Hi Ghalib... thanks for answering. I took the time and care to reply to my best...
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:6:101 says that how can Allah have a son when Allah has no mate.
That is a denial and rejection of the Christian claim that Allah has a son.
Isn't this verse limiting Allah's capacity? Does God need a mate to create a human, like Adam for example? Sounds strange to me.
Just wondering: How did Allah create EVE? When not specified I guess one must rely on Genesis, don't you think? A bone? Humm!!
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:39:4 starts with the word If . It does not confirm that Allah had taken a son or begotten a son through a woman.
39:4 If Allah had willed to choose a son (Waladāan), He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created
A lot of misunderstanding arose from the Arabic word used for son, ie. WALID... which means a biological fatherhood in the flesh.
Usually thus the Arabic Bibles do translate 'son' with the Arabic 'Ibn' (of the belonging), much more in line with the conceptual idea.
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:3:59 does not say that Jesus always existed. It just says that he was created by saying 'be and there he was' (in his mother's womb).
3:59 Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust,
then He said unto him: Be! and he is
. (See 18.50; 2.30, 2.34).
'Inna Mathala `Īsá `Inda Allāhi Kamathali 'Ādama Khalaqahu Min Turābin Thumma Qāla Lahu Kun Fayakūnu
There seems to be TWO similitudes involved:
1) 'Inna Mathala `Īsá `Inda Allāhi (the likeness of Isa WITH Allah, ie. His spirited words)
2) Kamathali 'Ādama Khalaqahu Min Turābin (the likeness of Jesus AND Adam from dust)
When Allah says 'BE' then what's created is of divine origin: the World, Adam & Isa. Not even so for the angels (light) or jinns (fire).
None of whom were biologically created as per 86.5-7:
--So let man consider from what he is created.
--He is created from a gushing fluid (Mā'in Dāfiqin)
--That issued from between the loins and ribs (Aş-Şulbi Wa At-Tarā'ibi).
Still, the likeness of Jesus is first of all that of Allah (the likeness of Jesus with Allah is of that).
Yet that's only about the human part of Jesus' divine creation, his body, but 4.171 implies more:
4.171: The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah,
and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him.
Here Muslims like to state that Jesus is -a- word from God, not -the- word, this word being 'BE'.
But this is challenged since the verse implicitly states that His word (Kalimatuhu) existed from
all time, thus 'conveyed unto Mary
', AND a 'spirit' (Rūĥun) from Him. Isa being His Ruhullah!
The Koran emphasizes time again that Isa is born as the word and spirit of Allah:
As the spirited word of Allah, what Jesus -said and utter- must be held... divine !
Let us ponder over this from John Gilchrist:
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Let us begin with the first as it is written in the verse, namely kalimatuhuu - "His Word". The construction makes it plain that Jesus is, in some unique way, God's own Word. The title; appears in two other places in the Qur'an in much the same context. In Surah 3.39 an angel announces to Zachariah that his son John (Yahya) will witness to a kalimatim-minallaah, "a Word from God", and in Surah 3.45 the angels, in announcing the conception of Jesus to Mary, speak of him as a kalimatim-minhu, "a Word from Him"....
In Surah 4.171 Jesus is called God's Word, not just a Word from God as in the two passages we quoted from the third Surah. ''Christ is called 'His Word', that is, 'God's Word'. The Arabic shows that it means 'The Word of God', not merely 'a Word of God'. (Kalimatullaah, not kalimatimmin kalimaatullaah). Thus we see that Jesus is the word or expression of God, so that by Him alone can we understand the mind and will of God. No other prophet has been given this title, because none other is, in this sense, the special revelation of God's mind and will''. (Goldsack, Christ in Islam, p. 15).....
The Qur'an says no more of Adam than that "he learnt from his Lord words of inspiration" (Surah 2.37), that is, the kalimaat were sent down mir-rabbihi, "from his Lord", but in the case of Jesus it is said that he himself is the kalimatullah, the "Word of God"..... The title Son of God at least implies some limitation and submission on the part of its bearer - a son is subject to his father - but the title Word of God implies no such limitation. By itself it clearly implies that its bearer is the express image of the invisible God and only the latter title Son of God implies some submission on his part to the Father. The Qur'an denounces Christians for believing that Jesus is the Son of God and yet, in the very same breath, gives him the title Word of God....
As a person, a human being, Jesus was born in the likeness of Adam (which makes him a viceroy on earth by extension of 2.30).
BUT, whenever Jesus speaks... he becomes the embodiment of Allah's Spirit and Word, contrary to Adam and any other one...
Muhammad is commanded to accept: 3:60 (This is) the truth from thy Lord (O Muhammad), so be not thou of those who waver.
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:81:19-20 is talking about Gabriel, not Jesus. It does not say that Jesus always existed.
There is no Jesus in those verses. 81:21 is also talking about Gabriel. It is a continuation of 81-19-20.
81.19-21: That this is in truth the word of an honored messenger, Mighty, established
in the presence of the Lord of the Throne, (One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy;
81.19: Certainly His Word is an honored messenger
The meaning of 'Innahu laqawlun
' is underlined in 86.13:
86.13: Lo! this (Qur´an) is a conclusive word
The lying pen of the scribes is, here again, at works for 'Qur'an' isn't mentioned in Arabic.
Thus the conclusive word of Allah is described in the above verses: the heaven and earth.
These are the 'Word' of God and Jesus is thus recognized as their universal embodiment !
Here, Gabriel is NOT implied at all but His Word, ie. the holy message sent by the Heaven & Earth,
as the embodiment of God's Word and Spirit, Jesus is the 'trustworthy' one to be soulfully obeyed.
Not only is he a viceroy made in the likeness of Adam, but a holy one able to abrogate God's words!
3.50: And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was
forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me
5.110: When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother;
how I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit.
(Rubul-Quds - cf. Surahs 2.85, 2.253, 16.103).
Leaving aside, for the moment, the controversy of Gabriel being or not the Holy Spirit....
3.45: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is
the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near
I'm just noting here that angels are plural, thus eliminating Gabriel this far.
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3. Ruhullah - Jesus the Spirit of God.
In Surah 3.45 we read that Jesus was a kalimatim-minhu, "a Word from him". Now we read in Surah 4.171 that he was also a ruhun minhu, "a Spirit from him". On both occasions it is clearly stated that the source of the man who bears these titles is God himself. Jesus is his Word and his Spirit...
In this case, however, we do find some evidence in the Qur'an that helps us to identify the meaning of this title. Elsewhere in the Qur'an we read of the "Holy Spirit" (Rubul-Quds - cf. Surahs 2.85, 2.253, 16.103) and it is presumed that the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. Whoever it is, it is generally agreed that the Holy Spirit is greater than man and comes from heaven and is purely a spirit.
Jesus, however, is now called "a Spirit from him" (ruhun minhu) from which he has received the title in Islamic traditions, "Spirit of God". Whereas David is called Khalifatullah ("Vicegerent of God") and Abraham Khalilullah ("Friend of God") as we have already seen, so now we find that the express title for Jesus in Islam is Ruhullah ("Spirit of God"). Throughout the works of Hadith where purported sayings and anecdotes relating to Jesus are recorded, we find him always being addressed Ya Ruhullah (''O Spirit of Allah").
No doubt here: Isa is the Ruhullah, the spoken words of God!
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:in 66:12, the key word is "فِيهِ ", which means "in it" and the it is the tiny fetus of Jesus, which received life.
Let us read again 66.12:
And Mary, daughter of ´Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of
Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
Therein (or in it) most obviously refers to the chaste body of Mary, meaning NO fetus at all at this point. For if there would have been
a fetus already... she couldn't be stated chaste. The fetus itself must then have originated by the Spirit for Mary's body to be chaste.
Ghalibkhastahaal wrote:The answer: Nobody was the father of Jesus.
Hope this helped.
Nobody in the sense of a somebody, alright, but I hope we can agree that God's spirit and word aren't exactly 'nothing'!
Once again, I shall underline that the Koranic wording for 'son' (ie. walid) is the main huge problem.
No Christian would understand either that Jesus is such the biological
son of a flesh and blood God.
Authority has the same etymological root as authenticity.