PART of the hand i.e. to mark it depending on the amount stolen and from whom.

jonnyk, can you dare say that in Pakistan openly in a mosque or any Muslim country?

[Idesigner]

@ygalg

I'm curious how exactly Judaism acts as Trojan horse?

I was not asking about how bad is the bible. you asserted that Judaism is a Trojan Horse. hence I asked how does it acts as Trojan horse.

as for how the bible is despicable you provide me nothing new. Koran is no better which encouraging murder and racketeering other people from different belief.

Dear YG,

I am not sure what JK is upto. Perhaps he does not know meaning of Trojan Horse. It came from that wooden Greek horse I guess , often meant to be dirty trick, scheme, hiding the truth. Just like Trojan virus. To muslims you guys are dirty tricster who misguded Allah, Prophet and Gibreel.You guys created that Koran to defame my muslim brothers. Although JK claims to be enlightened, humitarian, new age muslim but the hatred for jews and Israel a hallmark of muslims is intact and pretty aggregeous. Otherwise he wont call you Trojan Virus. Atleast he is batter than Nazis who called you guys mice and rats.

Muslims learnt all dirty tricks from Trojan Jews including their deceptive philosophy called Takiya and Kittyman.

Ask him when was last time Jews or Israel stoned adulters and adultresses.

Mo copied that jew book called OT but Koran only muslims now insult that book and try to rehabilitate Mo and that hate manual called Koran.

I say dont btrust any Koran only guyts. Equally fanatic , equally devious and use pretty convoluted logic to propagate their insane belief.They know their Takiya-Kitty litter very well.

[jonnyk]

@pr126

The Quran claims to be a clear and easily understandable book. You already have Tafsirs, hadits, the sunna which you reject, but apparently you want to write your own.

JK- 1st where the Quran apparently claims to be clear, that itself requires interpretation. Next WHERE does the Quran authenticate those tafsirs, hadith and what not? Infact quite on the contrary it says:
45:6 These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

What new data? It was allegedly dictated to the messenger as a complete book. There will be no new ones after him. No more data is coming. It is done. That's it.

JK- This is wrong. There WILL BE other messengers in our understanding BUT NOT PROPHETS. To see how this is evidenced by Quran Alone see:
http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html

And what would that do? Are planning to change the Quran? You know it is forbidden to change even a word.

JK- It is forbidden according to sunni/shia NOT us. BUT we dont call it changing the Quran anyways because the Quran for us BY DEFINITION is what is confirmed by logic and the mathematical code of 19. Just coz a sunni/shia comes up to us and says "this is Quran" doesnt make it so.

Re-interpreting it for the nth time?
And how do you plan to persuade over a billion Muslims around the planet to accept your version of interpretation?

JK- How do you know there are actually billion sunni/shia Muslims? Much of them are already out and just dont have the courage to speak out ot the statistics are not being updated. MILLIONS of Muslims have turned e.g. to Ahmadiyya and theyre not violent either.

What? Scientific peer review for a religion? Are you for real?
Do you know the difference between fact and fiction?

JK- Any ideology or religion can have amongst it statements which turn out to be true, even the Bible. Thats what I meant. ALSO it is possbible that a whole religious text as defined by a crtain grp turn out to be scientifically accurate, why not? Im open to that possibility though tht hasnt happened yet.

[jonnyk]

@ThereIs1Adonai

Best: All religions who do no harm to others. In the 21st century it seems the only one that does not rank here is Islam.

Worst: Islam.

JK- Id be more specific and say sunni/shia islam COZ clearly millions of Ahmadadiyya Muslims worldwide and other small grps like ismalelis, ourselves etc dont.

Quran only versus other sects is irrelevant. Both the Quran and Hadiths teach violence, slavery, and persecution to non-Muslims, who are seen as non-human pigs and monkeys. All Muslims believing the Quran are guilty of the violence conducted by their religion. The rest of the world moved past this long ago. We invite Muslims to join us.
Peace, Shalom

JK- Millions of Ahmadiyya muslims have joined and they very much beleive in the Quran just like you probbaly still beleive in the OT. Just coz it is full of violence in my and many others understanding doesnt mean u cant have a different interpretation. SO for u to say anyone who believes in what he/she calls Quran is automatically dangerous is ridiculous to say the least AND dangerous if you indiscrimantly want to kill them as preemptive strike.

[jonnyk]

@ygalg

I was not asking about how bad is the bible. you asserted that Judaism is a Trojan Horse. hence I asked how does it acts as Trojan horse.

JK- By showing itself to be peaceful at the moment whilst retaining the potential to attack blasphemers and disbelievers as commanded in the OT.

as for how the bible is despicable you provide me nothing new. Koran is no better which encouraging murder and racketeering other people from different belief.

JK- The huge difference IF we go by Quran Alone is though that the Quran only commands this in self defense and yes in that case the Quran is particualr harsh when ppl of other ideologies/religions physically attack believers in the Quran and trying to drive them out of their homes coz e.g. they dont like wht theyve to say. YOU CANNOT find me any statement in the Quran which orders for the killing of blasphemers and apostates.

[jonnyk]

@Ram

jonnyk, can you dare say that in Pakistan openly in a mosque or any Muslim country?

JK- OH BOY here we go again. Im not a sunni/shia. Those are in our understanding the worst of all and would totally agree with you. We're completely seprate from them. EVEN the Ahmadiyya have separated themselves from them who also beleive in the Quran and even some hadith of which they have their own collections. SO THT said just like any Christian or Buddhist or Atheist cant say any stuff against sunnism in Pakistan neither can we without facing danger.