Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Ali Sina's Muslimness in Quotes: Part II
Part I: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60738" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part II. His articles.
The first part circuited Ali's ambivalence, which I've called: The Ayatollah Sina's enigma. Just like Islam walks on two legs, the first being apologetic and seemingly yielding, the second carries the crushing legal side of Islam, so we find that Ali dispatches that kind of twofold attitude. On one hand he maintains that ''only Western values are worthy of being saved'' just to, on the other hand, firing at many Western pillars such as the fundamental rights of individuals our liberal societies are based upon. This raise the question of the effect of Islam not only on Muslims but also on Ex-Muslims. A crucial side of this is, of course, their plain or dysfunctional integration in the Western basic values of individual rights, freedoms and democracy. We're about to see that Ali Sina isn't providing much examples of such integration.

In the first part, we've had quotes of him from his threads and comments, mainly raised before Barack H. Obama got elected. This second part will focus on quotes from his articles, namely:

The Audacity Of Frauds.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obamalies.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Making of a Fuhrer.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What Will the Future Bring Under Obama?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/obama/future.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Decline and Fall Of the West (Ali Sina)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60423.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've joined this last one (dealing with morality) to the others, which are rather concerned with the election of Barack Obama, because it shall bring better lightnings on the topic of this thread: Ali Sina's Muslimness, through his positions on morality, reflecting into his political moto: ''liberalism is a mental disease''.

The main purpose of this is centered around the idea of Muslims' integration to our Western Values. It has been said many times that Muslims' integration triggers much problems to their hosting countries, and more and more concerns about if they'll -ever do integrate- at all. Concessions of Neville Chamberlain's type won't work!

With Ali Sina himself, it looks like even many apostates of Islam cannot cope with our freedoms and rather stick to some Islamic mentality than adopt our ways. Ali would rather call for a civil war in America than endorse a democratically elected -black- president, pointing those who voted for him as cultic worshipers. Ironically, we at FFI, are often labeled by Muslims as following the ''Cult of Ali Sina''. This only emphases what the first part introduced: Ali's values are from an Islamic unshakable background.

Quoting Bob
For Ali Sina THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between Christians being nude on a beach and wifeswapping. They illustrate Western decadence and immorality. Like all true Muslims, Ali Sina cannot distinguish between the various multihued strands that compose the extraordinarily rich tapestry of Western society. (We can see that in his risible caricaturization of 'The Left' which is no different to Pilgrim's SWLL). He cannot see that Christian nudity has NO explicit sexual connotations at all. In fact it is quite the opposite. (...) Nudity and Christianity do not contradict each other. Nudity and Islam do.

What is even more distrurbing from the pen of a so-called apostate is that Christian nudity for him 'makes Islam more attractive'. The implication clearly being that we in the West should renounce the Hellenic/Christian tradition of nudity 'in order to make Islam less attractive'. This is KOWTOWING TO MUSLIMS. Carry on with this incredible logic and Ali Sina will be recommending that we hammer off the penis of Michaelangelo's David to 'make Islam less attractive'.
Muslims like Ali Sina are fascinated by science but they fail to understand first that there is NO PROOF in science, only hypotheses that empirical research TENDS to validate or invalidate. Like his co-religionists who use risible scientific arguments and 'experts' like Maurice Bucaille to 'prove the scientific miracles of the koran', Ali Sina runs to the horsetrading Maurice Bucailles of 'human sexuality' to 'prove' a dogma that he doesn't want to see questioned.
Ali would say that we never should appease Muslims, then just to suggest that we have to change our ways so to facilitate their integration, that is by becoming more puritans. It's not only Obama that Ali disdains but, even more troubling, the very liberalism that founded the Western world, through his epithets of these ''utterly irrationals'' people who voted for him ! His visceral hatred for the President-elected seems to be just the tip of the iceberg and find its grounding in the very Islamic hatred for whatever is liberal. It's frightening to see that, not only Muslims immigrants do not integrate, some apostates (like Ali Sina does, one fatwa after another) still carry the Islamic torch aiming to set ablaze the freedoms and liberality we so dearly enjoy...

In Ali's mind, individualism is wrongly associated with licentiousness or the right to do whatever one wants. He's only forgetting that this right is limited by the wrongs done to any other individual. Still the person, the individual, is the basic of our social fabrics, not the family per se. Except in Islam, see? Epicurus himself taught that the highest form of pleasures were obtained in practicing virtue... So did the Stoics. But to associate virtue with cultural dogmas based on prudery and disgust is like subduing freedom to catechism.

As far as I am concern, morality is what deals with Life and the quality of living for most of the people, animals & vegetal worlds, of which we are interdependent: the quality of the air we breath, the food we eat, the level of education, etc. In my mind, morality brings about harmony and mutual understanding, in the respect of our differences. Thus, to me, intolerances of all sorts are the seed of immorality. That's way too liberal for Ali!

Now, before we proceed to the quotes themselves, we must have a word on Ali's referencing to the self-called ''Dr'' Vaknin to base his unalterable conviction that Barack Obama suffers from pathological narcissism. 'bob' wrote that: ''Ali Sina runs to the horsetrading Maurice Bucailles of 'human sexuality' to 'prove' a dogma that he doesn't want to see questioned''. The same pattern happened, once again, in the case of Sam Vaknin.

Ali Sina relied upon the sole 'authority' of someone dangerously unqualified to make any diagnosis at all! Yet, Ali stated: ''Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism.'' The self-called ''Dr'' Vaknin has no degree at all in psychology so, once again, Ali relies on unreliable sources to build up his then unaltarable -beliefs-. Just like Muslims stick blindy to the much unreliable hadiths to order their entire life, so Ali Sina tends to rely upon such shaky grounds to project his, then, arrogant certainty. Thus the Muslimness of Ali, this thread wants to underline.

On Sam Vaknin, see:
http://heliologue.com/2006/07/03/sam-vaknins-self-love/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bobby Bee
The problem with Vaknins self assumed position as an authority of Narcissism is dangerous for quite simple reasons. Though his “from the inside” perspective on the situation may seem to suggest a certain validity, you’ve still got to take into account that it’s a highly distorted perspective. This is why we NEED acreditied mental health proffesionals, who can offer a objectivley derived perspective on someones condition. A lot of complaints have centered around Sam Vaknins habit of trying to suggest that NPD is the foundation to all personality disorders. His subjective “museings” on the/his condition often reflect this position; he doesn’t know what aspects of his condition are of the truly malignant variety, and what aspects are quite healthy. Hence anyone reading his naval gazeing misanthropy may well come away thining “Yes, X is just like that!”, or “Oh my god! I’M GOING TO HELL!!”.

There’s no doubt that subjectivley derived writings by those that suffer from mental health issues can provide an interesting an often helpfull supplement to psycho-analytical ones, but the way Mr. Vaknin monopolises the web with his labourious and verbose “articles” almost drowns out any, actual, profesional sources. This guy is a menace. I realy hope that NPD victims, in there vulnerability, don’t become further damaged by his insidious style.
Sam Vaknin has been deleted from Wikipedia, after numerous warnings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;: ... Sam_Vaknin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;: ... amvak_(3rd)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;: ... amvak_(4th)

Quote from the last:
Dr. Sam Vaknin
To whom it may concern,
I have recently been undertaking a significant amount of research and feel this is as good a place to warn anyone. The individual referring to himself as Dr. Sam Vaknin has no educational qualifications of any merit or legitimacy, and was incarcerated for a period in the mid 90s, further casting doubt over his reputation. A confirmed sufferer of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, this individual is an avid self promoter and has disseminated vast amounts of his publications across the internet.

When undertaking research on economics, finance, monetary unions (especially the history thereof), Macedonia, psychology and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, please ensure this individual is not the author of the said work, as factual errors or inaccuracies may be prevalent throughout the work and, despite the plausability of his publications, his reputation casts an unquestionable shadow of doubt over his professional undertakings. I have wasted my time on this individual, and intend only to spare you the same.
We can now proceed into quoting Ali Sina from his articles, itself divided in two parts...
Editions in paragraphs only, for the sake of quoting.
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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes.

Part II: His Articles (1/2)

The Audacity Of Frauds (Ali Sina)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obamalies.html

---I have written a book where I have proven that Muhammad, far from being a great man, was a thug, a pervert with no conscience or scruples. He was a cult leader who fooled people with the power of his oratory and big lies. If you wonder how Muhammad influenced so many people with nothing but lies, watch Obama. The secret of success of narcissists is in their ability to lie convincingly.

---Obama’s followers worship him. They act thuggishly towards his critics. Even law enforcers, such as sheriffs and prosecutors have agreed with him to abuse their authority and form “Obama Truth Squads.” It is clear the intent is to intimidate his critics. (...) What would Obama’s minions do when he actually comes to power? Their cultic mentality and their vicious attacks of his critics can only be likened to that of Muslims, fascists, Nazis, Bolshevists and followers of Jim Jones. This level of fanaticism is unprecedented in American politics.

---Berg alleges that Obama is not born in Hawaii as he claims, but in Kenya. He filed a lawsuit demanding that Obama either provide his birth certificate or withdraw his candidacy. Berg vs. Obama is not the only lawsuit demanding that the elect president prove that he is an American natural. (...) He has published a fake certification of birth, not a real birth certificate, purportedly to “fight the smears.”


The Making of a Fuhrer (Article of Ali Sina)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

---Khomeini promised there would be separation between religion and state. He lied and they did not care to look into his past to see whether he actually meant what he said. Had they done that they would have seen that he always believed in caliphate and the rule of Islam. People gobbled everything he told them uncritically. (...) Listening to Obama ... it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch Khomeini, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell.

---Like Hitler and Khomeini, Obama also likes to create a cult of personality around himself. As stated above, when a large number of a population is discontent, a charismatic leader can seize the opportunity and present himself as the agent of change. He can create a cult of Personality by associating himself with the idea of change. He convinces everyone that things are terrible and a drastic change is needed. He then casts himself as the only person who can deliver this revolutionary transformation that everyone is waiting for.

---Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism.

---When Obama acts presidential, he is simply acting out his childhood fantasy of omnipotence and grandeur. Emotionally, he is still a little hurt boy, neglected and unloved in the body and mind of a grown up man. Such people can be dangerous. Narcissists have the emotional maturity of a child, or even an animal, but the intellect of a man. They feel like a beast, but think like a human.

---Just as experienced and smart senators of the Democratic Party have surrendered to the charisma of Obama, a man who is inferior to them all in every sense; many members of the media also have fallen for his charm hook, line and sinker. (...) The Jews whom he opposed all his life are backing him. They are opening their wallets and supporting his campaign in an unprecedented way. He has managed to charm even the Kennedys. (...) As for the great Clintons, he made them submissive, and for whatever reason, incomprehensible to me, they are playing his game. Think about it. Obama is a cipher. In reality, he is nobody.

---The reaction that I get from Obama worshippers is similar to that of Muslims when their prophet is criticized. They are even prone to insult you. See how they overlook Obama's blatant lies and are willing to forgive his major sins such as racism.

---Americans are as fallible and as gullible as everyone else. It is foolhardy to say "it won't happen to us." Just as today, Obama’s supporters happily engage in intellectual dishonesty, deceitful reporting, and even hooliganism, I predict they will soon, merrily commit the same crimes other nations committed under the spell of their narcissistic leaders.

---In this relationship the Democratic Party became the co-dependant of the narcissist Obama. They needed someone to shine so they can bask in his splendor. And Obama needed them to fulfill his delusions of grandiosity.

---Obama is anything you want him to be and situation dictates. He takes the side that is more expedient to his cause. To communists he is a comrade, to Islamists he is their man, to Palestinian fighters he is their hope and to the Jews he is a staunch Zionist.

---Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. (...) Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which, he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father. Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin.

---Hitler was smart, and so is Obama. Hitler would not have become the monster he became had he not risen to power and had he not received so much narcissistic fodder to feed on. One man who saw Khomeini prior to rising to power recalled he would gently push flies out of his window, but would not kill them. The same man massacred tens of thousands of Iranians. It is power that brings madness out of the narcissist.

---The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. (...) Let us call a spade a spade. This is racism, pure and simple. The truth is that while everyone carries a misconceived collective guilt towards the blacks for wrongs done centuries ago by a bygone people to a bygone people, the blacks carry a collective rancor, enmity or vendetta towards non-blacks.

---When I prove to Obama devotees that all their arguments to support him are logical fallacies, they tell me that they know Obama is the right man, because that is what their intuition tells them and they trust their intuition. (...) The followers of Jim Jones cheerfully committed suicide because they relied on their blind faith that they mistook as intuition.

---The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. They are in a state of trance. They truly believe Obama is their messiah. He is the fruition of their long quest for black power. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

---America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.


What Will the Future Bring Under Obama?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/obama/future.html

---Obama lied when he said he was never a Muslim. He lied about his 20-year association with his pastor, the racist anti-Semite, anti-American Jeremiah Wright, who claims whites invented AIDS to kill blacks. He lied about his 15-year friendship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers (...) Most importantly, Obama lied when he ran for the president of the United States while constitutionally unqualified to do so by virtue of his dual citizenship(s). He has refused to prove that he is a 'natural born' American.

---There are many similarities between Obama’s rise to power and Hitler’s. Both lied and used aggressive propaganda. Both appealed to the working class and the poor while they were financially backed by the wealthy. Both came to power in the midst of economic crisis, depression and general discontent. Both gave promises of drastic change. The list of similarities is long. The same can be said about Khomeini and other revolutionary narcissistic leaders who came to power through demagogy and with the acclaim of the masses.

---Obama has described himself as “a blank screen, on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.” Sometimes all we have to do is to listen and the truth comes out. This is the most telling revelation that he is a narcissist. You can’t describe narcissism in better words.

---To understand what changes Obama will bring, we have to study the rise to power of other demagogic narcissists like Hitler, Mussolini, Khomeini, Mao and Castro.

---If those who voted for Obama decide to reinterpret the Constitution or give this man the power to toss it in the fire, who can stop them? Based on my conversation with Obama fans I can say with near certainly that by now most of them already suspect that Obama has won the elections through fraud and that he may not be a natural born American and therefore unqualified to be the president, but they are willing to bend the law and disregard the Constitution for him. This level of mindless devotion to one man can only be seen in cults where devotees are so enthralled with their leader that think he is above the law and the rules should bend to accommodate him. America is at the verge of becoming a dictatorship.

---Once the second amendment is scrapped or amended, it will be the turn of the first amendment. People will be prosecuted for "lying" about our beloved leader. He will be anointed as the savior of America and mankind. His critics and detractors will be berated as racists, a bunch of disgruntled losers, and branded as the enemies of the people. His popularity will grow abroad. Obama wannabes will win elections in other countries and the road for a world socialist government will be paved with Obama as its leader.

---There will be no war against other countries. Instead, a war will take place in the streets of America against those who oppose the glorious new world order and resist change. This would not necessarily be a war waged by the government per se. Obama and his propaganda machine will continue beating their unity drum. What they actually mean by 'unity' however, will have clauses that would not be accepted by a free people.

---All narcissists are harbingers of 'unity,' but only under their yoke. Hitler was also for world 'unity', so was Muhammad, Khomeini, and also the Communists. What the narcissist understands by 'unity' is not unity with freedom and diversity, but unity in conformity, in subjugation and in submission.

---It is amazing how a couple of charlatans can manipulate masses of people and make them act like silly children (Both Michelle and Barack are narcissists).

---The evidences of Obama’s lies are everywhere, but his worshippers refuse to see them. (...)Obama’s supporters are collectively suffering from a nihilistic mass psychosis.

---If Obama's past in any indication, what assurances do we have that he will not be self-dealing in the future, now that he is master of the universe? Who is going to put a check on him? The Democratic Senate? The purchased judges? The same judges that throw the suits demanding him to prove his nationality out of court?

---The discontent will grow and with it, Obama’s narcissistic paranoia. There will be unrest and attempts to assassinate him. He will then pass laws to quash the opposition. He may even stage attacks himself in order to obtain special powers from the Senate. This is what Hitler did. It is believed that Hitler burnt the Reichstag, the Parliament building in Berlin, and blamed the communists.

---If you don’t care to learn the facts about Obama now and prefer to live in your bubble universe of delusion, time will teach you the truth. I am right because facts are on my side, not because I “feel” that I am.

---Obama’s Truth Squads will evolve into his Gestapo. It will comprise FBI staff, sheriffs, prosecutors and corrupt judges. The secret police will monitor everyone’s words and movement. The Obama youths, consisting mostly of blacks, Latinos and other minorities, will take to the streets to ensure that the beloved leader is not maligned.

---With a black president, harboring a hidden resentment towards whites, the KKK will find its raison d'être and will be back with a vengeance. Obama youth brigades will be confronted by equally vicious and determined white supremacists. Blood will run in the streets. Racial tension will grow to levels never before seen. With America in crisis, Obama will seek the support of Muslims. (...) Millions of dollars will be spent on da'wa, Islamic propaganda, while the voices of opposition to Islam and to Obama will be silenced. Freedom fighters like this author will be found, jailed or assassinated.
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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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This seems to be a lot of effort for what is essentially just a personal attack, Cat.

I also believe that Obama has a hidden agenda. I don't like the man either. Does this indicate that I am a Muslim/ex-Muslim? If there are non-Muslims who agree with Ali Sina's political beliefs does this mean they were influenced by Islam to believe that way?

Do all ex-Muslims share Ali Sina's political beliefs? Or are you just trying to tenuously squeeze your attack into a forum which has nothing to do with Sina's political belief?

This is a nonsense. You are far too intelligent to be ignorant of the fact. You are merely transferring a political grudge and forming it into a personal attack.

I respect you as a poster, but I do not respect the posts you have put on this thread.

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Brendalee wrote:This seems to be a lot of effort for what is essentially just a personal attack, Cat.

I also believe that Obama has a hidden agenda. I don't like the man either. Does this indicate that I am a Muslim/ex-Muslim? If there are non-Muslims who agree with Ali Sina's political beliefs does this mean they were influenced by Islam to believe that way?

Do all ex-Muslims share Ali Sina's political beliefs? Or are you just trying to tenuously squeeze your attack into a forum which has nothing to do with Sina's political belief?

This is a nonsense. You are far too intelligent to be ignorant of the fact. You are merely transferring a political grudge and forming it into a personal attack.

I respect you as a poster, but I do not respect the posts you have put on this thread.
Apart from engaging into Red Herring and a bunch of other logical fallacies, I should answer that there's nothing -personal- in stating that our mind is first shapen by our very youth. In the case of Islam though it has or may have many dangerous outsets, especially when dealing with Muslims' integration to our values.

I guess you're a woman, so I engage you and any other woman here to have a view on the first eleven pages of this mind-blowing thread, brought to my attention by 'Sally' in the first part of this serie (in the internet limbo for a while). It is found in the 'old' -Breaking News On Islam-. This is much revealing about Ali's Muslimness.

Bread, Milk & Divorce Please!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51404
A bunch of Ali Sina quotes (emphases mine):
---Obviously we come from two different worlds and it is hard for us to understand each other. -You- come from a world where men swap their wives and even the Canadian law recognizes that as legal. The society is okay with it and there are swinger clubs and nudist clubs in every town. Some western men get excited when their wives are gang banged. I am sorry but -we- Easterners are still backwards in this regard and I hope -we- remain that way. -Your- approach to sexuality is completely different from -ours-. -We- cannot accept that, not in a thousand years. That is not how -our- brains function.

---Those who do not know much about the Islamic societies may be confused. -To us- this matter is clear. The woman is a cheater and that is the end of the story. The man was not violent because he could have beaten her.

---Adultery is immoral even if between consenting adults. It is immoral because it violates the sacredness of the family ties and family is the foundation of human society. Is incest immoral if it happens between adults? Some people think it is not. We have lost -our- moral compass. This business of "consenting adults" is bullsh!t (...) "Consenting adults" is not the ultimate truth. There are moral and ethical norms that must never be violated even by consenting adults.

---You make all sorts of impossible and silly mental acrobatics to defend an adulteress? Why? Something must be wrong -here-. Why any time I discuss about morality, family values, decency, fidelity and stuff like that I am being attacked by a hoard of people? Why such notions disturbs -you- to such an extent? This is sick. Many people wonder why an atheist like me defends Christianity and all other religions? It is because I am concerned about the perversion that a a hedonistic and atheistic society would cause.

---It is rather disturbing to see so many women -here- take the side of a cheating woman. Why would someone defend pedophilia if he is not a pedophile? Why would someone defend adultery? Something is very wrong. This thread shows how the society has lost its compass. We no longer know the difference between right and wrong and this is a tragedy.

---I have no problem living by the Golden Rule. I have always done that even when I was young. Do you think the masses of people are also ready? I have serious doubts. The more I observe the deplorable state of the society and the inability of the masses to grasp simple logical concepts, the more my doubts increases. I am coming to the belief that we need a two tier system of beliefs, one for the elite (khas) and one for the masses (aam). This is somewhat the Ismailites and particularly the followers of Hasan Sabbah taught a thousand years ago. The elite can find its own way and has no problem choosing the right over the wrong. The elite does not need any religion. The masses are not ready for that. The masses have no comprehension of the simple concepts of logics. How can they understand the complexities of ethics? I do not have trust in the masses. Isn't understanding a prerequisite of discernment? How can those who do not understand discern right from wrong? It is because of this that I think religion is still needed.
You'll find the devastating answers within the thread. Here's one of them made by 'peoshi': ''Thought you weren't a muslim anymore, Ali? You're starting sound like one!... To us this matter is clear? Well, to us it is not! (...) Here in the civilized world, we don't necessarily believe them just because they are male! (...) Did you see anything stating anyone other than the husband witnessed this? Btch... whore... (...) listen to yourself, you sound like a muslim troll!'' Would you say they're being too personal to?

This Hassan Sabbah founded the 'hashshashins', committing selective murderings, which gave us the word 'assassin'! They ended the rather tolerant Fatimid dynasty by helping the rise of Sunni and Turkish hegemonies. As you see, there's nothing -personal- about Ali's Muslimness. It is showing throughout his positions, on both political and morality issues. Ali, as shown in the last quote, doesn't even believe in democracy, but rather into some oligarchy as existing in his native Iran. The masses (the folks) are cattle, let alone -you- as a woman!

More so, it's as close as can be to endorsing the 'Meat Imam' stating that Western women should dress 'decently' if not to be raped by the acknowledged Islamic standards! Two years ago 'Anna Doe' wrote: ''Please tell me why Ali Sina and you point of view differ from those of Oslo Professor of Anthropology, Unni Wikan, who said "since these men believe women are responsible for rape, she stated, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them." We're the one to adapt and let in this Islamic Trojan Horse? Then again, is Christianity (or any other faith) only food for the cattle (We-the-People) as he thinks? Is this integration?

I'm not gonna buy it! Is this too personal?
Bye...
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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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CAT opens a thread with Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II
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What is happening dear CAT?? There are more important subjects to open threads and discuss in detail instead of Ali Sina Muslimness., May be it is NOT Muslimness but it could be Ali SInaness., I mean it is very little to do with Muhammad's Islam but a personal issues of Ali Sina., Is that possible??


Any way., why are you so obsessed with Ali Sina and his works??.. you already spent whole lot of time in the olf fotum on that subject of putting together some one else's Posts/articles in the old froums..

for e.g.

ALI SINA (2000/-2006).
Quoting Abul Kasem -Part IV
Quoting Syed Kamran Mirza -Part II
Quoting Ali Sina -Part 1
Quoting Ali Sina (Part -II): Islam and the Golden rule.

Etc... Etc...

why start again in the same mode in the new year? You know you have such a depth in philosophical subjects I think in this new forum, your posts like this http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... 772#660772 will be more important than you gettiing worked up with Ali Sinaness or his posts/articles... What do you think??

with best wishes & happy new year..
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Dear Cat - I think that you made your points in the articles on the old forum. This is now becoming a bit like overkill. The old forum info has not been lost but please, once having made a point, there is no need to labour it.

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Dear all,

we do not wish for old animosities to be further fueled on the new forum. Please let it rest.

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What a stupid thread by confused cat. Ali Sina clearly takes the stand of offending Islam and here is the goon cat telling us that Ali Sina has Muslimness in his blood, it is like the same crap many of the goons in here come with when telling me that I am an apostate while I am clearly taking the stand of defending Islam

Another clear evidence of the confusion of the goons, they make the apostate a muslim, and they make the muslim an apostate

No wonder I have to create the Life Dismissal Cyber Correction Centre, to accomadate all those stupid goons, indeed, I have no time for such stupidity and I am glad that Ali Sina garbaged this thread and did not reply to it, this is the proper reply, in the garbage, the garbage forum on FFI is like my life dismissal philosophy, but with comments and threads instead of the posters themselves

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AhmedBahgat
"they make the apostate a muslim, and they make the muslim an apostate"
What kind of statement is that? Robot needs a chip change ..write it properly...it should go like this..
"They make an apostate out of a Muslim and they make the Muslim out of an apostate"
with best wishes & happy new year
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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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yeezevee wrote:AhmedBahgat
"they make the apostate a muslim, and they make the muslim an apostate"
What kind of statement is that? Robot needs a chip change ..write it properly...it should go like this..
"They make an apostate out of a Muslim and they make the Muslim out of an apostate"
with best wishes & happy new year
yeezevee
the bottom line yekee that you got what I wanted to say, unless you want me to cheer ya?, fine

well done yekee, you speak good english

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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Brendalee wrote:This seems to be a lot of effort for what is essentially just a personal attack, Cat.
I also believe that Obama has a hidden agenda. I don't like the man either. Does this indicate that I am a Muslim/ex-Muslim? If there are non-Muslims who agree with Ali Sina's political beliefs does this mean they were influenced by Islam to believe that way? Do all ex-Muslims share Ali Sina's political beliefs? Or are you just trying to tenuously squeeze your attack into a forum which has nothing to do with Sina's political belief? This is a nonsense. You are far too intelligent to be ignorant of the fact. You are merely transferring a political grudge and forming it into a personal attack.I respect you as a poster, but I do not respect the posts you have put on this thread.
Oh you are so right about Obama, I have been working with this :heartbeat: for months. Are you aware of Orly Taitz and Phil Berg cases?
http://www.drorly.blogspot.com/
http://www.obamacrimes.com/

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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Dear all,

we do not wish for old animosities to be further fueled on the new forum. Please let it rest.

Best Wishes,
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Translation: We can’t handle the truth.
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Re: Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes: Part II

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Dear all,
we do not wish for old animosities to be further fueled on the new forum. Please let it rest.

Best Wishes,
M.
Dear 'M', if 'old animosities' aren't to be further 'fueled' on the new forum we then, logically, have to let at rest most anything FFI is dedicated to, ever since its beginning!

Or, if to be locally -consequent-, such threads (etc) belong to the Garbage Can just as well:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=206
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=274
viewtopic.php?p=2796#p2796

Ali Sina wrote:
Liberalism is a mental disease. (...) Anyone can see what I see. But those who do not want to see don't see. They made the choice. That is why I say liberalism is a mental disease. Thinking Obama is a good man is more stupid than believing in Islam. (...) Facts are out there but you don't want to know them. Yes liberalism is sickness of the mind. You stupid people will blow up the world and wil bring misery upon countless people. (...)

4- I believed homosexuality is a sin, then I believed people are born with it and now I believe it is a learned behaviour and a disorder, like overeating, obssessive compulsive disorder, etc. Anyone can get into it at any age and anyone can get out of it.

6- I was an ardent defender of democracy and now I think it is dangerous to allow foolish people decide their future.
Look who's fueling 'old animosities' while underlying, time again, the very point of this thread!
Is FFI going to be ''The Cult Of Ali Sina'' as Muslims like to say, throwing off threads like this one?

Now, what exactly is... liberalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property, and a transparent system of government. All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law. (...)

Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejects many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism. Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity. The first classical liberal state was the United States of America...
Is this a 'mental disease', a logical 'sickness' 'utterly irrational' as per Ali Sina? Is FFI endorsing such at large?

'M' holds the Hammer, here seemingly nailing 'reason' and 'logic' to prejudice & censure...
So I ask 'M' to reconsider & put this back where it belongs: The Effect Of Islam On Muslims.

If kept, this prejudiced decision will nail FFI much more than it does to this thread! So, please, do reconsider...
---''Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.''
Henry David Thoreau (1817-62).

btw, this is the very thought later to shape Gandhi's own concept of 'Ahimsa' or non-violent active opposition...

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The Cat wrote:Or, if to be locally -consequent-, such threads (etc) belong to the Garbage Can just as well:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=206
I would rather vote for soap box. But, let's be real, Obama is the new president now :devil: and there will be always threads involving him. They can hardly be all moved to the bin or soap box. :clueless:

:huh: What's wrong with this one?
That's one of Ali's threads.

Btw, re: title
Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes
It sounds like you have made up your mind and now are looking for quotes to back that up. I would change that to something like Ali Sina in quotes, that doesn't sound so prejudicial. Just my 2 cents.

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ixolite wrote:
:huh: What's wrong with this one?

1. It's a continuation of an old thread, fueling 'old animosities', just like this one.
2. It was formerly posted in the Muslims and Ex Muslims Only, not where it is now.
See: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58808
viewtopic.php?p=2796#p2796
That's one of Ali's threads.
Yes and emphasizing both issues at stake here, that's why I've written: ''Look who's fueling 'old animosities' while underlying, time again, the very point of this thread!'' See the two different measures between us?
Btw, re: title
Ali Sina's Muslimness in quotes
It sounds like you have made up your mind and now are looking for quotes to back that up. I would change that to something like Ali Sina in quotes, that doesn't sound so prejudicial. Just my 2 cents.
This thread deals with Muslims and Ex-Muslims integration to our values. It's a grounded topic to debate, if any. The real prejudice here is committed by 'M' against FFI usual openness. Would you feel that Swedenness is somehow prejudicial per se? But Ali's Muslimness is central to his thinking and all this now is a diversion to that.
viewtopic.php?p=1036#p1036
viewtopic.php?p=1426#p1426

I haven't heard of Huxley since the very day this thread has been trashed.
It might only be a coincidence, of course. I sure hope he's alright...
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The Cat wrote:
ixolite wrote:
:huh: What's wrong with this one?

1. It's a continuation of an old thread, fueling 'old animosities', just like this one.
I know the old thread. I don't see any connection, except that both OP's are based on quotes. The old version of this thread however was slowly turning into a slanging match.
viewtopic.php?p=2796#p2796
That's one of Ali's threads.
Yes and emphasizing both issues at stake here, that's why I've written: ''Look who's fueling 'old animosities' while underlying, time again, the very point of this thread!'' See the two different measures between us?
Well, since Ali is the head honcho here, he can open any thread when and whereever he wants.
Would you feel that Swedenness is somehow prejudicial per se?
That depends. If a Swede would take on a different nationality and leave his old culture behind and someone who go on and claim this person is still swedish and then start looking for evidence for it, then yes. The title sounds like a judgement before the trial, do you know what I mean?
I haven't heard of Huxley since the very day this thread has been trashed.
It might only be a coincidence, of course.
I'm sure it's a coincidence. He didn't even post here.
I sure hope he's alright...
Me too.

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The CAT says: This thread deals with Muslims and Ex-Muslims integration to our values. ..
So what are CAT's Values?? .. our values. dear "The CAT". Could you list them or a give a link??

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The Cat wrote:So I ask 'M' to reconsider & put this back where it belongs: The Effect Of Islam On Muslims.

If kept, this prejudiced decision will nail FFI much more than it does to this thread! So, please, do reconsider...
---''Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.''
Henry David Thoreau (1817-62).

btw, this is the very thought later to shape Gandhi's own concept of 'Ahimsa' or non-violent active opposition...

The Cat.
First, I must thank 'M' for having place this thread back where it belongs. I'm now relieved.
Being in the Garbage Can for a while I felt was like a political exile. But ''all is fair in love''.


Dear Yeezevee ask for a link about our values, it was already posted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property, and a transparent system of government. All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law. (...)

Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejects many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism. Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity. The first classical liberal state was the United States of America...
I fight for liberal values just like my father did in WWII against fascism, or JF Kennedy against communism.
That's also why I'm fighting Islam and all kinds of obscurantism, right here, just like you do. Freedom isn't free!
I find myself in the unwanted position to argue Ali's statements such as ''liberalism is a mental disease''. See?

Now, about your first intervention in page one. Let me wish you (and everybody) a Happy New Year. Health!
I have to salute your tremendous contributions at FFI over the years. You stand tall like a truthful lighthouse.

See you around, bye... :wink:
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ixolite wrote:
The Cat wrote:I haven't heard of Huxley since the very day this thread has been trashed.
It might only be a coincidence, of course.
I'm sure it's a coincidence. He didn't even post here.
Thing is Huxley didn't post anything since then. He registered,
made a first thread 'evolution' and that is all. So I'm worried.
I did send him a PM, which remains unanswered until now...
ixolite wrote:
The Cat wrote:I sure hope he's alright...
Me too.
Few years ago he had a skiing accident, which kept him away from writing.
I hope history isn't repeating itself and that's only a little too much of Holidays!
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AhmedBahgat wrote:What a stupid thread by confused cat.
What a clever answer out of Muslim's certainty for facts they don't even understand, like the Quran.
Ali Sina clearly takes the stand of offending Islam and here is the goon cat telling us that Ali Sina has Muslimness in his blood,
Truth is that Muslimness makes people react like goons. Remember the Danish cartoon controversy? Your tone is bullying just like Ali's, so you're rather proving my point. Thanks...
it is like the same crap many of the goons in here come with when telling me that I am an apostate while I am clearly taking the stand of defending Islam
In Islam most of Muslims are apostates according to the orthodox Wahhabees, and mushrikoons according to you. Islamic history is replete with bloodshed between factions from its very beginning until now. Your way of defending Islam would leave you stoned to death for 'gooning' in all Islamic 'paradise'.
Another clear evidence of the confusion of the goons, they make the apostate a muslim, and they make the muslim an apostate
Is this clear evidence the way the Quran is? Is it with such bad English that you intent to translate the Quran, for once, perfectly? Or is it just the personal pleasure to add from the babeling of translations we already have?
No wonder I have to create the Life Dismissal Cyber Correction Centre, to accommadate all those stupid goons, indeed, I have no time for such stupidity and I am glad that Ali Sina garbaged this thread and did not reply to it, this is the proper reply, in the garbage, the garbage forum on FFI is like my life dismissal philosophy, but with comments and threads instead of the posters themselves
You've specialized into either failures to properly answer by dismissing your opponents, or into parading long sketches showing how you're the sole pupil of your own 'mastering'. Most FFI members are now eager to appear on your 'life dismissal' list, like a proof of their sanity! Hell is merely existing for believers.

Here, -again-, you've lost! This thread is back where it belongs...
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The Cat wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:What a stupid thread by confused cat.
What a clever answer out of Muslim's certainty for facts they don't even understand, like the Quran.
Ali Sina clearly takes the stand of offending Islam and here is the goon cat telling us that Ali Sina has Muslimness in his blood,
Truth is that Muslimness makes people react like goons. Remember the Danish cartoon controversy? Your tone is bullying just like Ali's, so you're rather proving my point. Thanks...
it is like the same crap many of the goons in here come with when telling me that I am an apostate while I am clearly taking the stand of defending Islam
In Islam most of Muslims are apostates according to the orthodox Wahhabees, and mushrikoons according to you. Islamic history is replete with bloodshed between factions from its very beginning until now. Your way of defending Islam would leave you stoned to death for gooning in all Islamic 'paradise'.
Another clear evidence of the confusion of the goons, they make the apostate a muslim, and they make the muslim an apostate
Is this clear evidence the way the Quran is? Is it with such bad English that you intent to translate the Quran, for once, perfectly? Or is it just the personal pleasure to add from the babeling of translations we already have?
No wonder I have to create the Life Dismissal Cyber Correction Centre, to accommodate all those stupid goons, indeed, I have no time for such stupidity and I am glad that Ali Sina garbaged this thread and did not reply to it, this is the proper reply, in the garbage, the garbage forum on FFI is like my life dismissal philosophy, but with comments and threads instead of the posters themselves
You've specialized into either failures to properly answer by dismissing your opponents, or into parading long sketches showing how you're the sole pupil of your own 'mastering'. Most FFI members are now eager to appear on your 'life dismissal' list, like a proof on their sanity!

Here, -again-, you've lost! This thread is back where it belongs...
Pussy Cat

I really don't care where the thread is, you are still dumb as dumber if you call the clear enemy of Islam Ali Sina to have Muslimness inside him, possibly what he has may be related more to the highly disadvataged Iranian people under their stupid governments

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