Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:
So why didn't Allah make the scriptures before the Quran non corruptible like he did with the Quran?
Because Allah had thought that the stone age to bronze age men would keep the words faithfully,
I guess Allah thought wrong, eh??
but Allah saw them writing on their own and saying, "This is from Allah!", where as those words were not at all from Allah. Those wicked men kept on adding tonnes of material in the stone age and the bronze age Bibles. I had told Skenderbeg that the true teachings of Moses and Jesus can still be found in the two books but the true content is little. For example, no one could change the Laws revealed to Moses and no one could change the Beatitudes and the Parables, revealed to Jesus.
The Beautitudes are only between 8 and 10 short verses. That all that we have of what Jesus really said?? Are you joking? But any way, let's take a look at those.
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
So what would stop someone from adding number 5, for example, or stopping someone from removing it?? I don't see anything about these that are non corruptible, and they are from a chapter where Jesus says a lot of things that are quite different in philosophy than Muhammad.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
After seeing the corruption and the forgeries carried out in the Bibles, Allah saw how Jesus was turned into God, based on books written by men. It was time to put a stop to the butchering of Scripture. So, Allah decided it was time to guard and protect Quran.
You do realize that you have just hopelessly contradicted the idea that Allah knows all things. If you say that Allah does not know the future, then couldn't that be counted as not knowing all things??
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:Anyway, what you don't understand is that the Gospels, for example, were never supposed to be the letter for letter dictation of God, and this is why nobody ever put together a "Gospel of Jesus", and instead each Gospel purposefully referenced an Apostle's name. Jesus never said anything about any book being brought down or even written. He did things, and knew they would be written about and he left it to others to do that. This was because it was written as an author recounting the story of Jesus and the most important parts of what happened.
Good point and I agree that the gospels were not meant to be scripture. By the way, Mark and Luke were not Jesus' disciples at all. You are right in saying "nobody ever put together a "Gospel of Jesus"", because Jesus did not bring anything new and also he did not reveal any Scripture.
The Golden Rule is not new?? That quote above from the Sermon on the Mount is not new?? Here's another one.
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:This is why it is written in third person narrative form where it says "and then Jesus said, Jesus did....." rather "I said or we said" like it is in the Quran where it's supposed to be Allah speaking directly rather than an author narrating. The entire Quran is in first person format, with the exception of 63:4 where Muhammad accidentally forgot that it was supposed to be Allah speaking, not him.
What is your point, regarding 63:4? Can you explain yourself, please?
I went over this in another thread. The verse consists of Muhammad asking Allah to fight or curse the unbelievers, because obviously, Allah does not ask himself to do something, so it's accidentally someone else (Muhammad) asking Allah to do something that he wishes to see happen. It's also in 9:30 as well. Same exact thing. i think Muhammad was whipped up into such an angry frenzy in 9:30 that he forgot who was supposed to be speaking like the ventriloquist who accidentally moves his lips while his Allah hand puppet is supposed to be speaking.
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:So where are the remnants of a prior book written in first person format??
Those can be found within the texts written by the prophets, such as Isaiah, Jeremiah and others,
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The truth is, there were original, uncorrupted scriptures and what we got is pretty much what they are.
Indeed! But those were the scrolls written only by the prophets themselves or their personal scribes.
What is your basis for that assumption??
Muhammad bin Lyin wrote: They are stories about God's interactions with man, and few, if any, are anything even remotely like the Quran. If one wants to make the case that some books might not belong in the Bible, that case could be made, but we don't see any major corruptions of the books themselves at all and at most see translation difficulties or questions. The Dead Sea Scrolls pretty much matched what we knew of before they were found and offered no real surprises.
Yes, I appreciate translation difficulties but the DSS has nothing to do with the New Testament and it does not contain the entire scrolls of the Jewish Tanakh.
Yes, but there is supposed to be corruption of all the past scriptures. So why didn't we find any major surprises?? Seems like they were pretty much the same thing we have today. And the interesting thing is, if the Jews and Christians were both corrupting their scriptures after Jesus, how come they both corrupted them in such a remarkably similar fashion in regard to the Old Testament verses the Torah?? Like I said, there are some numeric and translation discrepancies, but considering that these two peoples became rivals, it's remarkable how similar their supposed corrupting additions were. But if we say they weren't purposefully and willfully false additions, then it all makes sense for the two to be so similar.