yeezevee wrote:Well whole Quran is NOT bigoted and violent, but there are verses in it that are bigoted and violent against those who question it.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:The Cat wrote: The Cat says : Mein Kampf is an authentic book, but its authenticity is quite disgusting.
And the Quran is every bit as bigoted and violent. I really don't see much difference. They both talk about violence and subjugation and oppression of "inferior" people.
Not all of Mein Kampf is violent either. So far, they are both on the same par.
yeezevee wrote:Again, the verses that have voilent sayings will not stand on their own hence they need tafsir and hadith.Muhammad bin Lyin wrote:If the Quran is sufficient on it's own, then what are we to make about all of the verses of violence??[/u]
But the Quran doesn't need tafsir and hadiths and is completely self sufficient according to the pussy and BagHat
yeezevee wrote: In fact some of the verses that have names/stories of people from earlier religions or the names from Muhammad's times also need OT and NT + Arabian Pagan stories of that time also need help to explain them.
But one has to realize that some verses such as what The Cat Quotes in this thread can stand themselves without any help ..for e.g. this one..
Surah Al-Fatiha verses 1 to 7those sayings above do not need any help and stand on their own wording. So the context and even Muhammad is not necessary to explain them.In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. The Beneficent, the Merciful, Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.
Yeah, "some" verses can stand by themselves, but the question isn't about "some" verses, it's about the Quran itself. And clearly it cannot stand on it's own in perhaps half of the cases. But again, none of this matters anyway as 63:4 clearly shows us it was Muhammad speaking in the Quran. It's kind of like a ventriloquist who forgets that his mouth is not supposed to be moving.
