Why Jews Are So smart?

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Muslim intelligentsia were welcomed with open arms by the Assamese regents in medieval periods.And as of now Muslims have displaced locals in many districts of that state in North Eastern part of India even though it lived almost lived free of Islamic rule in medieval periods.So even if Jews are smart,I think one has to be a little careful with welcoming them to their lands with open arms.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Now if the Jews are really so confident that they are the smartest people on earth,why don't they give up hereditary privileges and private property and instead go for socialism?You will anyway triumph in life with thumbs up , don't you,due to your smart genes?What is the need for all of those memory enhancing substances etc that you get to buy with your riches etc?Just getting nobel prizes is not sufficient enough to show that Jews alone are the smartest people on earth.If that had been the case,why is it that all the Renaissance era scientists whose inventions are the base of today's West's military superiority described only Greek and Latin as languages fit enough for scientific vocabulary and not Hebrew?Even today extensive scientific vocabulary and doctor's manuals only use Greek and Latin words and not Hebrew words.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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And why are the Jews so smart.The answer could somewhat lie in them leaving behind the shackles of mind numbing effects of religion.Winston Churchill said that the Jews have stopped being believing Jews due to them being severely persecuted in Russia etc in pogroms.Similarly the East Asians aka the Chinese , Japanese etc are quite intelligent as on today as they too have mostly stopped believing in religion that numbs their brains due to the cultural revolution,WW-II,cold war effects etc.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Nosuperstition wrote:Now if the Jews are really so confident that they are the smartest people on earth,why don't they give up hereditary privileges and private property and instead go for socialism?You will anyway triumph in life with thumbs up , don't you,due to your smart genes?What is the need for all of those memory enhancing substances etc that you get to buy with your riches etc?Just getting Nobel prizes is not sufficient enough to show that Jews alone are the smartest people on earth.If that had been the case,why is it that all the Renaissance era scientists whose inventions are the base of today's West's military superiority described only Greek and Latin as languages fit enough for scientific vocabulary and not Hebrew?Even today extensive scientific vocabulary and doctor's manuals only use Greek and Latin words and not Hebrew words.
As I pointed out on my original post. It is not the Jews themselves who claim it - rather non-Jews are the one say it.
Had it not been the destruction of Jews 2nd Temple in Jerusalem & their expulsion from their country (Today's Israel) - they could very well contribute to the advancement of humanities & science.

As result, the Hebrew language was dead for almost 1900, and was revived & further enriched only 90 years ego by one scholar named Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.

Beside, Nobel prize is one classic indicator to that effect. Per Capita more Jews have won that prestigious prize then any other similar group. Therefore that could indicted that overall Jewish philosophy of life yield better outcome for humanities then many others.

Another example is State of Israel compared to its neighboring states. All were established more-less during the same period (1920-1948). Yet with its diverse society where most are immigrants have managed to create a state with better economy, education & overall better standard of living then its more homogeneous states.

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Christians and Muslims were forbidden from resorting to usury upon their fellow religious men which is considered leeching.Jews on the other hand were specifically asked in the O.T to live by lending out to other nations.Now that made them rich once they were allowed to become rich post Renaissance and being enriched,it is only natural that you will comprise the cream that will form the intelligentsia.

Before reformation,Jews were not allowed to accumulate money as per what Baba Saheb Ambedkar said.The same thing was stated by our resident Catholic forum member pilgrim when he sarcastically said in the old forum that Jews have become too smart post Renaissance.

B.R.Ambedkar said that the Jews were the untouchables of Europe.The same got confirmed to me when I have read in the old forum about how if ever a Jew even by accident touched the sacred communion wine or something of Christians during Christian festivities or holy days = holidays,it resulted in them being rioted against,due to ritual purity being defiled.

And Jews just like any other ethnic group had that closely related blood bond called nepotism that helped them in their success story.It only got strengthened immensely post WW-II when almost a half of all the Jews were killed in the holocaust which resulted in the Jews yelling aloud 'never again' and with even victorious ones sympathizing with their plight in WW-II and helping them with generous paychecks.

Also the Nobel peace prizes are sometimes given for notoriously political purposes rather than for genuine reasons.May be the same goes in case of other Nobel prizes.

And the success story of the state of Israel is also due to expatriate Jews of rich Western countries generously lending a helping hand in addition to the cash rich Western governments themselves lending them a helping hand both due to holocaust associated guilt as well as need to keep black gold or oil rich Gulf nations under check by showing them their place.

Also a tiny piece of land can be easily developed when compared with a juggernaut.That explains why the massive Arab nations lagged behind so much when compared with the state of Israel.Tiny Hongkong,Japan and Singapore all were so successful for this reason while Juggernauts of China and India lagged behind a lot with regards to per capita income for this reason even though genetically they were all more or less the same.
As result, the Hebrew language was dead for almost 1900, and was revived & further enriched only 90 years ego by one scholar named Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.
Arabic and Hebrew are cousin languages.An article that was written in Enlish by a supposedly Pakistani origin author has it that even before Muhammed came into being,Arabic evolved as a very sophisticated language.Is that true?If so, then it is indeed possible that Hebrew too was once upon a time a very sophisticated language.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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"usury" is a strong word for ordinaly lending practices. charging just-n-fair interest on loans to others has become the bedrock & the driving engine for modern economies. so why put all the onus on the Jews is somewhat puzzling. Charging interest is exactly like renting any other assets - real estate, or equipment. Money is considered just another such commodity where you charge others for using your money.

Since Jews - wherever they lived, they were prohibited from holding government jobs and restricted the type of professions they were allowed to hold - as you articulated they did whatever they needed to survive. Engage in money-exchange or money-lending was one of them, from which they lived from the interest they had to charge for using their money.

I speak fluent Hebrew & understand Arabic. Except few words here & there, there little resemblance between modern Hebrew & Arabic. One example. Arabic alpha-bet the latter P does not exist. The very reason they pronounce "People" often you hear "Bee-bol"

Israel tiny size to explain its advancement. Not sure I agree to it. It has lot to do with society motivation, philosophy of life with "can-do" attitude & willingness to world hard to achieve its goal of creating better life for everyone - not just few privileged ones.

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I speak fluent Hebrew & understand Arabic. Except few words here & there, there little resemblance between modern Hebrew & Arabic. One example. Arabic alpha-bet the latter P does not exist. The very reason they pronounce "People" often you hear "Bee-bol"
I have no immediate answer for the other points raised by you.However,both Hebrew and Arabic are classified under the same Semitic language group.Perhaps a comparative analysis of nouns,pronouns,verbs,adverbs,adjectives,conjunctions and interjections in both these languages might throw up a lot of similarities.

And in one of Shakespeare's works of medieval periods,Jewish character named Shylock who lived by money-lending was shown to be akin to those who fleece others' flesh.Why Jews got such a bad reputation ,one can only know by going back in the time machine.
work hard etc
Law of conservation of mass or law of conservation of energy state that if there is increase in one form of any of the afore mentioned ones,there will be a decrease in another form ,but the net remains the same.So how exactly can one expect to give more than what they have?Efficiency is determined in science in the form of net outputs for net inputs.So the amount of input also matters.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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Since Jews - wherever they lived, they were prohibited from holding government jobs and restricted the type of professions they were allowed to hold - as you articulated they did whatever they needed to survive. Engage in money-exchange or money-lending was one of them, from which they lived from the interest they had to charge for using their money.
Jews were also employed as cobblers,tanners etc in medieval Christendom,jobs that were considered rather unclean.
palli or halli in Dravidian languages means a village just like gaav in Aryan languages means a village.palli or halli in Aryan Mauryan Imperial era around 200 B.C designates a tribal hamlet.So many of those in South India are indeed descendants of tribals and are still keeping up that heritage.

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