I dont agree with your tally of 5 prayers. Lets see the verses that you brought and count them once again..
Agreed! We have the count of prayers as 3 here i.e dawn,sunset and the night prayer.
Ahmed Bahgat wrote:
>> The third salat (Afternoon) is logically mentioned in the following verse:
حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ (238)
Maintain the prayers and the middle prayer, and stand up before Allah in obedience.
[Al Quran ; 2:238]
Well you cant say that the middle prayer is the afternoon prayers. The middle prayer would depend upon the no of prayers that quran told us and not upon the no 5 which comes from the hadith and hence unless we know the no of prayers that quran mentioned we cant say what the middle prayer would be afternoon prayer.HAd quran mentioned that there are 5 prayers namely as dawn,noon,afternoon,sunset and night then you would have a point and we would have accepted that the middle prayer is afternoon .
The middle prayer here actually is the noon prayer as per the quran. Let me clarify here..
Quran mentioned the prayers at dawn,noon,sunset and night (It didnt mention afternoon prayer distinctly) and hence the no of prayers as per quran is 4 and hence the middle prayer would be no 2 i.e noon so noon would be the middle prayer as per quran and not the afternoon prayer. Note that quran doesnt distinctly say afternoon prayer.
You have drawn an erroneous conclusion that middle prayer refers to afternoon prayer.TO find middle value of any series of nos we need to know the total count. The total count as per quran is only 4 because it mentions only 4 prayers distinctly.
-> See: الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى , i.e. the middle prayer, which should be logically the third in five prayers/day, i.e. Al-Asr (Afternoon) prayer.
There is also a whole sura named Al-Asr in which we read how such time is very important in the sight of Allah:
(I swear) by the afternoon.
[Al Quran ; 103:1]
Allah is definitely not praying and he swearing doesnt by afternoon doesnt mean that you are supposed to pray during the afternoon.This verse is irrelevant to the discussion.
>> The first, second, third, fourth and fifth salats are mentioned (metaphorically) in the following verse:
أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا (78)
Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed.
[Al Quran ; 17:78]
Again decline of sun can be interpreted as sunset too and hence mention of noon prayer is doubtful but let me give you the benefit of doubt here and hence I will take this as the 4th prayer i,e prayer at the noon so we have
3 prayers from previous set of verses + 1 prayer here =4 prayers.
[017:078] Observe Prayer from the declining and paling of the sun till the darkness of the night, and recite the Qur'an at dawn. Verily, the recitation of the Qur'an at dawn is specially acceptable to ALLAH.
- The second, third, fourth and fifth (Noon, Afternoon, Sunset and Night) prayers are mentioned in one expression implying continues action of prayer: أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ , i.e. Establish prayer from the decline of the sun until the darkness of the night. From the decline of the sun means from the point where it is at the top of you, i.e. noon prayer until it disappears, i.e. going through the afternoon prayer and ending with sunset prayer. Then the prayer should continue until the night prayer is performed.
-> The first prayer (Dawn) was referred to as an action of reciting the Quran OF dawn: وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا , i.e. and (recite) the Quran of dawn, indeed, the Quran of dawn is witnessed. See how it is refereed to as the Quran OF dawn, not the Quran AT dawn, i.e. the recited Quran during Dawn prayer.
Again quran doesnt mention the afternoon prayer distinctly and hence praying from decline of sun to night doesnt include the afternoon prayer. From the decline of sun to night we have only 3 prayers i,e noon,sunset and night prayer and this is because quran mentions only 3 prayers and it doesnt mention afternoon prayer at all. You interpreted the middle prayer as afternoon prayer but as proven above that the middle prayer depends upon the no of prayers and their sequence as mentioned in the quran .The middle prayer as per quran is the noon prayer.
Here you have it kafirs, you have been slammed again. But hey, if you wont get sick of being slammed, I won’t get sick of slamming you:
Keep deluding yourself . YOu could never refute anyone here and you always have lost miserably.Stop this madness about quran. Its not a book from God.Learn to accept this harsh reality.